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When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints


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THE LORD IS COMING WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HIS ANGELS TO RAPTURE THE SAINTS. ONE OF SATANS MOST IMPORTANT PLANS IS TO STOP THIS MARVELOUS “CATCHING AWAY” OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. It’s thrilling to consider the innumerable host of these Holy Angels visiting every cemetery in the world to secure every awakened believer in joining the flight to the Heavenly City. They will snatch up every living saint also. When this occurs the unholy angels will still occupy the heavens. It will be an unreal war in the occupied realm of the heavens as this multitude of the Godly are escorted to the Father’s presence. Defeating these unclean spirits will not be our fight but the fight for God’s Angels.

Christ’s great body of saints are an awesome company. We live in a period of history when the church has become a disrespected idea. The only crowd of church people that gets attention are the compromised. Heaven’s view of us is totally contrary to the world’s view. Apostle Paul made this clear. “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:22-24) We are God’s elect and soon to reign as kings and governors. There is no greater company of people in God’s world than the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ.

One of the greatest passages of Scripture on this exciting subject is found in the Book of Jude. The Spirit said, “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 14-15) The word “saints” in verse 14 was the word “Holy Ones” in the original Textus Receptus Greek. It means all of the Father’s “Holy Ones”, angels as well as saints. The saints will come to get their new bodies while the angels will come to escort and defend the total company of the dead and the living.

Apostle Paul spoke of “His mighty Angels” that will come with Christ on that glorious day. “Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.” (II Thessalonians 1:6-10) I believe the Lord used the term “mighty angels” because of their great task and power which will be manifest.

Jesus Christ spoke of His coming and stated that it would be in the glory of the Father and of the angels and of His own glory. “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.” (Luke 9:26) It’s very clear that the display of His Angels shall be magnificent. We shout about His first appearance when He was born but that was only a small display compared to the triumphant return to gather the Bride.

It’s impossible if you take the Bible literally, not to see the Lord coming twice, once to rapture the saints, and then to reign for a thousand years. In both instances He comes with a multitude of His Angels. The Rapture we have seen clearly in the scriptures already quoted, but the picture of His Second Coming to reign on earth is also powerful. After the tribulation, Mark describes His return to reign, “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.” (Mark 13:24-27) What marvelous glory! We all will be a part of this glory if we are raptured up before the hell on earth called the Great Tribulation.

The Angels of the Lord have many great tasks. They are ministers to the saints now but their future with Angels is beyond description. After we are escorted to the bridal chamber at the Rapture, the same Angels will proceed to clean up the heavens of Satan’s dominion. The Angels are wonderfully involved in the Seven Years of purifying this earth. The Angels will gather the Jews back to Israel after the time of Jacob’s Trouble. Jacob’s Trouble is the same period as the Great Tribulation to the world. The Host of Angels are clearly ready for their many tasks but none so important as gathering God’s chosen, both His Bride and His chosen nation.



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Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Thank you Steven, this article encourages me to endure the waiting for the coming of the Lord while doing our tasks on earth. I am longing to be home with Yahshua Our Savior forever, really just want to escape from this world. But God has the perfect timing, meanwhile let we praise and worship him.

Glory to The Lamb in Indonesian Language :)

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints



Hi Gimel,

Thanks....

I know you have very little extra time.....

If I could suggest watching these videos 1-5 take it slow and watch

as you are able

They will encourage you but also give you alot of scripture to consider.


http://tinyurl.com/JonahCode70thWeekOfDaniel


I have gotten alot of positive feedback.

If you watch them from START to Finish Video 5 will not only encourage you

but will also give you the timeline we have all been seeking.

IF the timeline is correct then we will soon be facing our CREATOR.

I pray you will INVEST the time to watch them from START to Finish.

I do know you have limited time and so I do not recommend them without believing they WILL BLESS you to watch them.


God bless

ybiC,

Steven
ps: YES I have watched them every minute of them and am starting to watch them a SECOND time to glean more.

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Hi Steven, thanks for posting Rood's videos, I have listened to the video 5 because of my curiosity.

It is interesting he said about 2017 which is match with Rabbi Ben Samuel who lived around 12th century.
Now this is very interesting, because I don't know the time of the mid of it, he didn't mention it literally but only implicity.
Did Rood imply that 2013 is the important year but where is the temple?
Or did he imply that 2014 is the important year?
My calculation is that February 2014 will be the 3.5 years OR if what Rood pointed out is March/April 2017 then 3.5 years from that time will be November 2013.
Am I correct about this? Please correct me if I listened it incorrectly.

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints



Hi Gimel,

Michael Rood does NOT say he is 100% correct but his data is very convincing....

