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Arlene (22 Oct 2012)
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Hi Rene....You leave me almost speechless!! But I recovered enough to want to set the record straight for those who might believe that every Christian should VOTE. There is nothing further from the truth than what you said about "Our vote IS recorded in heaven." I would love scripture and verse on that one!! Nobody in Ninevah exercised their right to VOTE about anything. And certainly, Jonah didn't either. And voting for or against Hitler would not have changed a thing.

Since when is "NOT VOTING is NOT a vote for Jesus"???? We are not supposed to care about things of this world. We are passing through here, and our relationship with the world must be a more distant one. Letting the world become our focus in life is rendering to Caesar wha! t is God's. We belong to God, and so our attention and affection must be with Him, and not with the enemy of God (the world).

Philippians 3:18-20....(read it)...bottom line is that our "conversation" should be on heavenly things and not on earthly things.

Colossians 3:2..."Set your affection on things above, not on things of the earth."

Romans 12:2...."And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed to the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God."

I John 2:15..."Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
James 4:4..."Friendship with the world is enmity with God."

We are not meant to, nor should we EVER want to try to put people into leadership positions by voting, campaigning, or even being concerned about it. God will put in whom He, alone, chooses.

Daniel 2:21..."And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings and setteth up kings:....."etc.

God will put in His choice without our getting involved it any of it. We are now being "judged" by bad leaders because we DESERVE it. And whoever gets elected next (if there is another election), it will be God's choice without our help. The whole world system is anti-God, and we should p! articipate in it as little as possible. God will eventually take care o! f all the "evil".

That is not my own opinion. It is what is written in the Bible.

Arlene



Your post to Kevin:

Kevin,

Many people "copped out" of voting when Hitler was coming into power because they felt that it was useless, their vote didn't count, and Jesus was coming soon anyway, so why bother? Our vote IS recorded in heaven. As long as we are still here, I am going to actively participate in the electoral process and pray about it all along the way. Ninevah was sinking too and about to go under God's wrath. He sent Jonah (via the long way - through the whale vomit) to go and preach to Ninevah and warn them. Many people in America are repenting. Our entire church is fasting. We are simply doing what we believe Jesus wants us to do right up until the time He comes to take us out. NOT VOTING is NOT a vote for Jesus! It is a declaration of indifference! Germany fell to Hitler because of the indifference and apathy of many thousands of CHRISTIANS. We are not to be a "silent" majority. We are to be fighting evil, not waiting for it to overtake us!

Rene



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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Re: Voting.........another take......

That was awesome! Thank you Arlene for that letter, if you are reading this. I sent a response to Rene that should have been posted today at 5 Doves, but John Tng didn't publish it. Keep looking up!

Kevin

Re: Voting.........another take......

Agreement with the post: it is God who appoints the rulers of the world, and it is God who gives kingdoms and power to the men whom He has chosen. No group of "voting people" will ever change this fact.

Indeed, this is the lesson that the King of Babel must eventually learn:

Dan 4:30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

Voting is just another way for men to attempt to usurp the will of God with their own will.

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Barry Amundsen (23 Oct 2012)
"Arlene, Rene, Kevin, "Elections""

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I tend to agree with Arlene who responded to Rene about the election:

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2012/arlene1022.htm

My thoughts about elections are this:

Zechariah 4:
6. Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

At first glance it sounds like this passage is giving two examples of the same thing and contrasting that by the third thing but it is not. There are two distinct and separate ways that it says God will not work His means to bring His will on the scene of our world and they are different from each other. First is not by MIGHT and then not by POWER and these are two different things that God says He will not use to get His will done.

While they may sound the same there is a big difference and we should know this because since He has told us what He won't use, it saves us a lot of wasted energy that we might spend in trying to get God to honor our efforts in either of these first two endeavors.

So what is MIGHT and what is POWER?

