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WE STARTED OUT BELIEVING IN A 7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE
BUT FOUND OVER TIME AROUND 2006 THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT SHARE A
BIBLE VERSE WHATSOEVER INDICATING A 7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE
BIBLE VERSES EVIDENCE:
While Yahusha/JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17:15 (KJV)
Yahusha/JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt. 24:29 (KJV)
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John 14:26
"the breath of life"
But the Comforter, which is "the breath of life", whom the Father will send shall teach you all things.
God is not His Name but a term. The Holy Spirit is not a person but the very Breath of the Father.
There is no Trinity. The Father, YHVH and Yahusha are One (John 10:30)
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This video is the most powerful I've ever seen against this hideous 'Pretrib' doctrine.
Then there are people that think they are 'more worthy' to escape than others and preach that mess? That only a 'certain few' escape?
Give me a break. Those people don't know what persecution and tribulation is. If they did they wouldn't be preaching that unbiblical bull.
The problem people miss is that we will escape God's wrath, but in this world we are still subject to man's wrath. I'm seeing a lot of bitterness and anger directed toward us pre tribbers and some are even calling us liars. If you want to have a discussion about the rapture, then do so in love and with an open mind. But if you are going to attack a fellow believer for believing in a pre trib rapture, then take the matter to God and seek his answer. J. R. Church, Hal Lindsey and many other scholars have presented all of the evidence we need straight from God's Word. If the tribulation is to be used to "refine" God's people, then that would have to mean that all those christians who have died will have to come back and get "purified." Don't let the devil steal your joy. We are not appointed to wrath.k
Hi Rudylee
You made some good points.
We are seeing the wrath of man.
We are not appointed to the Wrath of God.
WHEN does GOD's Wrath begin and how long is it?
Can you give some scripture to help us to understand your PRE TRIB position?
Is it a 7 year pre tribulation position?
So give us some examples of timelines between PRE Tribulation and Wrath ok?
I'm very interested to see timelines and details of how you see this all playing out.
Thank you in advance for your expected reply.
God bless
ybiC,
Steven
I have somewhat "matured" in some of my learning on the pre trib rapture, but basically still believe that when John was caught up to heaven in Revelation cpt. 4, that was also a symbol of our future rapture as well.
However, I am also interested in the concept that the rapture may also be in Revelation7:13 - 14...... And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
That also appears to line up with Daniel 12:1-4.... "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt." "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
Thus the rapture might be pre trib. But at whatever point the wrath turns from being man's wrath to being God's wrath, then that will be the time for the rapture in my opinion.
The problem I see, is that many are attacking us pre tribbers rather than having a civil discussion and looking at ALL of the facts and possibilities. I can discuss all day long, but once the attacks begin, I back off. I have heard major internet "christian" preachers and speakers get downright hostile about those who believe in the pre trib rapture.
Now, if there is no rapture, then God will provide just as he did for forty years in the wilderness. If I am killed by the persecution of man, then absent from the body, present with the Lord. I am nor afraid of what man might do to me.
But I do firmly believe that God will deliver us from His wrath when that time arrives. We will not be the ones hiding in the rocks and the caves to try and avoid His wrath.
Hi Rudylee,
Attacking pre tribbers who is doing this?
I see it both ways.....or how about ...
Pre tribbers attacking--> - Mid Tribber-PreWrath- Post Tribber?
Mid Tribbers attacking -->- Pre Tribber- PreWrath - Post Tribber?
PreWrath attacking -->- Pre Tribber- Mid Tribber - Post Tribber/NO rapture
Post Tribbers attacking--> - Pre Tribber- Mid Tribber - PreWrathers
Can you agree with the above statement to some degree?
Do you see a common thread?
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Satan has done a good job of dividing the church and people sure are quick to attack someone if you don't agree with them about a RAPTURE POSITION?
Does anyone really have it all figured out concerning the timeline or which RAPTURE position is right?
The Wrath of God when that will happen?
Does someone have it all figured out yet?
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Now something we do know though is:
As Christians we are to LOVE one another
Matt 22:35-40
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
NKJV
Deut 6:4-8
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
KJV
Thanks Rudylee, for posting and commenting on this site.
God Bless
ybiC,
Steven
Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle and others blast the pre trib rapture view. Rick Wiles went into a tirade on a recent show over the pre-trib rapture doctrine and those who hold this view. I actually stopped listening to him after the verbal assault because it was so devisive and ****ing.
I will listen to another rapture view if the person is civil and perhaps even consider it. But to be labeld as being in a cult because of the pre trib view,or being called an escapist, which has also been said, is a bit over the line.
Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle and others blast the pre trib rapture view. Rick Wiles went into a tirade on a recent show over the pre-trib rapture doctrine and those who hold this view. I actually stopped listening to him after the verbal assault because it was so devisive and ****ing.
I will listen to another rapture view if the person is civil and perhaps even consider it. But to be labeld as being in a cult because of the pre trib view,or being called an escapist, which has also been said, is a bit over the line.
Steven, I haven't watched this video yet, but the comment from Chris kind of disturbed me. Chris, why is the pre-trib rapture hideous to you? Do you desire to be tortured and killed by the Antichrist? The pre-trib rapture is very much supported by scripture, and it's the Blessed Hope for those who are born again believers in Jesus Christ. Read 1st Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1st Corinthians 15: 51-52. If those passages of scripture are not about a pre-trib rapture, then what do they describe? I'm not putting you down, but I have a hard time understanding those who think that there is no rapture of the church. The rapture is the time when those who have died in Christ will be resurrected into their incorruptible bodies, and then we who are alive will have our bodies changed into incorruptible bodies also. That's an event that I so much look forward to. I would think that every believer looks forward to seeing Jesus taking us to our real home, which is heaven. God bless!
