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I've been posting on the Haredim, pointing out their place in the end-times. For me, it's easy to see who fulfills the 144,000.

Mr. Bill Perkins of www.compass.org knows who they are as well.

And he says America is found in the same place that I say in the book of Revelation, the nation the Apostle John sees destroyed.



I've called Haredi the 'trip-wire' that brings down Netanyahu's coalition.

A tripwire is a passive triggering mechanism. Typically, a wire or cord is attached to some device for detecting or reacting to physical movement. And alternatively, a tug on a trip wire (or release of tension on it) will detonate an explosive.

Mr. Bill Perkins has understood who they are longer than I have-

April 6th,2011

Who are the 144,000?



One of the most overlooked characteristics of the future seven-year Tribulation period is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be preached to the entire world. People are given the stark choice to follow Jesus or Satan. All through the book of Revelation we see the Gospel being preached to the whole world.

The Bible describes the Tribulation as an intense evangelistic period in and among the catastrophic judgments by God. And the astonishing purveyors of the Gospel will be none other than Jews!

144,000 Jews will be given instant Holy Spirit illumination--12,000 from each of the 12 Jewish tribes (Rev. 7:4 ). They are singers (Rev 14:3 ). But more interestingly these Jewish men are also unmarried virgins! (Rev.14:4 ) So if we are living in the last days, let’s say between two seconds and 20 years prior to Rapture, who are these 144,000 Jewish male virgins, and where do they come from?

Today in Israel about 80% of the population consider themselves as “Secular” Jews. In talking to scores of secular Jewish people on our trips to Israel, I found that they usually observe Passover and Day of Atonement. But for the most part, they don’t go to synagogue on Shabbat (Saturday) and don’t know what to think about the miracles of the Old Testament. And prior to marriage, dating is similar to non-Believers in the U.S.A., with most having sex prior to marriage.

There are some who consider themselves as “Orthodox” Jews. They will wear the Yakima (sometimes referred to as “kippah,” [the cap]) to keep something between them and God. They believe the Bible is the Word of God, go to synagogue on Shabbat, and of course, celebrate the seven Jewish feasts. But they dress normally, have no problem with using birth control, serve in the army, and work for a living. They also support the State of Israel.

There is a third group, a most curious oddity, referred to as the “Ultra- Orthodox” Jews, or Haredi (ÁŽ¯Õ“¦È inHebrew (means“one who trembles in awe of God” . Oh my gosh, they are asight to see. Numbering about 1.3 million(800,000 in Israel), the men all dressin black suits with white shirts and a hat. The type of hat worn depends on the particular order to which they belong, the largest group of them live in Jerusalem. They vote as a block, sort of like a third party, and it’s almost impossible to get a ruling majority in Israel without including them . . . so they take advantage of this and demand a steep political price, getting pretty much what they want. So the Haredi have exemptions from serving in the military as long as they don’t work. And most receive a small stipend from the government.

For men in Israel, military service is mandatory. Active duty is from age 18 to 21 and then you are in the reserves until age 55. So for Haredi to keep their military exemptions, over half of them simply don’t work. Rather, they just study the Old Testament and the ancient Jewish commentaries in schools called “yeshivas.” Let me repeat that for emphasis, Haredi spend their entire lives studying religious texts full-time. Understandably, some 60% are considered under the poverty level. Haredi are very, very conservative as they try to keep the Old Testament Law, word for word, all 613 Jewish Laws! These guys are amazing. For instance, on Shabbat, they can’t do any work whatsoever. They tear up their toilet paper the day before in a little pile next to the toilet so they don’t have to do work (tearing toilet paper) on Shabbat. Nor do they make or receive phone calls, drive a car, or do anything that could be considered work. Most all the hotels in Israel have a specially designated elevator to use on Shabbat. It goes up and down all day automatically stopping at each floor. That way the Haredi can use the elevator without pushing buttons—which would be considered “work.” The wives cook all the food for Shabbat the day before.

Young, marriage-age Haredi do not date. Rather, eligible guys and girls meet for coffee or coke at a public place. We often see couples in hotel restaurants or lobbies. They spend hours talking but would never do anything close to kissing, much less hopping in the sack together.

Which brings us back to the 144,000 male Jewish virgins. There are approximately 150,000 unmarried ultra- Orthodox Jews in the world between the ages of 18 and 35, the only group of Jewish men who can fulfill the prophecy.

Bill Perkins

Executive Director of Compass International www.compass.org



God Bless,

gail

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Wow! So much to say and so little space and time....but....(can't resist)

This is so absolutely "dispensationalist" that a blind man could "see" it, and all this comes from Scofield and his Occultists and Zionists. Read their history and find out for yourself.