Might is physical means, or to try and force the world into complying with God's way by not giving any other options besides God's way and God says He does not do that. After all He was the one who gave us free will in the first place. (I set before thee TWO WAYS, life or death, Blessing or cursing... Choose life!) An example of those who try and accomplish God's will through physical means would be if someone wanted to put a stop to abortion by destroying an abortion clinic (physically) with a bomb or arson or what have you but God will not honor that or sanction or endorse such means. (This is not to say that ultimately God will not judge evil with whatever means He chooses to destroy for that we know is ultimately coming but that is His doing and not up to us to help Him in our might and power.)

Next is POWER and represents political authority over the world and God says He does not use this as His way to do things on earth either. An example of this would be to elect a politician who is pro-life so that the laws will be changed to ban abortions. Let me ask you this: Have we not had pro-life presidents in the White House already? And yet was abortion stopped?

That is why it does not say in

2 Chronicles 7:

14. If my people, which are called by my name, shall...

get out the vote and elect godly politions with biblical principles and put up barriors around evil so that no one can do any sin but must stay on the straight and narrow...

then I will heal their land.

(Another example: Did "Prohibition" stop people from drinking?)

No, He says By My Spirit which means through humbling ourselves and pray etc. Jesus instructs us to pray "Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on earth... Pray the Lord of the harvest that He will thrust forth laborors into His field etc.

Kat Kerr said in one of her excellent videos on Youtube (check them out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kfxxJgJW0M ) that when we pray for God's will on any matter to be done, it causes a sword to be formed out of our mouth that when it is complete an angel takes it and uses it to accomplish in the spirit realm God's will according to His word in that matter. Now that is getting things done! She said that is how the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

The bottom line is that such evil as we see in our world was prophesied long before and Jesus said He was telling us in advance so that when it came we would not be caught off guard but He said when we saw it, not to try and do something about it and stop it so our world can be a better place for longer a time but to look up for our redemption draws nigh.

Even back in Paul's day there was plenty of corruption in his cities but Paul never organized an attempt to change or "Christianize" his society at all. He just told Christians to come out from among them and be separate. He did say to pray for our leaders so that we might dwell in peace etc but didn't try and control who those leaders might be as though that would make a difference.

The church is ekklesia in Greek which is out called ones from this world.


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Rene (23 Oct 2012)
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Arlene,

People have paid with their blood for the right to VOTE. And as far as "our relationship with the world must be a more distant one," how DISTANT are you talking about? Are we supposed to bury our heads in the sand and let those who deal in drugs, child prostitution, and pornography take over our neighborhoods and cities, kidnap and molest our children? Maybe no one in Ninevah voted, but it sure was a good thing for their generation that they all got their heads together and listened to the man of God and REPENTED, because had they not done so, their city would have been destroyed completely. As it was, they were given a grace period because of their national repentance! You said you wanted some verses? Well - here are a few for you: How about II Chron 7:14?

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

He didn't say, if my people turn inward and forget about those around them going to hell, I'll heal their land. This promise denotes ACTION on our part! We can ACTIVELY hold off God's judgment against our land by our actions, prayer, repentance and fasting! You said that we should NEVER try to put people into power by voting, campaigning, that it was all God's doing and we should not participate. You mean being a total pacifist, don't you? We are not to LOVE the world, but God never commanded any of us to be pacifist! When he said "turn the other cheek," he wasn't talking about having a pedophile move in next to you, who decides to abduct your daughter, then giving him your other daughter to pacify him. Paul admitted that being single was better than being married because "he that is married careth for the things of the world, how he may please his wife." (I Cor 7:33) He admits that someone who is married is going to be more concerned about what is going on in the world around him for the sake of his wife and his love for her than a single person would be, but he does not condemn the man for caring "for the things of the world" for his wife's sake.

