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Nicole (20 Dec 2012)
"To Marilyn Agee: I respectfully disagree with your study of Christ's Conception and Birth"

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Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two different perspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify Christ's conception and birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created calendar going back to "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the calendar was skewed. It is www.torahcalendar.com and they have retraced the data and it verifies that Jesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the www.bethlehemstar.net data, it ties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And then he shows from there that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the wise men found him on Christmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar, this day of Christmas was the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving Jesus gifts as He is in the center of the lampstands (menorah).



I also find that Jesus as He was born in June (live birth...Jews believe that the birth date is really their conception date however) is that his birthstone is Pearl. And in the Bible Jesus says that He is the door. And I find interesting that there is a large Pearl at each of the 12 gates in Heaven.


This is where I am getting my data, and since we are coming from two different perspectives, our data will never converge. I respect your thesis on Jesus conception and birth, but I am not in agreement as I try to find scientific evidence to support what I believe and then tie it back to scripture. The man at Bethlehemstar.net shows that most scholars get the conception and birth of Jesus wrong because they did not tie back key data relating to Herod and the writings of Josephus. I purchased his video and watched it.

FAIR USE FOR EDUCATIONAL AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES
CANCEL CHRISTMAS: SCIENTISTS SAY JESUS BORN JUNE 17TH
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1093053/Cancel-Christmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html


TORAH CALENDAR

www.torahcalendar.com

The Star of Bethlehem Movie






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jfh (21 Dec 2012)
"To: Nicole Re: Conception and Birth"


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Nicole,

You say "Jews believe that the birth date is really their conception date". That goes along with Haggai's prophecy when they were laying the foundation for the second temple said: "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the Lord's temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, has not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."
Could he have been conceived on Kislev 24/Dec 11 and birthed Tishri 3/Sept 11 [per Dr. E. L. Martin "The Star that Astonished the World].

Did not God lay the foundation of the third temple on Kislev 24?

What this AM year is for 2013 is really what is up for debate. There have been so many changes and new calendars that who is to ever know?

"Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes." Actually, I don't think that's talking about when he comes in the end time but when he comes for an individual at anytime.

But, God gave mankind 6,000 years. Scripture does not say when he began that count. The Book of Jubilees does but with all the manipulations with the calendars how can you tell what year of the world we are in.

Genesis 6:3 "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty [Jubilee] years." That is 6,000 years.

The Book of Enoch does give an end date of Tevet 7. Well, on the Hebrew calendar book we have passed that date. But, who is to say that it is in sync with Enoch's calendar.

Since the Egyptians used the heliacal rising of Sirius/Sothis we might use the transiting of Sirius at midnight to find the new year. It has slipped and does not transit until Jan 11, 2013. So even our calendar is off. I believe E. W. Bullinger said that was His star. I believe that Julius Caesar lined up his calendar in 44 BC with the star Sirius and Haggai's date. I may be wrong but it makes for a great story. We shall see.

Remember, God told Noah to get in the Ark. Jesus reminded us, "As in the days of noah"..."Get in the Ark". The Ark is Jesus.

Matthew 24:37 "As the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Genesis 7:1, 4 "The Lord said unto Noah, Come you and all your house into the ark; for you I have seen righteous before me in this generation."

"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

God Bless, jfh



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