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Renee M (2 July 2013)
"jfh (1 July 2013) "To: Renee and all Re: Two Witnesses""



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Hi jfh,


Thank you for all of your kind words. First of all, I want to say that I have not posted on Fivedoves for quite awhile and someone else has been posting in my name. Fortunately, they are sending information from my website, so I have to say that I am in agreement with what is being posted and happy to respond.


I am not completely certain who the 2 witnesses are in Rev 11, but I believe that what I have written on my website concerning them is the correct interpretation of those verses. But only the Lord knows for certain. http://jesusiscoming2016.webs.com/thetwowitnesses.htm


One of my biggest concerns is that if I am correct, and the Rapture does take place this fall, and the Great Tribulation is shortened to 3 years in length to fulfill the 9th plague (3 days of darkness), that many people who are left behind will not believe that it is actually the final 3 years because they do not see 2 old men hanging out in Jerusalem wearing sackcloth, blowing fire out of their mouths. I believe this is going to be a MAJOR distraction for Christians left behind who interpret Revelation 11 to mean that 2 people will be in Israel blowing fire out of their mouths and wearing sackcloth for the 1260 day Tribulation period.

And why is it important that they know that the Great Tribulation does not last for 7 years? Well, if I were left behind, I think I would like to know that I only had to endure what was happening for 3 years and not 7.

Psalm 90:12 - Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.

If what I have written on my website and in my videos is going to make a major difference after the Rapture, then the Church needs to understand where they are at on God's timeline and how much time they have left. And if they do not see 2 prophets in Israel, most are not going to believe they can be in the final half of the 7 years, because they obviously did not show up during the first half. I foresee these verses in Rev 11 being a major stumbling block for those who are only willing to take these verses literally and not symbolically and therefore I felt that it was important to share on my website who I believe these 2 witnesses are and what they represent.

I actually hope I'm wrong and that 2 men do appear in sackcloth and go around blowing fire out of their mouths! That would be an awesome sign from the Lord, wouldn't it?!?! The problem is that in Christ's first coming, so many who were watching for the Messiah missed him because they thought they had it all figured out and He was so much different than what they were expecting, and yet fulfilled every prophecy about Him. Revelation is not an easy book to understand and it takes "revelation" from the Lord to interpret many of these symbolic things that are found throughout the book, as well as allowing Scripture to interpret other Scripture. We must keep an open mind and allow God to do things differently than what we expect or have been told, because that's the way He likes to do things.

There are many foreshadows in the Bible that are examples for us of things to come. It is possible that Jesus and John the Baptist were foreshadowing the 2 witnesses because of their ministries lasting for 3 1/2 years and they were both killed. Obviously, Moses and Elijah are foreshadowing these 2 witnesses as well because they were the 2 who turned water into blood and shut the sky so that it did not rain, the 2 specific things that are mentioned about the 2 witnesses.

There are so many different ideas about who these 2 witnesses are, and God knows for certain who they are. My main concern is that we keep an open mind and not be dogmatic about who these 2 witnesses are and if they don't appear in the way we expect them to, that does not mean that they are not there and that the prophecies are not being fulfilled.


Blessings,


Renee


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Renee M,



I believe these two witnesses are John the Baptist and Jesus. There are many witnesses today, and since Pentecost. That is what all believers are commanded to do. [Mark 16:15-20] Their ministry was ca. 3.5 years or 1260 days. [1260 ÷ 3.5 years = 360 prophetic years]



Rev. 11:3 “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.



Zech. 4:12 [KJV] “What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?”

I believe these two witnesses are John and Jesus. They were both filled with the Holy Spirit: John was filled from his mother’s womb, and, of course, Jesus was the Holy Spirit [Emmanuel or God with us]. God is a spirit.

They both gave their lives: John was beheaded and Jesus was crucified. Oil represents the Holy Spirit. So they spilled out their golden oil for us. The Messenger and the Message performed their task almost 2,000 years ago. All we have to do is repent, receive and believe: and watch for His 2nd coming.


May God bless you and all in your needs and desires, jfh

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The 70th Week of Daniel Delusion
by Steve Wohlberg




A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. — Mark Twain ( 1835-1910 )




Christians often debate about whether Jesus Christ will return for His Church before the seven years of tribulation (the “pre-trib” view), in the middle of the seven years (the “mid-trib” view), or at the end of the seven years (the “post-trib” view). Yet by far the most important question worth asking is: Does the Bible really predict a future “seven-year period of tribulation” in the first place?

Shockingly, there is no specific Bible text predicting any seven-year tribulation. The entire theory is based on an interpretation of one primary verse, Daniel 9:27, which says:


He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease… (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

Modern interpreters often conclude:
1.“He” is the Antichrist
2.Antichrist will make a treaty with the Jews for “one week” (the last “week” of the 70-week/490-year prophecy)–meaning seven years of Tribulation.
3.In the middle of the Tribulation, Antichrist will cause the sacrifices of a rebuilt Jewish temple “to cease.”

Thus Daniel 9:27 is applied to Antichrist, a seven-year Tribulation, and a rebuilt Jewish temple–yet the verse itself says none of this. The fact is that countless credible Bible scholars of the past applied Daniel 9:27 to Jesus Christ, not antichrist.