We are also told in Romans 12:18: If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." One of the reasons that God desires people live in peace is because you can sure get the gospel out to the world when you are living in PEACE and not in war! Living peaceably with all men denotes action on our part! If you let vile, reprobates take over your government, there is no way you are going to live PEACEABLY and history proves this! Your pacifist attitude is not scriptural. You can be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good at all. God often gives people what they DESERVE and he also will often give them exactly what they ask for. To take the attitude that you have taken implies that we should go about our day to day lives and not even bother with prayer or fasting. If we are just passing through and everything turns out exactly as God wills it, why bother praying and fasting over anything? The entire Book of Acts tells us otherwise! God IS MOVED by prayer and fasting and often changes HISTORY and lives because of it! And NOT voting is NOT a vote for God. That is absolutely ludicrous! The tide of EVIL in this world is held back by the Holy Spirit indwelling BELIEVERS in this world, believers who are active in doing God's work and part of that work is seeking RIGHTEOUSNESS! And part of that involves putting people in positions of power who are righteous, God-fearing people! Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. (Prov 14:34). You can't have a righteous nation unless you elect leaders who are God-fearing RIGHTOUS people!

Rene



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Rene (24 Oct 2012)
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I am absolutely appalled that so many people who claim to represent Christ and claim that they are born again Christians are so naive and gullible as to believe that abstaining from voting is actually somehow a vote for Jesus and merits them a big huggy from God. God gives them an opportunity to vote out of office a vile, socialist, anti-God, anti-Israel, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, deceitful, lying marxist, and they think that sitting back on their duff and failing to cast a vote is actually doing God a favor?

Incredible! Is it any wonder that our nation is in the mess it is in? is it any wonder that we have thugs running our top governmental offices? Because so-called Christians sit back and refuse to act when it is within their power to do so??!!! God DOES watch what you do at the polls and YES, your vote is recorded in heaven! WHY? Because EVERYTHING that you do is recorded in heaven! You should be ashamed of yourself! You should be ashamed to call yourselves Americans! YOU are a disgrace to your country, your God, and to all those soldiers out there in harms way that are fighting to keep YOU free and give you the freedom to be able to get out and vote! AND the ones who already died to keep our nation free.


I am praying that we are out of here soon and Jesus does come for us soon, but If Jesus tarries, and we have another 4 years of B.O., your right to vote may not even exist by 2016, and you may find yourself AND all your family members behind barbed wire in a FEMA camp by then! You won't even have a choice on what you eat or when you sleep, let alone the ability to vote!

Rene



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1 Cor 10:31 (24 Oct 2012)
"how about some actual SCRIPTURES on voting, instead of merely *opinions*???"


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Hey Gang ~ perhaps John will allow this discussion to continue for a bit longer ~ as long as we're all civil & don't turn into a bunch of hotheads! Or 2 year old children! He's already raised his own children by now & doesn't need to go thru' the process again...... /smile.

I can appreciate the passion on both sides, but I have to agree with Rene. Arlene, I love you, you're my SIC ~ however those verses you presented the other day had nothing to do with actually voting!! Yes, we ARE to keep our minds on *things above* ~ but that does not mean we are not to *conduct business* down here ~ UNTIL we're gone! Remember the Apst. Paul commended -- even got on to people -- just b/c ppl in that day thought it was time for the rapture -- he said those who will not work should not eat!! Means we MUST tend to business while here. And we WILL be judged according to all we did in the flesh. Covered by Jesus' blood, yes, but judged just the same.... where do you all think the wood, hay, & stubble info is all about anyway? OR... the parable of the unprofitable servant?? {he was still a believer, folks}

Good point, Rene - people in other countries have died or been KILLED for the *right to vote*. And here, it's offered to Americans on a silver platter ~ and yet refused? Don't worry, Julia, I will not try to *convince* anybody. Live with your own consciences and then stand before God and give answer -- this is akin to my Catholic SIL (who hates abortions, but LOVES Obama) & will once again be voting for him.... there is NOTHING you can tell her -- she's so slobberring-in-love with the man.