"144,000 Jews will be given instant spiritual illumination".....Scripture and verse on that one, please!

"They are singers."....And what does this have to do with ANYTHING about salvation of the end-times. Are they "Jewish" singers? The Bible doesn't tell us much except they are the "redeemed". And, from what I understand, CHRISTIANS are redeemed...but Jews aren't UNTIL they become Christians. Did they witness to themselves in order to become "redeemed"?

"These Jewish men are unmarried virgins"....Figure the odds on this one! I thought that only Roman Catholic priests were "unmarried, and (supposedly) "virgins". There is no commandment from God to EVER remain a "virgin" by not having sex. "Virgins", in the Bible, are ones who have not fallen for wrong doctrines. They have remained "faithful" to Jesus Christ.....not likely for "Jews", as their religion commands them to deny Jesus Christ. And their Talmud says vicious things about our Lord.

Men will be men...and boys will be boys! And where there are girls, or women, within a couple of mile radius (or even more), they will find a way to "do it"....one way or another. Human nature is not any different for Jewish boys as they are to Christian boys. Having a "bout in the hay" is not a "salvation point" with our Lord Jesus Christ....belief in our Lord IS....and Jews are sorely lacking in this aspect. So, even a Jewish man who has never had sex with a woman, but he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ (God of the Bible)...then he is NOT considered a "virgin" in God's eyes.

And God turned away from the Jews back in 70AD...destroyed their temple, and sent them scattering. And today, there is NO WAY of knowing who is a "spiritual" Jew (Romans 2:29)...or NOT. And God is not the least bit involved with people of any "religion" who hates Jesus Christ, and this included present-day Jews.

Besides, there is not even the most brief mention of "7 years" of anything in the Book of Revelation. And if you are talking about "the 70th week of Daniel" (Daniel 9:24-27)...that was already fulfilled with the destruction of the temple (abomination of desolation) BEFORE the dispersion of the Jews. God was "fed up" with them then....and God doesn't change.

But, there will come a time when "EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord"....Romans 14:11....EVEN THE JEWS!

Arlene

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The 70th Week of Daniel Delusion
by Steve Wohlberg




A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. — Mark Twain ( 1835-1910 )




Christians often debate about whether Jesus Christ will return for His Church before the seven years of tribulation (the “pre-trib” view), in the middle of the seven years (the “mid-trib” view), or at the end of the seven years (the “post-trib” view). Yet by far the most important question worth asking is: Does the Bible really predict a future “seven-year period of tribulation” in the first place?

Shockingly, there is no specific Bible text predicting any seven-year tribulation. The entire theory is based on an interpretation of one primary verse, Daniel 9:27, which says:


He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease… (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

Modern interpreters often conclude:
1.“He” is the Antichrist
2.Antichrist will make a treaty with the Jews for “one week” (the last “week” of the 70-week/490-year prophecy)–meaning seven years of Tribulation.
3.In the middle of the Tribulation, Antichrist will cause the sacrifices of a rebuilt Jewish temple “to cease.”

Thus Daniel 9:27 is applied to Antichrist, a seven-year Tribulation, and a rebuilt Jewish temple–yet the verse itself says none of this. The fact is that countless credible Bible scholars of the past applied Daniel 9:27 to Jesus Christ, not antichrist.

Matthew Henry’s commentary on Daniel 9:27 states, “By offering himself a sacrifice once and for all, he [Jesus], shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.” (1). British Methodist Adam Clarke’s commentary says that during Daniel 9:27’s “term of seven years,” Jesus Himself would “confirm or ratify the new covenant with mankind.”(2). The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown commentary also says: “He shall confirm the covenant—Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him.” (3).



The following ten points provide solid evidence that Daniel’s 70th week doesn’t refer to any future Tribulation at all. Rather, it was fulfilled nearly two thousand years ago.



1.The prophecy of “seventy weeks” means seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (Genesis 15:13), etc.

2.The 70th week follows immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!

3.It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?

4.Daniel 9:27 says nothing about any “tribulation,” “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or “antichrist.” Zero.

5.Daniel 9:24-27’s focus is the Messiah. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ’s death), “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” This refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. (4)

6.“He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ” (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers” (Romans 15:8). The word “covenant” is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not antichrist.

7.“He shall confirm the covenant with many.” Jesus said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28). Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.

8.“In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice…to cease.” After 3 ½ years of ministry, Jesus Christ’s death put an end to all sacrifices in God’s sight. He is the final Sacrifice!

9.“For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate” (Daniel 9:27, KJV). It was abominable for the Jewish leaders to put God’s Son to death. This ended their temple. Jesus predicted, “Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38 ).

