Completely agree with you Jason :)

Per : Michael Colunga
An outstanding proof of the Prewrath Rapture.

Per Email from Arlene:

Hi Michael.....Great post! Wonderful link.....lots of information and much to think about!!!

Thanks!

Arlene

Steven:

In this passage God the Holy Spirit speaking through the apostle Paul is teaching the Thessalonians

about the rapture and calls the event “the day of the Lord.”



Hello Steven, I'm not disagreeing with your post, just one point, the day of the Lord or the day of

Christ is not the rapture, it is the day of His wrath. There are many verses showing this.

The Thessalonians would not be troubled if the day of the Lord was the rapture (verse 2) they would

be exceedingly happy.



There was rumours going around that the day of the Lord was at hand, and the Thessalonians were

concerned because they knew they should be raptured before the day of God's wrath, and Paul assured

them that the falling away and the man of sin be revealed before the day of the Lord.



2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering

together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by

letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a

falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;



God Bless, John.

Hi John,

Welcome to the site...

Thanks for posting....

The day of the LORD could easily be interpreted the day of Wrath...


The day of Christ could easily mean the Second coming..............

We will soon see after the son of perdition is revealed.............

still waiting on the two witnesses.................................

still waiting for the sun to turn black and the moon to turn blood red .......

so we possibly have a few more events before the day of the LORD ( wrath )

and the day of Christ ( the second coming )

if the interpretation I currently hold is true.........

I'm reading Robert Gundry book right now about title: "The Church and the Tribulation"


I have three more books on my list to read so I'm getting a lot of new insights to scripture.....( while praying for the HOLY SPIRIT to lead me )


Thanks again for posting!


God Bless

Steven
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2 Thess 2:1-3:1

2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


KJV

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Defining

Tribulation

Wrath

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Steven, thanks for posting this video. I would encourage everyone no matter what position you hold to watch it and to not let the hour and 23 minutes it takes to watch prevent you from doing so - you can watch it in short sections and come back if you don't have the time. It is the most comprehensive and cohesive presentation of a rapture position I have seen since I started studying last summer. Everyone please watch, I believe it's worth your time.

Hi Steven !!!,
All :)
Why,I'm right of course :)

I'm a Pan-Tribber---its all gonna pan out :)

more seriously you said:
3. The rapture occurs at the Day of the Lord after the moon is turned to blood after the sixth seal is opened. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2 Thes 2:1,2. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come Acts 2:20. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood Rev 6:12.

Most FunDemental scholars say the coming of Jesus is the rapture and the Day of The Lord mentioned here is the 2nd coming....

2Thess 2 says the Departure (of the Church) happens first then the AntiChrist is revealed in the first seal....The word departure (apostasy) is falsely translated and falsely understood in the King James...... see www.lewishb.biz for my commentary/paraphraise...its NOT just my idea,,, the proof of this has been understood for centuries!!!

Hi Lewis,


Just a few simple question.

Did you read all the post on this thread?


Did you watch all the videos on this thread?


The video is important to this thread.

Thanks looking forward to your answers.


God Bless


steven

real all 9044 posts ?
If I did that I would miss the rapture :)

Seriously, though, I have studied much for lots of years on this topic and believe what I say is correct....

so do most all Fun-De-mental Baptists in the BBFI...or is it the IBBF ???

Lewis, most who have studied the pre-trib position understand the points you brought as part of that interpretation. I would challenge you to see if you maintain that position after watching the video posted a couple of post above yours, and if so you can remain confident in your belief, but if you watch the video and keep an open mind you will at the very least come out with a broader perspective and maybe also discover there are other interpretations that have at least or more compelling arguments in favor of a different position.

I am still studying different views on this. One thing I can tell you is that I have seen a blood moon. So the concept that the rapture cannot happen until one sees a blood moon is not necessarily right.
When was it, you may ask? It was in December a few years ago, not too long after my husband died in 2009.
I went outside to see if I could spot it, and there it was, a big piece of bloody raw hamburger, not a pretty sight at all. But it was amazing that I was able to see it. We have clear air most of the time where I live, so it was very clear. I don't remember the precise year. After my husband died categorizing years did not seem important.

There are some amazing studies on the blood moons, such as the Biltz one and Scottie Clark's. Scottie Clark's timeline on Eternalrhythmflow is amazing. But he does not say which of these tetrad moons will be the date of the rapture, just that they are in 2014 and 2015 on Passover and Tabernacles in each year. A pretty amazing coincidence. It is the Lord sending us a heads up.