Anyway, I mentioned SCRIPTURES, didn't I??!! Here's a buffet from the Bible ~ they all have to do with actually electing, with voting. Please read & heed:

Acts 15:22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch….

Acts 6:1 Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. 2 And the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3 “But select from among you, brethren, seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4 “But we will devote ourselves to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.” 5 And the statement found approval with the whole congregation; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch. (NASB-77, highlighting added)

In that passage, some things are clear, while some are only indicated. What is clear is that those seven men were selected (elected) by all the saints together.

Deuteronomy 1:13 ESV / Choose for your tribes wise, understanding, and experienced men, and I will appoint them as your heads.’


Deuteronomy 17:14-20 ESV /
“When you come to the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and you possess it and dwell in it and then say, ‘I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are around me,’ you may indeed set a king over you whom the Lord your God will choose. One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you. You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. Only he must not acquire many horses for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall never return that way again.’ And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold. “And when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself in a book a copy of this law, approved by the Levitical priests. ...



Exodus 18:17-21 ESV /
Moses' father-in-law said to him, “What you are doing is not good. You and the people with you will certainly wear yourselves out, for the thing is too heavy for you. You are not able to do it alone. Now obey my voice; I will give you advice, and God be with you! You shall represent the people before God and bring their cases to God, and you shall warn them about the statutes and the laws, and make them know the way in which they must walk and what they must do. Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.



Acts 26:10 ESV /
And I did so in Jerusalem. I not only locked up many of the saints in prison after receiving authority from the chief priests, but when they were put to death I cast my vote against them.


1 Samuel 8:1-22 ESV /
When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah and said to him, “Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” ...

1 Samuel 24:1-22 ESV /
When Saul returned from following the Philistines, he was told, “Behold, David is in the wilderness of Engedi.” Then Saul took three thousand chosen men out of all Israel and went to seek David and his men in front of the Wildgoats' Rocks. And he came to the sheepfolds by the way, where there was a cave, and Saul went in to relieve himself. Now David and his men were sitting in the innermost parts of the cave. And the men of David said to him, “Here is the day of which the Lord said to you, ‘Behold, I will give your enemy into your hand, and you shall do to him as it shall seem good to you.’” Then David arose and stealthily cut off a corner of Saul's robe. And afterward David's heart struck him, because he had cut off a corner of Saul's robe. ...


http://www.fbcaltoona.org/1352108995453560/lib/1352108995453560/_files/THE_BIBLE,_THE_CHRISTIAN,_AND_THE_VOTE.pdf



1) Proverbs 11:11 – When the “upright” are involved in the city (representing local government),

there is the blessing of the Lord. But where the “wicked” are involved, there is destruction! Number watchers: notice that verse # 11:11 (hahah!)



2) Proverbs 14:34 – When the “righteous” are involved in the nation, that country is exalted by

God. But when sin reigns shame prevails.



A. The Christian Voting Biblically Promotes the Truth.

B. The Christian Voting Biblically Influences Righteous Decisions.

C. The Christian Voting Biblically is Acting in Obedience to God.

D. The Christian Voting Biblically Witnesses for Christ.

E. The Christian Voting Biblically Glorifies God.


According to Scripture, the Christian shows the wisdom of God to the world (Ephesians 3:10), is the sole establishment of truth in the world (1 Timothy 3:15), and is the light of the world (Matthew 5:14).



Without the biblical vote of the Christian, God’s wisdom, God’s truth, and God’s light will NOT be practically revealed to a world that is foolish, deceitful and in darkness. SO CHRISTIAN, FULFILL YOUR GOD-GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY AND VOTE RIGHTEOUSLY!



I. SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ON THE BIBLE, THE CHRISTIAN AND THE VOTE

A. Does the Bible Teach Christians to be Good Citizens?

1. The answer is “YES.” Observe Romans 13:1-7

2. According to verse 1, God ordained Government, and Christians should be involved in

God’s things.