Kevin
It's hideous because it's going to get millions of people murdered! Period.
No-one is escaping tribulation & millions of American Christians are refusing to prepare because they think they are going to teleported away and not have to face anything.
The bible clearly says they make war with the saints and overcome them! Not me, the bible.
Listen to Jesus interpreting Revelation & Daniel NOT ME!
MARK 13
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
(JESUS SAYS 'AFTER THE TRIBULATION THE SUN IS DARKENED, WE'RE STILL HERE!')
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
(FINALLY, AFTER THE SUN IS DARK HE COMES!!)
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
(AFTER TRIBULATION & DARK SUN HE SENDS HIS ANGELS TO GATHER US!)
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
(OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL HERE BECAUSE HE COMMANDS US TO WATCH FOR THESE THINGS TO PASS!!!)
(How can there be a secret 'pre-trib' rapture if Jesus says We WILL SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PASS!!!!)
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
And these pre-tribbers that argue this is 'just for the Jews' as I've heard them say is balogna, Jesus even instructs in line 37:
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch
NOT JUST THE JEWS, ALL!
Listen to Jesus, not these big evangelists preaching this nonsense. It's going to get people unnecessarily killed because they refuse to prepare. That's why we are so against it.
Wake up, tribulation is coming. No-one gets a pass.
I used to believe it to because I was FOOLED by the big name pastors & fake internet prophets. Sorry after re-reading the scripture for my own without having someone interpret it, it's VERY CLEAR.
This is nothing against you personally but it is going to cause a great 'Falling Away' of the American church when the tribulation starts and get people unncessarily killed because they refuse to prepare. Just like the video at the top of this thread shows, many will be martyred. Many in America WILL fall-away because they believe this doctrine when the going starts to get rough....
Chris,
How are you going to prepare for going through the trib, since you believe that there will be no escape from it? Revelation does make it clear that tribulation saints will be killed for not worshipping the Beast or taking his mark. How would any believer avoid death during this time? It seems that no believers except the 144,000 Jews in Israel and the Jewish remnant that are protected by God will be alive when Jesus comes victoriously to destroy the armies of the Beast at the end of the trib. It doesn't make sense that the apostle Paul tells us in 1st Thessalonians and 1st Corinthians that there will be a catching away of dead saints and those who are alive if all of us die during the trib. That's just something to think about.
Kevin
Hi Rudylee,
I have experienced from ALL rapture positions attacks personally.
It's ONE of the reasons that I started this website.
I was told in a few PRE TRIBULATIONS site that if I didn't believe in a PRE TRIBULATION rapture then I was obviously NOT a Christian and was threatened that if I posted anything that even 'remotely' was not a PRE TRIBULATION position I would be banned from the site.
Pretty funny in my opinion that I am NOT considered a Christian if I don't agree with the MODERATOR of a site.
Anyways, I try my best on this site to ALLOW ALL rapture positions.
I'm not covering all the points but I pray you understand where I'm coming from on this point.
As long as you are 'civil' and share your thoughts and opinions with "LOVE" and do your best to use scripture to back up your views then that is all we can hope for.
.....steven
Hi Kevin,
How do we expect to get through the "Tribulation"?
Excellent question.....many will not according to the bible ........
But here is a mystery......Why did God choose you?..( me or anyone else?)
It's a mystery!!!!
So how do I prepare?
By TRUSTING GOD's WILL be done ......
So, if God chooses to perserve me through the "tribulation' AMEN!
If not ......AMEN!
Not my will be done but HIS WILL be done on heaven as it is on earth.
I trust whatever happens that GOD is in control and if I die ......so be it.
If I make it through the 'tribulation' amen........
but my hope is that I can be used to share the GOSPEL and that when all is said and done that God gives me the courage to do HIS WILL.
I do not fear man or what he can do to me but I pray that my FEAR of the LORD will increase daily!..( FEAR of the LORD is to have AWE and RESPECT for HIM )
God Bless
ybiC,
Steven
I was told in a few PRE TRIBULATIONS site that if I didn't believe in a PRE TRIBULATION rapture then I was obviously NOT a Christian and was threatened that if I posted anything that even 'remotely' was not a PRE TRIBULATION position I would be banned from the site.
.....steven
Yes I've heard them call Christians demon possessed because they don't agree with the pre-trib rapture view.
They say that it is Satan talking through people that don't buy it. Very telling and certainly not from God.
BTW I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm sorry if I come off as brash.
I just think that it is very important to begin your preparations (For you and your family) for a very real tribulation. Physically & Spiritually...so you don't fall away from God.
I might not make it. I have no idea if I will be beheaded (this is a fast way to die anyway lol!). I might be one of the lucky to escape. Who knows. It's in God's hands in the end. I'm just recommending that you listen to JESUS, and not the preachers on this subject!
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King James Bible Luke 8:17
For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Proverbs 3:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Deuteronomy 29:29
King James Version (KJV)
29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
1st John 2:27
King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Amos 3:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
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Where Was Their Pre-Trib Rapture Part 1
Where Was Their Pre-Trib Rapture Part 2
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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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