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Gino (31 Dec 2012)
"RE: Ruby: 12.29.12: FiveDoves: keeping commandments"


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Ruby,
Now that we are saved by grace, and not by the keeping of the law, which we were never able to keep anyway - we still are unable to keep the law. Thank the LORD that we are saved by grace and kept by grace. All our attempts at keeping the law were self righteous, like a Pharisee, even when we keep them on the outside, we still have a perverse relationship to the law on the inside.

The only one who ever perfectly kept the law is the same one whose law it is, the LORD. The law is a picture of the true nature of the LORD, perfectly holy, righteous, merciful, just, gracious, showing us his attributes - his law reveals to us who he really is. No man has ever been able to live up to that law, and that law has condemned all of us of coming short, and deserving of its consequences. The LORD himself, who gave the law, came in human flesh, which we remember this time of the year. When the LORD was here in the flesh he only did that which the LORD does, he was perfect, holy, righteous, merciful, and lived the law, never breaking the law, because he couldn't. He wasn't "trying" to keep the law, i.e. this one & that one & that one, etc. He was who he always is, and his law is a picture of that.

Now that we are saved, he has given to us his Holy Ghost - the same God who gave the law. When we are filled with the Holy Ghost, or when we yield to the Holy Ghost, then he his doing in us that which he always does, he does right. He can only be holy, and he only and always lives the law by nature, because it is a picture of his perfect attributes. He doesn't "try" to keep the law, it is all he does, he cannot break the law.

So if we mortify our members and yield to him, then he will do that which is right in us. Any other combo effect, has our old nature "trying" to keep the law, but driven by self righteousness, like Cain. All attempts of ours to keep the law is based in pride and will fail because it is perverse like our fallen old nature. We never need to "try" to keep the law, as that would be for our glory.

No, the only way is through humility, first admitting that we cannot, nor ever can, attain the law's righteousness. Secondly by submitting and yielding to the LORD, then he, and he alone, and not us, is the one who is doing that which is right. And since the law is really a picture of who he is, and since he is the one doing right, then by default, and not by purpose of our wills, we will be keeping the law.

I have a number of friends who are part of the SDA, and they would go insane reading this, because their ultimate heart's desire is to go the way of Cain, to be law-keepers by the sheer power of their own might and will. They desire the self righteousness and self glorification that comes at the end of the way of Cain.
Thank you,
Gino



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John 14:15 says "If ye love me, keep my commandments.

v. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever."


Comforter = Holy Spirit

Question: What is the condition of receiving the Holy Spirit?


Another "If" begins this verse:

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."


Notice how "love" in both verses is bound up with keeping the commandments.


Note the penman of John's gospel is Jesus' beloved disciple, John.


Also note in his short epistle of I John where he mentioned the word "commandment(s)" nine times; and also II John where he once more made the connection of "love" relative to the keeping of the commandments.

II John 6

"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments."


The Lord Himself wrote his commandments in Exodus 31:18 with His own finger.

Grace does not cover wilful disobedience to His commandments,

since it is clear Jesus Himself referred to them as "c-o-m-m-a-n-d-m-e-n-t-s".

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

The lawless will be spit out of his mouth .,
Mt. 7: 21

Do his will.

Rev. 14: 12
Rev. 22: 14

They were blameless...

Ezekiel 28:15 You were blameless in your ways

Psalm 119:1-88. Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according to

Luke 1:6 Both of them were upright; Zechariah and Elizabeth had God's approval. They followed all the Lord's commands and regulations perfectly.
Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly.

Genesis 7:1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.

Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the LORD and had not failed to keep any of the LORD's commands all the days of his life--except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.

Philippians 2:15 so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe.

Thessalonians 3:13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.


Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid."

Malachi 2:6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin.

Rev. 14: 5 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And there is no falsehood found in their mouths as they are without fault.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
They've never told a lie. They are blameless.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

If they were blameless you can be too.


Flee from sin; resit the de- vil and he will flee from you.

Hi,

Did anyone NOT SIN today?

Let me know ok?

Me I sinned..but that is just me.

I broke a commandment or two today.

If you didn't sin all day and kept all the commandments please post and let us know how you did it ok?

God Bless

steven a sinner saved by grace.( Through faith in the completed work on the cross by my LORD and Saviour JESUS CHRIST )

1John 1: 10 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.



Romans 3: 23 New Living Translation (©2007)
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.

Jeremiah 2:35 you say, 'I am innocent; he is not angry with me.' But I will pass judgment on you because you say, 'I have not sinned.'



Ecclesiastes 7:20 There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins.

Kings 8:46 "When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to the enemy, who takes them captive to his own land, far away or near;


Thy word have I hid in mine heart; so that I will not sin against you.
Psm. 119

Rev. 2

You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.

4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.