Michael Rood divides book of Daniel into divisions

70 weeks ( seventy years )

7 x 70 ( 490 ) minus the last week ( 483 )

62 weeks

and the mist of the week

VERY IMPORTANT: MICHAEL ROOD MAKE A STRONG ARGUMENT AGAINST JESUS MINISTRY BEING 3 AND 1/2 YEARS.......

MICHAEL ROOD SAYS AND SHOWS WITH SCRIPTURE JESUS MINISTRY WAS 70 WEEKS!


Gimel I know you want me to give you the condensed version but if you will WATCH the videos MICHAEL ROOD lays it all out very well.

To answer your question the best I can is that

the Tribulation started in the FALL of 2009 and we are 70 weeks into it!

So if you believe in a PRE TRIBULATION rapture this will NOT make sense to you.

That is why I encourage EVERYONE to watch the videos and see how Michael Rood makes the case and infereneces that he share for timelines.

I think that Michael explains it very well STEP by STEP video by video.

God Bless

Keep looking UP!

ybiC,

Steven

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Thank you very much Steven.
Of course, I am not blinded just to stick with Pretrib / midtrib/prewrath. But surely one thing I could say that I am blinded to see other saviors other than Jesus Christ/Yahshua Ha Mashiach. No offense :).

Since it is hard to see the timeline predicted by Root, I googled his name and found some interesting comments "against" him. This is not to disqualify him but just for like you said sharpen each others. This is the website that comments every belief system built by Root. Note I myself didn't take into account every comments against Root as "true" but some of them or maybe few of them has some grain in it while others just blatantly not correct.

Though read with your discernment:

http://www.danielsseventyweeks.com/Prophecy_Teachers_Fact_Check/Daniels_Seventy_70_Weeks_Shavuim_Jonah_Code_Michael_Rood.html

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints



Hi Gimel,

I have come from a background of , Apologetics, Hermanuetic and defending my beliefs in the bible and scripture.

So with that being said

Everyone and anyone you can find teaching the bible will have critics,

Some deserve criticism some do not.......for example


(Pan Trib )Mark Biltz - we learned alot from his teaching but alot of people criticize hebrew roots teaching.


(Pre Trib ) Chuck Smith said we would all be raptured in 1981 etc...but as we know he was wrong. ( he is also accused of being in the masons )

Billy Graham - accused of being in the illuminati and freemasons. 32nd degree


NO ONE man ( except JESUS ) has all the TRUTH so you will always find critics.

That is why I ALWAYS RECOMMEND reading the WHOLE BIBLE ( COVER TO COVER ) with prayer and humility asking God through the HOLY SPIRIT to lead us to all TRUTH in JESUS NAME.

MY point give me a name and I will show your CRITICS......

So I also believe that we can glean ( IRON sharpen IRON ) be the teachings of different pastors etc....that is why I post so many different points of view......this site is not for robots of Pre trib.....mid trib , PreWrath or Post Trib but for those earnestly seeking dialogue and iron sharpening iron as it were.


MIKE HOGGARD

MARK BILTZ

JON COURSON

CHUCK MISSLER..etc

Not all of these men agree on every point of scripture so should we ignore everything these men teach?

Many crticisms of Michael Rood can be found on the internet but guess what?

If you watch the videos all of them 1 through 5 please tell me if you agree with the criticisms of Michael Rood or will you trust your own understanding?

I appreciate you sharing and commenting about Michael Rood I assure you I have heard and read the complaints but I can also say I have learned alot by watching this teaching.

Is Michael Rood teaching 100% accurate? ( probably not if we are honest )

God bless you for all your thoughts and comments keep them coming!!!


ybiC,

Steven

2 Tim 2:15
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
NKJV


2 Tim 3:16-4:5

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


4:1 Preach the Word


I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
NKJV

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Thank you Steven, Iron sharpens iron is always the best.

Frankly I like Root because I am one of Hebraic Root movement and I use a lot of Root's teaching in our congregation implicitly except about the end time prediction. Many Hebraic root Christians have stand NOT in pretrib but most likely midtrib or prewrath. However since the members of our congregation coming from the churches that believe the pretrib then my Rabbi / Pastor is currently avoid talking about the end time scenarios and doctrins related to it. I myself have shifted my belief about the endtime several time in the past with now standing between pretrib and midtrib/prewrath.

