Steven, your points are well taken. I certainly do not want to mis-represent scripture, but I too have recently thought that perhaps the Holy Place where the AC will sit at mid trib will be Jerusalem. And the sacrifice that he causes to end might well be the blood sacrifice of Christ as the true born again christans are removed from the scene (rapture) and the age of grace concludes. Otherwise, we are going to need that temple and it won't be ready by March 22nd.

As to the new pope, if he also decides to go to Jerusalem with Obama to forge peace and a new world order, then look out......we will almost certainly be on our way out of here.

Hi Rudylee,

Thanks again for posting..this site was down for maintenance so I wasn't able to respond earlier.

I still don't know if

1. Pre Tribulation Rapture is not correct

2. Mid Tribulation Rapture is not correct

3. PreWrath is not correct

4. Post Tribulation is not correct


I was only pointing out that some of the pastors who teach some of these POSITIONS do not have all the answers so we must all search the scriptures for ourselves.

The bible teaches us that the HOLY SPIRIT will teach us all things. (TRUTH)

The bible also says that the WORD of God is TRUTH.

So, to say one pastors opinion is correct or not all I ask is that you back it up with scripture.

I'm not picking on you or pastor JD Farag.....all I'm saying is can you back up what you or he says with scripture?

I KNOW I don't know everything....I continue to learn daily.

So please forgive me if I made you feel I was attacking you.

Thanks again for posting and commenting on this site.

God Bless

ybiC,

Steven

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Something else to explain as well


I post alot of things on this site....

From FIVE DOVES

Videos

Articles

commentaries etc...

I do not agree with everything posted 100% on this site ( even posts I submit )

I use them to help us THINK

Study the scriptures and to exhort, edify and encourage each other to find the TRUTH ( studying the scirptures like a berean )

This allows the IRON sharpen IRON process to take place.

One thing for sure.....I DON'T have all the answers.

When we can maturely discuss the scriptures without attacking each other but do it in LOVE then we are on the road to learning and gleaning from each other.

Thanks again for spending part of your day here to share your thoughts and comments.


ybiC,

Steven

Hey Steven......No problem. You have one of the best sites to go to for end time news and you are very tolerant of the views of others.

I was intrigued by the dates Mr. Brouton arrived at for the mid point of the tribulation, and was trying to find some "wiggle room" that might help me better understand his conclusion. I have been down the road of the "date certain" before, but like many, I am hoping Mr. Bruton's date is correct.

The prophet Daniel mentioned that as we got close to the end, that knowledge would increase........I believe that means Biblical knowledge as well, and I for one do agree that we need to keep an open mind on some long held beliefs about timing and continue to learn as we go.

Thank you again for your courtesy.

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"re: Mathman (20 Feb 2013) Obama to "confirm the covenant with many""


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re: Mathman (20 Feb 2013) Obama to "confirm the covenant with many"


Hello Mathman,




Let’s examine this "Unshakable Alliance”, with what I believe is with its rightful owner, the “Roadmap to Peace” the true ‘Covenant of Death and Hell’ of Isaiah 28:15-18.




The architect and first chief negotiator was US President Bush #43 who assigned a ‘Quartet’ that was “an alliance of nations”, that included the UN, Russia and the EU to ‘divide God’s land into a Palestinian state!




This in effect stuck its fist at Gods ‘everlasting inheritance covenant’ of 1 Chronicles 16:14-17. The ‘Roadmap to Peace’ was used to coerce Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to come up with a ‘Disengagement Plan’, which he brought to the Whitehouse on April 14, 2004. Within 14 months Israeli troops were pulling their own people out the Gush Katiff settlements in Gaza and when all was said and done, 9000+ had been evacuated.




From there it was all down hill, the Gaza strip became a terrorist haven, as rocket fire from there started raining down on Israeli towns nearby! Then a 33 day war broke out in July 2006, with Ariel Sharon having a crippling stroke on January 4, 2006 fulfilling the ‘death and hell/grave’ role.




Let’s take a look at Isaiah 28:1-4 who is speaking to the US/Ephraim at the time of the “storm of the LORD”. In a nutshell it is a warning to the President and his Senators and Representatives who sit at the head of the Washington Mall in the Capitol Dome, that the LORD has a big storm coming that will “trodden down” ALL of them.


Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine! 2 Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.


3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, SHALL BE trodden under feet:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looks upon it and sees it while yet still in his hand eats it up



In Isaiah 28:14-29 Jerusalem is warned about their “rulers from Ephraim” Netanyahu may have approved the slogan but the hard fact is their backs are against the wall! Israel’s government may expect or are hopeful that Obama will COMMIT to an “ALLIANCE OF NATIONS” for Israel’s security that will remain “unshakable”.




However it has nothing to do with Daniel 9:24-27, it is about the ‘Roadmap to Peace’ that is with ‘Death and Hell’. Think about this, if Obama is going to be trodden down by it and he is riding the ‘Black Horse’ with a pair of ‘financial’ balances in his hand, what is the name of the ‘Pale Horse’ rider who follows? Isn’t it ‘Death’ and who follows ‘Hell’!




Let’s see who is really ruling Jerusalem, they actually believe they’ll escape the ‘storm of the LORD’ and we know Billions of dollars have been spent by these elite on their underground cavernous dwellings.




Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.15 Because you have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell we are at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:




Notice back in 28:5-6 we see reference to the ‘2nd’ Exodus “as the LORD as a crown of glory and a diadem of beauty unto the remnant of His people” while in 28:16 we see the Messiah in the land and if you believe be at peace!




Now, in Isaiah 28:18-22 we get confirmation of the severity of this more than ONE DAY storm and we read the covenant with death is disannulled and the agreement with hell does not stand and YOU/proud crown wearer/President shall be trodden down by it.


In other words the ‘braggart’ words “shall not come upon us” of Isaiah 28:15 comes back and bites him and as in Daniel 11:20-22 where the “vile person” saw him get swept away by a flood, likewise we get a second witness here!




Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then YOU SHALL BE trodden down by it. 19 >From the time that it goes forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.



21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, He shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. 22 Now you therefore be not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.




Yes Mathman you are absolutely correct about the Temple, Zechariah 6:12-13 makes it clear that the ‘Branch” shall build the temple of the LORD and he shall bear the glory and sit and rule upon his throne’


Stay safe, the Ezekiel 33:6 watching one REPENT, the Kingdom of God and the authority of His Messiah is at hand.




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