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Kathy (1 Jan 2013)
"Keeping the commandments"


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I try not to argue with people about this but I just can't believe how some people think you are not to keep commandments. First of all, our beloved Savior said "If you love me, you will keep the commandments.". Please show me, from our Savior's words, where He says you don't have to keep them. Don't give me Paul's words. Paul is very hard to understand unless you look at him from a practicing Hebrew's point of view, which most Christians can not do. Next, you are not saved by grace, you are saved by the blood! The Savior said "many will come to me saying Lord,Lord . . But I did not know them!". Many people believe that grace is a license to sin. Before you tell me it's not, then which commandments do you not follow and which ones do you try to follow? Telling people you're saved by grace and we do not have to follow the commandments is giving a person a way out. Let's go back to my question. Which commandments can you not follow? We are not talking about man made laws by the Jewish leaders about which shoe to put on first or how far to walk on a Sabbath. We are talking about true commandments that our Creator gave us to follow. Do you really think you are going to see your Creator but you don't have to love and honor Him. That's one of the commandments and I think out of love you would do that. Remember, you do it out of love not because your going to win a bigger, better prize. How about murder. In your heart you think you can walk up to people and end their lives and that's okay? You're saved by grace so it won't matter, right? Wrong, with the love of the Savior, your heart tells you it's wrong. I think people who think you are not to follow Commandments get them mixed up with all the many man made laws that the leaders created to control the people and to lift themselves up. My Savior, Yahushua, said we are to write the commandments in our heart, not on stone. We are to love our Creator, Yahuwah, will all our heart and soul and to treat our fellow man with love and respect. These sum up the commandments, and yes we are to follow them!

Did I sin today? I don't know, but I always ask the Lord to show me where I have fallen short and broken a commandment. I do repent daily for shortcomings and displeasing Him.

We are all at different levels in our walk in the degree we are able to overcome sin.

Jesus instructed us “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”, Matthew 5:48.

Yet, there is this: “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” 1John 1:8,10.


Phil. 3:12 Paul says he was not yet perfected.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

So who can say they are perfected? I know I cannot.

We have to be willing to change, renounce our carnality, and strive for holiness; to set ourselves a goal as did Paul to imitate God and be perfect before him. Our highest piety will be shown in loving your enemies. That one is difficult, but our Lord showed us His example for us in forgiveness for others even in hanging on the cross.

Read Psalm 51 over with special attention to verse 17 when David was found to have committed adultery.

Ps. 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

David, by repenting before God, found grace.

It's all about repentance when you come short, and striving to be and do what He told us, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect," Matthew 5:48.


Remember there is no forgiveness for deliberate sin, only for repentance and turning away from that sin.

What caused Jesus to shed his blood?

Was it not Grace? ( God's Riches At Christ Expense G R A C E )

So are we saved by GRACE through faith?

That is just one point I could discuss .....anyways...me I fall short and am NOT able to KEEP the commandments....

Now if you have kept the commandments and have NOT sinned I would gladly know HOW YOU DID IT...or was it that you were forgiven? (Grace & Mercy from the KING of KINGS )

God Bless


ybiC,

Steven

I can honestly say without hesistation that Kathy does not always follow even the first commandment.....as long as we are in the flesh we will deny LOVING GOD first all the time ( See Peter denying Christ 3 times )

Now do we ask for forgivens and repent ? ( I pray that we do! )

But to say you keep the commandments is a bit misleading without saying that you also FALL SHORT and need a SAVIOUR ( JESUS CHRIST sacrify on the CROSS for your sins is misleading ) so yes we all 'try' to follow the commandments but without the GRACE and MERCY of Christ and HIS sacrifice we would not enter into heaven )

Did Jesus break the commandment when worked and healed on the sabbath?

Jesus is my Sabbath ( I rest in HIM )

Man was NOT made for the sabbath....


Sabbath was made for man.....( I rest on the Sabbath: Jesus is my Sabbath )


God Bless and may Jesus KEEP YOU!


pss: I do know I sin every day by ommission and by comission

I do know I fall short EVERY DAY.

So I pray and ask forgiveness because the bible does not lie.

Man is deceitfully wicked and in need of a SAVIOUR ( JESUS ) keeping the commandments is noble and a good goal but without ( JESUS ) no one would enter into heaven.

"Remember there is no forgiveness for deliberate sin, only for repentance and turning away from that sin."

I sinned deliberately. I knew it was wrong to lie...

but I was afraid to tell the truth. But I repented of many things I had did.

Remember not the sins of my youth. Lord forgive me for being stupid and foolish. Help me to obey. Obedience and repentance is my song.

"What caused Jesus to shed his blood? Was it not Grace? "

Jesus learned obedience throguh the things he suffered.

There was no sin in him and he always obeyed the Father.


If he had to learn obedience through suffering,
maybe so do I?

Heb. 5: 8

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Very well said- bravo.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2013/1cor1031-12-1.htm


1 Cor 10:31 (2 Jan 2013)
"If we love Him, we WILL keep His commandments!"


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Go ahead: start throwing darts & claim I'm into SDA *works* salvation (I'm not; nor have I ever been). Say I'm legalistic. I'm not. I just believe in honoring the Lord by my lifestyle. I will out & out admit that I have not always done that ~ sometimes on purpose (sowing wild oats in my early '20s) and now SOOO THANKFUL the Lord did not come when I was in my prodigal state ~ and sometimes failing to honor the Lord, not so much on purpose, but by falling by way of temptation. Even so, I have confessed (and continue to confess whenever I stumble & need my feet washed) and the Lord has been faithful & just to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.