I think Root has some points here and worth to be grab. His endtime calculation which has layers in it I think is correct however I am really difficult to see clearly the time chart itself that he built especially to find the explanation of how we don't have anything yet important happening after 1967. Root in his video 5 explained how the intifada was born at the time frame at the end of Oslo record but he didn't proceed from there to explain why there is a long period between 2000 and the current time. How could he explain his prediction to his computation which he has explained pretty well about the first coming of Christ. That core point of explanation was not there in video 5. I hope he explained what he think should happen according to his chart and why the extension happens. As he explained somewhere in video 5, that he expected something would happen in 2000 but not then he stopped there and didn't explain anymore of what possible explanation of this new period of 17 years till 2017.
You know Steven, I really want to be raptured while we are all here in the US and that's the reason I looked into various teachings to see if one teaching of the endtime is superior to the other and has a clear time table with a strong Biblical ground. Since we have passed 2012, many of pretrib teachings are on shaky ground now because it is now really difficult to find the connection of pretrib teachings with 2017, a jubilee year from 1967. To reconcile those is really a hard job. In this view, Root has an excellent point since he arrived at 2017 calculation with his amazing calculation. However, he leaves many of us in question marks about how you could count back from the 2017? How it relates to the only 70 weeks of Jesus ministry and where is the temple in his teachings? Those are all important questions need to be addressed so that we know in that time frame what the first things we should expect as signs of his calculation of the last 7 years is correct.

Like you said, Irons sharpens iron is always the best. Only in this forum we can discuss freely about pretrib, midtrib/pre wrath and posttrib withou afraid of being abandoned. Other forums are too rigid of this rule and now losing ground for finding the right perspective looking at the endtime scenarios.

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Yes Michael Rood , he's not for everybody.

He slams the sunday pagan - sun god worship church pretty badly. (gasp)

He makes fun of church tradition we all grew up with.

He wrecks santa and easter for us. He makes alot of pastors mad because people might leave their church, (probablly will) after Michael Rood tells his tales. ..and he is Rood. rude... maybe like the prophets were when they told us what we did not want to hear...


He digs deep into the true gospel.


And you cant condense his teaching, Steven is right about that.

He has has a heart after God.

He belongs to the one we call Jesus- Yahushua.


He learned things in Israel he would never know if he had not gone there.

He tells me things I dont want to hear. ( but they are truth.)

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

quote-

Since it is hard to see the timeline predicted by Root, I googled his name and found some interesting comments "against" him. This is not to disqualify him but just for like you said sharpen each others. This is the website that comments every belief system built by Root. Note I myself didn't take into account every comments against Root as "true" but some of them or maybe few of them has some grain in it while others just blatantly not correct.

Response-

I never read those comments against him. I only listened to what he said, and

he made me mad, quite frankly.

I highly recommend him.

but it took some time to get to this point...



What we were taught first is always correct/ But maybe not.

on second thought.

Truth is always correct.

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

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"Did Rood imply that 2013 is the important year but where is the temple?
Or did he imply that 2014 is the important year?
My calculation is that February 2014 will be the 3.5 years OR if what Rood pointed out is March/April 2017 then 3.5 years from that time will be November 2013.
Am I correct about this? Please correct me if I listened it incorrectly.



I asked Gene- did Rood say we get raptured at the fall feasts?
Yes, Tabernacle.


Did Rood set a date?
No , but he has set past failed dates.


Did Rood say we get raptured at the end of the 7 year trib?
Yes, at the last trump.

Before the Bowl judgements are poured out.

( I think the last cup of judgements are bowl? ) I have to look it up.



(Oh, that is not what I want to hear.)

We are going home pretty soon is what I want to hear.

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

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Many crticisms of Michael Rood can be found on the internet but guess what?

If you watch the videos all of them 1 through 5 please tell me if you agree with the criticisms of Michael Rood or will you trust your own understanding?



I like that method, look at what the man says, not at what his critics say,

Jesus was accused harshly. But there are false teachers... so beware of wolves. What did the Bible say?

Is what we hawe have been taught, based on the Bible?

...or the doctrine of man?

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Thank you Mtnmollie, that part is not clear to me whether Root puts his believe at pretrib, midtrib or posttrib, not crystal clear.
I myself in between pretrib and prewrath, the reason is it is hard for me to believe whether the tribulation will be 7 years long or just 3.5 years and by that, different time line arises especially regarding 2017 as the pivotal year at least imho :)

Re: When The Angels Shall Gather The Saints

Your welcome Gimel.

Gene and I have a lot of his tapes, DVDS.

It is very clear (to me) that he used to teach pretrib


but now he believes that is a false doctrine.


What do I believe?

Pre- trib? Mid Trib? end of trib?

I believe the Christians in Russia went through intense suffering.
Christians still suffer today.

In America we have been blessed, but judgement is here,
with more coming. Lord help me get through today,
and please come soon. Life is becoming more and more difficult.
But its not bad yet, compared to what some Christians have endured.

God bless you and yours,