10.The 70 weeks applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). Christ’s public ministry lasted 3 ½ years during which His focus was “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 ½ years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). When the Jewish Sanhedrin stoned Stephen in 34 AD (see Acts 7), the gospel shifted to the Gentiles (see Acts 13:46)–exactly as prophecy predicted.

The evidence is overwhelming! These eight words found in Daniel 9:27: “confirm… covenant… many… midst… sacrifice… cease… abominations… desolate” all find perfect fulfillment in Jesus Christ and early Christian history. One major reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its scholars misinterpreted Daniel 9:27. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the predicted One who would die in the midst of the 70th week! The same thing is happening today as Christian scholars misapply the same prophecy.

The “seven-year tribulation theory” is like a gigantic bubble. Once Daniel 9:27 is correctly understood and the pin of truth inserted, “Pop goes the seven years!” It’s a fact: There is no Bible text that teaches any “seven-year tribulation.” If you hunt for it, you’ll end up like Ponce de Leon searching for the Fountain of Youth. He never found it.

Jesus Christ confirmed the covenant and caused the sacrifices “to cease.”

May error cease in our minds as we follow God’s truth[/color=red].

Endnotes:
1. Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible, Vol. IV—Isaiah to Malachi, Complete Edition, (New York, NY: Fleming H. Revell Co., 1712) 1094-1095, notes on Daniel 9:27.
2.The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes by Adam Clarke, Vol. IV—Isaiah to Malachi, (New York, NY: Abingdon-Cokesbury, written about 1825) 602, notes on Daniel 9:27.
3.Rev. Robert Jamieson, Rev. A.R. Fausset, and Rev. David Brown, A Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Complete Edition, (Hartford, CT: S.S. Scranton Company: 1871) 641, notes on Daniel 9:27.
4.See notes on Daniel 9:26 in commentaries by Matthew Henry (p.1095), Adam Clarke (p.603), and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown (p.641 ).

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ARLENE WROTE:

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Sometimes God takes a long time to answer questions. And He hides things in ways that are difficult to "dig through" for the "nuggets of gold" waiting for those who don't give up.

I asked a question of God a long time ago, but today He showed me the answer I needed.

In Revelation 21:17, there is a very "curious" statement. Nobody has ever answered it (to my satisfaction, which has to pass extremely rigid tests to fit ALL of Scripture). This verse is "And he measured the wall thereof, and hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to the MEASURE OF A MAN, THAT IS, OF THE ANGEL."

I needed PROOF that New Jerusalem refers to the CHURCH, or "body of Christ"...and it can refer to nothing else. The "144" is the "measurement" (or number of) the COMPLETED New Jerusalem. And it is according to the MEASURE (number) of the "body" (Christians) of JESUS CHRIST (the "MAN" who is also "God" and who was seen as an "ANGEL" by Abraham and others in the OT).

He (Jesus Christ) is also the "ANGEL" in Revelation 20:1 who has the KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. Only Jesus Christ has the "KEYS" to His Kingdom, and NOWHERE in Scripture does He give these "keys" to anyone else. So this "angel" from heaven is actually Jesus Christ Who sets all these events in motion. Jesus Christ is the "Son of MAN" as well as the "Son of God"...John 3:13. The "Head" is now joined to the "body" of Christ, according to the vision of New Jerusalem. The number "144" (12 X 12 = 144 X 1000 = 144,000) is the SYMBOLIC NUMBER OF ALL WHO ARE "IN" JESUS CHRIST.


An "angel" is simply the name for a "messenger" sent by God. And Jesus Christ came to give His message from God the Father. In the Bible, He is called a "witness" (Rev.1:5) as well as an "angel" (messenger).

The number "12" is symbolic of the government of God.


The "1000" is the highest number, symbolically, that is possible. All who are saved, at that time, are included in the 144,000 at the end. The 144,000 in Rev. chapter 7 are ALL those saved who are "sealed" by God and do not endure the torments that others will have to endure in testing and trial (tribulation). They will "witness" the Gospel of Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit throughout the world....because they will come out of ALL NATIONS, AND PEOPLES, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD....the "redeemed" of the earth (Rev.14:3) These are all the "Israel of God"....Galatians 6:16.

In Matthew 16:19, Jesus told Peter that the "KEYS" to the Kingdom would SOME DAY (in the future) be given to those who become the "Temple" built upon the "Rock" of Jesus Christ. This "Temple" is the "body of Christ" ("know ye not that ye are the Temple of God?") which, when completed, and joined to the "Head" becomes symbolic of New Jerusalem.

DON'T FORGET THAT THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS SIGNIFIED AND ALL THE "SIGNS" MUST BE INTERPRETED AS "SPIRITUAL" REALITIES....and New Jerusalem is no different.