Matthew Henry’s commentary on Daniel 9:27 states, “By offering himself a sacrifice once and for all, he [Jesus], shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.” (1). British Methodist Adam Clarke’s commentary says that during Daniel 9:27’s “term of seven years,” Jesus Himself would “confirm or ratify the new covenant with mankind.”(2). The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown commentary also says: “He shall confirm the covenant—Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him.” (3).



The following ten points provide solid evidence that Daniel’s 70th week doesn’t refer to any future Tribulation at all. Rather, it was fulfilled nearly two thousand years ago.



1.The prophecy of “seventy weeks” means seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (Genesis 15:13), etc.

2.The 70th week follows immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!

3.It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?

4.Daniel 9:27 says nothing about any “tribulation,” “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or “antichrist.” Zero.

5.Daniel 9:24-27’s focus is the Messiah. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ’s death), “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” This refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. (4)

6.“He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ” (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers” (Romans 15:8). The word “covenant” is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not antichrist.

7.“He shall confirm the covenant with many.” Jesus said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28). Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.

8.“In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice…to cease.” After 3 ½ years of ministry, Jesus Christ’s death put an end to all sacrifices in God’s sight. He is the final Sacrifice!

9.“For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate” (Daniel 9:27, KJV). It was abominable for the Jewish leaders to put God’s Son to death. This ended their temple. Jesus predicted, “Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38 ).

10.The 70 weeks applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). Christ’s public ministry lasted 3 ½ years during which His focus was “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 ½ years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). When the Jewish Sanhedrin stoned Stephen in 34 AD (see Acts 7), the gospel shifted to the Gentiles (see Acts 13:46)–exactly as prophecy predicted.

The evidence is overwhelming! These eight words found in Daniel 9:27: “confirm… covenant… many… midst… sacrifice… cease… abominations… desolate” all find perfect fulfillment in Jesus Christ and early Christian history. One major reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its scholars misinterpreted Daniel 9:27. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the predicted One who would die in the midst of the 70th week! The same thing is happening today as Christian scholars misapply the same prophecy.

The “seven-year tribulation theory” is like a gigantic bubble. Once Daniel 9:27 is correctly understood and the pin of truth inserted, “Pop goes the seven years!” It’s a fact: There is no Bible text that teaches any “seven-year tribulation.” If you hunt for it, you’ll end up like Ponce de Leon searching for the Fountain of Youth. He never found it.

Jesus Christ confirmed the covenant and caused the sacrifices “to cease.”

May error cease in our minds as we follow God’s truth[/color=red].

Endnotes:
1. Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible, Vol. IV—Isaiah to Malachi, Complete Edition, (New York, NY: Fleming H. Revell Co., 1712) 1094-1095, notes on Daniel 9:27.
2.The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes by Adam Clarke, Vol. IV—Isaiah to Malachi, (New York, NY: Abingdon-Cokesbury, written about 1825) 602, notes on Daniel 9:27.
3.Rev. Robert Jamieson, Rev. A.R. Fausset, and Rev. David Brown, A Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Complete Edition, (Hartford, CT: S.S. Scranton Company: 1871) 641, notes on Daniel 9:27.
4.See notes on Daniel 9:26 in commentaries by Matthew Henry (p.1095), Adam Clarke (p.603), and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown (p.641 ).

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Greetings everyone,
This is a good study Steven and an eye opener about the interpretation of Daniel 9:27. The contrast is so huge it boggles the mind: the he is either Jesus or the anti-Christ. It does however seem plausible that it is Jesus and His ministry fulfilled the first 3 1/2 years, and He confirmed the covenant with many by His death, and this stopped the sacrifice and oblation for 2000 plus years so far by being the final and only real Sacrifice. Really all that matters is that we draw as close to Him as we can, ( stay in a perpetual state of repentance, read The Word daily, Pray continuously and watch ) because it is the last days and everyone knows that.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Agape
Charles Holler Sr

Hi Charles....Yes, it is a great study, and it is well worth understanding it. Jesus did "confirm the covenant" on the Cross of Calvary. We are told that He did in Galatians 3:17. It's no longer "guesswork" because God has already told us about it.

And he also told us that the "abomination of desolation" (destruction of the temple in Jerusalem) would happen in the same generation in which His disciples and Apostles lived. And it happened exactly the way He said it would happen in 70 AD when the Jews had to be dispersed or be killed...and many were. The Jewish temple was destroyed when God began His building of the REAL "temple of God"....US!

Now is the time for the WHOLE "body of Christ" to see the truth and spread the Gospel of salvation to anyone whom God puts into their path. The Jews are also God's precious people, and they need salvation just like everyone else....as so the Muslims, and the Buddhists, and ANYONE who does not yet know that salvation is through Jesus Christ, our Lord.

II Corinthians 6:2..."...behold, NOW is the day of salvation."

And, as it was said by Paul back then, so is it NOW....salvation is to EVERYONE. And it's up to ALL OF US to support and love each other so that we can spend our time and energy on reaching the rest of the world as well.

Why spend all our energy and time on looking for something that will never come? We have to support, help, and love each other...and spend our time wisely. None of us are promised any longer than today, anyway.

Great posting....and great comment!

Arlene