I present the following Bible study, right straight FROM THE BIBLE!!

Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.



Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me



1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments



1 Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.



2 Jn 6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.



Rev 12:17 who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.



Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.



1 John 2: The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.



What ARE the Lord’s commandments we are to keep?

Some say the 10 Commandments ~ that it is imperative to keep them, while others insist they were tossed out with the New Testament. But it is important to remember that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law ~ but to FULFILL IT!! Matthew 5:17



Interesting that the 10 commandments ~ all of them, are of spoken again in various places in the New Testament. Hmm..... in the New Testament? Some how, that rather tells me they are to be kept then.

Further, not only the 10 commandments but ALL Scripture itself is “instruction in righteousness” ~ (2 Tim 3:16) and the New Testament actually lists the kind of sinners who will not even be allowed into heaven!! Just “believing” in Jesus does NOT give a person a free license to sin!!





The new commandment that Jesus gave us was that we love one another as He has loved us. So the 2 greatest commandments are that we love HIM first & foremost & that we love our neighbors as we love ourselves.



HOWEVER, and this is just what the church does not *get* today ~ just believing and/or even loving Jesus ~ does NOT give a person the “right” to continue on in an abominable lifestyle. I know of a (fairly popular) actor/singer ~ who will get on stage & sing with a “gospel” group & promote about how they all LOVE JESUS.... and then talk about his *partner* at home (yes, he is homosexual) and ~ well, check out those lists of what will not be allowed into heaven!! In other words: doesn’t matter how much he claims to LOVE Jesus!!



Such people claim they know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are detestable and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good. Titus 1:16



To “the MANY” on judgment day whom Jesus turns away & claims, “I never knew you ~ DEPART FROM ME” ~ WHY is it He says that to them? Simple. They continued to practice unrighteousness.



Matt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who practice evil!'"



Put it this way: they continued to purposely, WILLFULLY sin.....

Whether sleeping around, [before OR after OR during marriage] Fornicators AND adulterers ~ GOD WILL JUDGE!!! Heb. 13:4

· Lying,

· Cheating,

· Stealing,....



See, it’s not just the *BIG SINS* that will send a person to hell! Hey, I’m not making this stuff up!! It’s ALL IN THE BIBLE!!! And I can show you each & every place where the New Testament says that people who live these type of lifestyles are NOT going to heaven.



As for the ones who claim that we “cannot possibly” keep the Lord’s commandments – He Himself says “they are NOT burdensome”!!

It’s like this: you tell a 2 year old child to “stay away from that stove”! You do this ~ not because you are a tyrant & like ordering him around, not because you enjoy slapping his hands or his bottom.... you do this because YOU KNOW (he doesn’t!) but you know that if he fiddles near heat... near fire.... he will get burned!! So while you may not take time to EXPLAIN to him, you merely tell him & expect him to obey. If not, you have a way of making him understand. So when he’s warned again at some point in the future, he KNOWS TO NOT DO WHAT HE IS TOLD NOT TO DO!!

God’s commandments are very much like that. If He tells us to NOT do something, then we are not to do it – simple as that. If He tells us TO do something, we ARE to do it. Again, Jesus says that IF.... if..... IF we love Him, we WILL keep His commandments!



Also He says, ““But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46



I don’t believe God’s commandments were put in place so much for those who DESIRE to please Him ~ as much as they were for the disobedient & unrighteous [Ref: 1 Tim 1:8-10] ~ so they will KNOW *where the boundaries are*!!



1 John 3:7 He who practices righteousness IS righteous

Note: It does not say SELF righteous! Nor is it for self glorification!



1 John 3:7 in NLT: Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous.

1 Jn 3:8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil.





Again, SCRIPTURE ITSELF says: IF we love Him ~ we WILL keep His commandments!! John 14:15 John 14:21 Luke 6:46



No two ways about it!!



You can argue all day long ~ but it’s IN THE BIBLE!!!!!!



BIBLE = BASIC

INSTRUCTIONS

BEFORE

LEAVING

EARTH!!!!

Did King David keep the commandments while having adulterous affair with Bathsheba?

Did King David know that he was committing adultery?


Is King David in heaven?

That is just ONE example.

THE ONLY ONE TO KEEP ALL THE COMMANDMENTS WAS 'JESUS CHRIST' our SAVIOUR.

John 14:6 ( THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN )

Do we try to keep the commandments? ( yes )

Do we keep the commandments? ( no )

Like I asked earlier in this link :

If you don't sin at all today can you please tell us how you did it?

We would all like to know how you 'kept all the commandments'

I'm saved by GRACE through FAITH ( lest ANYONE boast )

God Bless

ybiC,

Steven

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Jennie (2 Jan 2013)
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YES!!! I too am an AVID BELIEVER in following Gods 10 commandments and the greatest commandment!!!

Just because the world has changed, doesn't mean God's words have??? We must follow the Commandments at all times and every night before I go to bed, It breaks my heart to see how many I have broken in one day??? I strive for perfection for the Lord, but we are all sinners.


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