This even checks out according to the amazing "Bible Wheel". This is a book I have and have studied as well. It is not "perfect", but it brings out some amazing things:


http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_144.php


And today, I was not looking for this information. I had just completed commenting on who the 144,000 of Rev.7 and Rev.14 were NOT (the Jews).

I have no further question on "who are the 144,000"....God has answered my questions....all of them. And he has hidden this one very well....Proverbs 25:2.

May more eyes be opened to the truth.

Arlene

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John B (8 July2013)
"Gail....your post concerning the identity of the 144,000..... and why I disagree"



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You and Mr. Perkins may be 100% correct as to who the Jewish 144,000 first fruits will be (as per your post) but that's not the way I see it and I believe you have made your selection group for these 144,000 way too narrow.



Let me explain.......



In Matthew 24 Jesus is talking to Jews concerning the outcome of Jews in the end times. Jesus uses terminology to speak to His disciples at that time that they would understand......"buzz words" if you will.



In verse 31 Jesus said....."And He will send His angels with a great sound of the trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the earth to the other."



When Jesus made this statement the Jews of that day would have picked up on the term "four winds" and related it back to the prophecy of Ezekiel in Ezekiel 37. They.....the Jews of that day...would have known that Jesus was talking about the huge resurrection of the Jews from the "whole house of Israel" spoken of in Ezekiel 37 that God had promised would happen........... now Jesus is telling them that this will happen at the end of the age.



Remember Jesus in Matthew 24 is focused only on the Jews. He is talking to Jews about the fate of Jews.......the Christian Church was not even established yet so there was no need to include them in the discussion of Matthew 24. The focus was completely on the "whole house of Israel (Jacob).



We learn from Ezekiel 37, Joel 2 and Rev.9 that this huge resurrection consists of hundreds of millions of resurrected Jews who lived from the time of Jacob all the way until this present time.



And I believe that it is these hundreds of millions of Jews plusthe present time livings Jews (of which you spoke) that will make up the "selection pool" from which God will select His first fruits or "the cream of the crop" of His Jewish creation......the 144,000.



Out of these hundreds of millions of people that span multiple centuries God will choose 12,000 from all the 12 tribes......the pick of the litter.



I see no placein scripture that indicates that these 144,000 are evangelists that go around the whole proclaiming the gospel.



What I do see from Rev.14 is that they are the first fruits to God and the Lamb and are the personal entourage to Jesus and follow Him where ever He goes. If they follow Jesus where ever He goes, how can they be all over the planet evangelizing?



There will be God's two end time witnesses (Rev.11) who preach the gospel for 42 months around the planet and an angel who flies over earth preaching the everlasting gospel to those who dwell on planet earth. Rev.14:6



It appears to me that at the opening of the sixth seal (immediately prior to God's great wrath starting in those same verses) that there will be a hugecombined resurrection. Who is in this great resurrection?

1) The whole house of Israel (Jacob), untold millions of Jews from over the centuries

2) The dead in Christ....all those who have chosen Christ and His message as their savior from over the centuries

3) The alive in Christ....Jew and Gentile alike that have accepted Jesus and His gospel



The first thing that happens at this combined resurrection is God and the Lamb's selection of the first fruits...... the honor society of the graduatingclass of God's chosen elect........the 144,000 of all the tribes from the whole house of Israel. To honor them God puts His personal seal on their foreheads denoting the status they have achieved. Rev.7:3



The second thing that happens (in the next verses of Rev.7) is that we the alive and dead in Christ with great fanfare show up in heaven.



The third thing that happens is a delayed happening. As per Ezek.37, Rev.7, Joel 2 and Rev.9 God chooses an exceeding great "end times" army (Ezek.37:10) for Himself out of this huge Jewish resurrection. I say delayed happening because God delays the "four winds"(Ezek.37:9-10) from blowing life back into this huge army until the hour day month and year is correct (Rev.9:15). Then as per Rev.7, Rev.9:15 God instructs His four angels who have been holding back the four winds to release these four winds breathing life back into an army of two hundred million resurrected spirit beings who become God's end time army and are tasked to kill one third of the planet with fire, smoke and brimstone.



Anyone interested in the "end time" exploits or the ride (horses) of this army can read Joel 2:1-11 and Rev.9:15-19. Note verse 11 in Joel 2 where it is specifically stated that this is God's army.......His resurrected army of spirit beings who can't be killed and dispense His wrath on and kill 2+ billion people. This will happen during the period of what is called God's great wrath starting when the sixth seal is opened and lasting for an unknown period of time. Some speculate using certain scripture verses that God's portion of the end time tribulation, His personal wrath, will last one year but that the total tribulation will last 1260 days.



I guess I got a little off the 144,000 but I needed to give you the whole picture of what I believe will happen within the next few years.



Blessings........John B

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