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Bruce Warner: THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RAPTUR

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THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RAPTURE IS NEAR
BECAUSE THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS IS THE SUN TURNS DARK AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT......




"For in those days there will be great tribulation......And unless the Lord had shortened those days no flesh would be saved" Mark 13:19-20



"For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." Matt 24:28 Both the carcass and the eagles are signs in Israel that the tribulation is over.



"Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Matt 24:29 The rapture happens immediately after the great tribulation of Israel is over.


"Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." Luke 17:37 Both the body and the eagles are signs in Israel that the great tribulation is over.


"Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." Luke 21:24 The times of the Gentiles are fulfilled when the tribulation of Israel is over.


"Blood and fire and vapor of smoke." Acts 2:19 These are the signs in Israel that the great tribulation of Israel is over.


"I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, and the moon became like blood" Rev 6:12




So you see, all of the above Scriptures are given to us as the signs that the great tribulation of Israel is over, and the rapture can NOW happen.


The pre-tribbers want to re-write the Scriptures to fit their false pre-trib rapture docttrine like the progressive liberals want to re-write history to their false liking.


Go with Scripture, and you won't go wrong !




According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!


Bruce Warner, Scripturalist



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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Re: Bruce Warner: THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RA

I respectfully disagree with your conclusions.

I believe that Hal Lindsay,Dave Hunt, John Hagee are accurate in prophecy...
although i may question some non prophetic things they preach....

Re: Bruce Warner: THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RA




Hi Lewis,

Please read the articles or the videos in full before commenting.

This will greatly help everyone posting.

Be a berean and study to show yourself approved.

Thanks!

God Bless

Steven




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Steven



Re: Bruce Warner: THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RA

This was posted on another thread I think a lot of it applies here to find the truth.....


Let the HOLY SPIRIT guide you....



Hi Arlene,

I hope you don't mind me grabbing your information and post and placing it here.

I just finished reading a book by Robert Gundry ( The Church and the Tribulation ) and he said the same thing about


C. I. Scolfield. ( occultist and lotus club )

Came up with the pre tribulation notes in his version of the bible...

So, I thought I would post your comments here as well.

( I might post them on a few other threads on this site too! ( they seem to apply )




Thanks


God Bless

Steven

Note: The more I am reading and searching the more I'm finding out about the deception of the pre tribulation theory. ( based on reading and comparing to what the bible really says: my personal opinion and understanding at this time )

C. I Scolfield bible is responsible for a lot of deception and misunderstanding of the bible. ( According to many bible scholars I'm currently finding at this time )

Checkout what the anti necean fathers wrote.




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Arlene Wrote


FOR FAIR USE AND EDUCATION AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES




Today I decided to, rather than argue the point, find the "root" of the problem with Dispensational beliefs. Anyone who wants to know this can easily find it by researching C.I.Scoffield and his part in the history of the Christian church.

And, for those who want to know the truth, it is contained within this link:
(others can live on, deceiving and being deceived)


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/illuminati_exposed-part_2.htm


This is a piece of the article within the link:


In summary, fundamentalist Christians today are overtly Zionist and NOT Christian. Christian Zionism offers an uncritical endorsement of the Israeli political right and at the same time shows an inexcusable lack of compassion for the Palestinian tragedy. In doing so it has legitimised their oppression in the name of the Gospel. In practice, they reject the teaching of The Lord Jesus in the New Testament: that each of us is equally precious in the eyes of the Lord. Instead, they live in the Judaised world of the Old Testament, where a mean-spirited Yahweh played favourites with his children, giving only his “chosen” the right to commit unspeakable acts of barbarism upon others. Judeo-Christians will seemingly do anything for Israel and the Jews, whom they worship as God or God's little brother, although they would never admit it. They are only too happy to be the Jews' mind slaves, and insist we all join in their bondage. Certainly their beliefs are anti-Christian. More to the point: Zionist "Christians" are traitors to the cause of Christ. Along with Jews, they urge us to spill the blood of any who stand in the way of Israeli ambition. Essentially, Christian Zionism fails to recognise the deep-seated problems that exist between Palestinians and Israelis; it distorts the Bible and marginalizes the universal imperative of the Christian gospel; it has grave political ramifications and ultimately ignores the sentiments of the overwhelming majority of indigenous Christians. It is a situation that many believe Israel exploits to her advantage, cynically welcoming Christian Zionists as long as they remain docile and compliant with Israeli government policy. “Woe to him who builds a town with bloodshed, who establishes a city by iniquity! Behold, it is not of the Lord of hosts.." (Habakkuk 2:12,13)



THE INCREDIBLE INFLUENCE OF SCOFIELD

It is impossible to overstate the influence of this immoral conman, outright deviant and dishonest trickster, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, on twentieth-century Christian belief. Scofield has served as the primary agent by which Evangelical Christianity has become corrupted - teaching and propagating the doctrine of a Jewish New World Order for over 100 years. In fact, the Scofield Bible is so highly regarded today as THE standard Dispensational reference work in virtually all major Christian ministries and divinity schools worldwide, that even the author’s margin notes are popularly viewed as “holy writ.”



And who was Cyrus Scofield? History records that as a young con-artist in Kansas after the American Civil War, he met up with the notorious John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer who had been sent by the "Secret Six" some thirty years before to work the Abolitionist cause. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar, and procured his appointment as Federal Attorney for Kansas. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam, which led to Cyrus serving time for criminal forgery. While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the "any moment now" Rapture doctrine. Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following up his Illuminati connections in New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which was listed as his residence for the next twenty years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of the infamous Samuel Untermeier, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League. Untermeier introduced the “useful idiot” Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist big-boys, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the questionable people who financed Scofield's “research trips” to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his widely read Bible concordance. On the “Scofield Reference Bible,” John Wick Bowman says: "This book represents the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles." (Ibid., p.58

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Your choice is to keep this poison in your system or "spit it out" now! True doctrine will be taught and learned during the Tribulation. Maybe this is what the difference is between the "sealed" and the ones not sealed by God in Revelation chapter 7. The "Israel of God" is the Church (believers), contrary to the opinion of Dispensationalists. Nobody today knows if, or not, they are among that grouping. But, we should know soon.

Arlene

Re: Bruce Warner: THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL US THE 'GREAT TRIBULATION' OF ISRAEL IS OVER AND THE RA


You did well, Steven!!

I don't post anything to just "hear myself think" or just to see my own words written down. I want TRUTH to be known. Unfortunately, too many Christians obtain their doctrines from either sitting on "pews" every Sunday, or they read Bibles which are corrupt and teach false doctrine.

I know....because I've "been there, done that". And because the Holy Spirit saw fit to pull me out of that "dispensationalist" doctrine, kicking and screaming....I promised I would spend the rest of my days on this earth trying to show the truth to others.

In the past, I have even corresponded with Dr. Peter Ruckman (a "great and mighty dispensationalist believer/teacher). He once told me that he could never figure out who the "man child" was in Rev. chapter 12. He knew it was NOT a view of the past as the birth of Jesus Christ, but he couldn't seem to grasp it.

As soon as I came out of dispensationalism, and I understood who "Israel" really was, I knew IMMEDIATELY who the "man child" was! It was those in Romans 8:19...whom all of creation is waiting for. But if you believe in the Jews as the "chosen people", it is impossible to see the truth.

And I LOVE what I do now...it has given me so much peace in our Lord Jesus Christ. He put you in my path in order to do this....so whatever I post is yours to do with as you choose.

But, I think you are kind to consider my opinion on this...

Arlene