B. Does the Bible Teach Christians to Involved with Government?

1. The answer is “YES.” Observe Titus 3:1

2. Many O.T. Saints were leaders in government (Solomon, David, etc)

C. Does the Bible Teach Christians to Vote?

1. The answer is “YES.” Observe 1 Peter 2:13

2. In fact, the voting is to be done “FOR THE LORD’S SAKE.”



II. SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES ON THE BIBLE, THE CHRISTIAN, AND THE

VOTE.

A. Voting is NOT a Party Matter. It is a Personal Consideration.

A CHRISTIAN SHOULD ALWAYS CONSIDER THE CANDIDATES BELIEFS AND

THEN VOTE BIBLICALLY!

1. The Candidates Position on Issues.

2. The Candidates Reputation in the Public.

3. The Candidates Character in Evaluation.

4. The Candidates Background in Experience.

5. The Candidates Associations with Others.

6. The Candidates Religious Involvement.

7. The Candidates Portrayal of Wisdom.

B. Voting is the Practical Way to Promote Righteousness



DEFINITION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: THE CHARACTER OR QUALITY OF BEING

RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE HOLY STANDARD OF GOD.



NOTE: CHRISTIANS PROMOTE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHEN VOTING BY SUPPORTING THOSE WHO UPHOLD BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES AND RESISTING THOSE WHO DENY BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.

1. Examples of the Unrighteous Vote

a. A Vote for Atheism would Defy Righteousness because their entire philosophy is

based on UNRIGHTEOUS THOUGHT.

b. A Vote for Immorality would Defy Righteousness because their entire philosophy is

based on UNRIGHTEIOUS LIVING.

c. A Vote for Anti-Religion would Defy Righteousness because their entire philosophy

rejects the ELEMENT OF GOOD CHARACTER.

d. A Vote for Anti-Christ would Defy Righteousness because their entire philosophy

DENIES TRUTH!

2. Examples of the Righteous Vote

a. The Righteous Vote Supports Life. God is the Creator of Life and the Declaration of

Independence states that our nation is to support life as well when it says, “WE ARE

ENDOWED WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE

ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.” (“Unalienable” –

Cannot be repudiated).

b. The Righteous Vote Supports the Family. God is the Author of the Family, and the

biblical traditional family strengthens the nation.

c. The Righteous Vote Supports Liberty. God is the Author of Liberty and Liberty

guarantees the freedom from oppression.

d. The Righteous Vote Supports Independence. God Created the human race as FREE

MORAL AGENTS with the ability to choose, and independence supports the ability

to think and act on one’s personal conviction

e. The Righteous Vote Supports Upright Character. God desires Upright Character, the

last sentence of the Declaration of Independence calls for Upright Character when

giving the testimony of our founding fathers, “AND FOR THE SUPPORT OF THIS

DECLARATION, WITH A FIRM RELIANCE ON THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE

PROVIDENCE, WE MUTUALLY PLEDGE TO EACH OTHER OUR LIVES, OUR

FORTUNES, AND OUR SACRED HONOR.” Upright Character will always show

the direction to proper deportment in a person and a society.

f. The Righteous Vote Supports God. God brought the Nation into existence and blessed

it as long as it recognized Him. The nation that honors God will be blessed and

protected by God.


Following from: http://www.victorychurch.nu/articles/righteousness_exalts_a_nation_part_2



Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people” (Proverbs 14: 34).

“When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn”(Proverbs 29:2).

In last month’s issue, we discussed the importance of our nation honoring God and His Word, and how the blessing of God on the United States as a nation hinges on our allowing God and His Word to continue to provide the foundation for our civic laws and personal behavior. When God is left out of private life and public policy, destruction and decline are the result. God is leading the believers in our nation to repentance, so that He can in return bless us as He has in the past.

God had a legal complaint against Israel because they compromised His Word, and went selfishly on their way without Him. In Hosea 4:1-6, God warns Israel of what will occur when they refuse to allow His Word to govern their lives. What He said to Israel has a direct application to the United States in our day.

