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Marilyn Agee (5 Apr 2013)
"Steve W2 (3 Apr 2013) "Barry Amundsen and RC..." PRE-TRIB RAPTURE OR ALMOST MID-TRIB RAPTURE"



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From: Marilyn Agee

Hi:


> the rapture of the Bride is pre-trib.


I used to think the Rapture was Pre-Trib, but now that we are nearing Mid-Trib, I have to be realistic.

I'm excited. I think I just found the last piece of the puzzle.

I had been subtracting the 2300 days of Dan 8:13,14 from the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015. I should have subtracted it from NISAN 1, 5776, Sat. Apr. 9, 2016, the Second Advent.

HERE IS THE CLUE

Eze 45:18 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month (i.e., Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary".

That ties in with Dan 8:13,14. It says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

According to my new figures, which I just posted on Pro and Con 1699, the Tribulation started Dec 22, 2009, the Rapture should take place May 5, 2013, Mid-Trib will be May 15, when Satan and the fallen angels are kicked out of Heaven after accusing us day and night from the day of our Rapture until he is kicked out of Heaven, i.e., from May 5 to June 4, 2013.

Rev_12:10-12 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

That short time would be the shortened Great Tribulation.

I also think Christ has been sending the Holy Fire on the Saturday before the Eastern Orthodox Easter as a sign of when he would come for us on the Ascension Day that falls on the Orthodox Easter Sunday. Ascension Day won't fall on Sunday again until 2024.

Rev 1:9-11 shows that the Rapture will be on Sunday, the Lord's Day. The second Rapture will fall on the great and terrible Day of the Lord. I think it will fall on Monday.

There are more details on my Pro and Con 1699.

Agape,
Marilyn Agee
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Barry...

You said something that is really the key. You said it is the revelation from the Holy Spirit that the rapture of the Bride is pre-trib.

For 56 years I went to a church that believed in pre-trib but I believed in post, mainly because my father believed that way and "all" the scriptures I read spoke the same to me. One day in my office it dawned on me I had never asked the Lord. So I asked Him. He didn't make me wait. He spoke so clearly pre-trib. I was flabbergasted. I opened the Bible and scripture after scripture was opened to a heart that really wanted to know. I have literally never been the same since.

The desire to be the Bride of Christ comes with a price. Complete and utter surrender and death to everything that I thought was important. Death to self doesn't come easy, but when you realize the prize and that we might be considered worthy to stand before Him, the lover of our soul, and escape that which is coming upon the earth...then everything is put into perspective.

So RC....spend the time to ask. He is utterly faithful to answer the children He so loves.

Blessings on you both.

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Barry Amundsen (6 Apr 2013)
"Marilyn Agee, I agree you have an important piece of the puzzle"

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Marilyn,



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You could be right to point out that technically we may have to say "mid-trib" now instead of "pre-trib" if indeed we are now in the first half of the trib. I honestly don't know and frankly don't care as long as our departure is soon and before the "hour of temptation which comes on all the world to try them which dwell upon the earth" (Revelation 3:10)(see below scripture as well). What I have been standing up for is the hope of being delivered before and not having to endure through the worst time in history since there was a nation and so far I don't think we have entered that period yet but that may all be part of the last half and not the first half.



It was David Flynn (now in heaven) who I think I first heard put it the way you are and he said, he guessed this made him a "mid-tribber" and he was expecting the rapture around Spring of and no later than July of 2012 (here we are one year later in that time again) and at the time I wanted him to be wrong because it was only 2008 when he said it. As time went on I began hoping he was right because we were approaching that time and then it came and went too but his premise was still very valid which you have just outlined for us again and I think you have a very important piece of this puzzle that must be acknowledged. Jonathan Kleck, I think, has also stated that God revealed to him that there is a changing of places between us and the devil and his angels, where we go up as they come down and that's about how David Flynn said it too or at least I know Jonathan Kleck saw missles coming down as we go up...



Anyway my point is that I'm not locked into a "pre-trib" stance specifically, but more accurately maybe would be to say I have the promise and confidence and hope to be delivered out of this world before the uumm... what do we call it now? Bad thing hits...



Isaiah 26:



19. Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.



We won't be inhabiting the earth while the indignation is being done to it, at least not as mortals... I can hardly wait!


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Steve W2 (6 Apr 2013)
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Hi Marilyn....

First let me say that I appreciate you so much. You writings over the years have allowed me to gain such wonderful insights. All because of a heart that desires Jesus. Thank you.

A quick comment on my view of pre-trib. The Bible never calls the last week of Jacob's troubles as being the tribulation. It does picture the build up to the great Tribulation or the first 3 1/2 years as "pain and sorrow" and "birth pangs". But "only" man has added that first 3 1/2 into the tribulation period.

As we all know Daniel's prophecy is for the Israel and not specifically the church. However....since the end is the 2nd coming and the 1000 year reign of Christ...I'd say we can piggy back off that time frame and guess when the rapture will occur. Unlike my thoughts over that last few years...I firmly believe today we can only guess (and may be close) to knowing the day but not the hour.

Sorry....went down a side trail there. I believe and this is me only, that pre-trib and mid-trib are one in the same. As others have pointed out over the years here on fivedoves, that Jesus continues being our Advocate until He no longer needs to be. When is that? When Satan is thrown out of heaven and no longer has access through the back door, so to speak, to the throne. That happens just before the Great Tribulation and at the pre 3 1/2 year mark. It's also closely associated with the brides' going home. I believe He's at the door. Only those with pure hearts will enter.

Please keep on sharing with us and filling us with all that our Lord has taught you.

Blessings on you!!! Steve W2

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I should have commented on your study when I posted earlier but old age is getting the better of me!

I've come to the conclusion that the Julian calendar (which I can't seem to figure out) is the better calendar to use when it comes to feast days. Hence your coming up with May 5th settles very well with me.

I realize that scripture trumps all but since the Lord has had me on a diet (over the last 4 years) of "repentance", my spirit seems to guide me in a greater way.

Sorry about the detour. My favorite time for us to go home would be Pentecost. I too, along with others, believe the bride is the 2 loaves of bread presented to the Father. Christ was the barley offering. Somehow I don't believe that Pentecost is yet fulfilled. And since God is a God of order....it seems reasonable to expect the conclusion of one feast before moving onto the last three. Now He may accomplish more than one at the same time but that's my two cents.

BTW, the Orthodox Easter as you said is May 5th. Ascension is June 13th and Pentecost is June 23rd.

I don't care when.....I just want to be ready. He deserves that.

Blessings.....Steve W2





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