Notice what God says to Israel in Hosea 4:3, “Therefore the land will mourn; and everyone who dwells there will waste away with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air; even the fish of the sea will be taken away.” Disobedience causes the blessings of God, His favor and protection to be withdrawn from a nation. Even the climate of a nation will be affected by disobedience, and the natural land will suffer. Could the fires, the floods, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, and the extreme weather patterns of the last few years in the United States be a result of our turning from God toward our own selfish, sinful desires? We as a nation have God’s favor and protection only when we obey Him. Otherwise, through national disobedience we allow the enemy to steal, kill, and destroy. God could have prevented the attacks of September 11th, 2001. Could they have been allowed by our overall disobedience to God and His moral laws as a nation? Do they now serve as a wake up call for believers in the USA?

God holds believers in a nation responsible for the sins in a nation! Notice the often quoted verse in 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

Notice that God does not tell the unbelievers in a nation to repent of their ways, but He tells the believers in the nation that if they will humble themselves, pray, seek His face, and turn from their wicked ways, that He will then hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land. AS GOES THE CHURCH, SO GOES THE NATION!

The real battles that we face are spiritual battles with spiritual forces. And the only way to win is ON OUR KNEES. Prayer is more forceful than bombs, guns, and tanks! We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood. Yes, we need the natural protection, but we also need the spiritual resources to back them up!

The elections that will take place next month could easily be the most important elections in the history of our nation. The person we elect as president will either lead us as a whole in support of the Judeo-Christian values that formed our nation, or farther away. Quite literally, towards blessing or cursing! And the stand we take for or against Israel now will literally determine the fate of our nation. The president that we elect must support Israel!

I urge you today to take your stand and pray for our country. Proverbs 21:1 reads, “The kings’s [President’s] heart is in the hand of the Lord, like rivers of water; He turns it wherever He wishes.” 1 Timothy 2:1 reads, “Therefore I exhort FIRST OF ALL that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men. (2) For kings [Presidents] and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” Don’t forget that “.the earnest, heartfelt, continual prayer of a righteous man makes tremendous power available - dynamic in its working” (James 5:16b, Amplified Bible).

I urge you to vote next month. I urge you to repent of any known sin in your life so that your light will shine brightly. Don’t be part of the problem, be part of the solution. Pray for our nation and the election, BE the SALT and LIGHT that God has called you to be, and be bold to speak the truth in love as the Spirit of God leads you and opens opportunities.

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EXCELLENT SITE: http://www.rodmartin.org/scripture-speaks-voting-for-the-lesser-of-two-evils/



And should the rapture happen BEFORE the election ~ all of us ARE *then* excused from voting!! Wink-Wink!!



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Robin (24 Oct 2012)
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Arlene you nailed it. The holy spirit has brought me to complete repentance on trusting in man to save our country. In the past I have voted for men whom I believed to be followers of Christ, and yet once in office they did not uphold biblical Christianity.

Repent means recognizing your error and turning away from it.

How it is that servants to a holy God can think they can vote for God's values or standards to be upheld by men and women who do not serve the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is something I cant grasp.

Rene if your church is repenting then I suggest you start with repenting from the idolatry that is our political system.

Kevin, I pray the holy spirit will affirm you and uphold you with his mighty right hand.

To be clear on the words from II Chronicles 7:14 God called his people to pray and seek him, and REPENT. HIS people's wicked idolatry was what brought the curse on the land in the first place, don't believe me? Read the whole chapter of that passage.

God's people are the only people that have the power to change this nation, but because of their apostasy they will not repent, but rather ask God as in Malachi ch 3, "how have we sinned against you?" Not willing to recognize their error they will proudly mark a ballot in favor of their candidate.

Without repentance prayer is ineffectual.

May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Robin

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Lisa Taylor (24 Oct 2011)
"Vote According to Conviction"


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Issue: If the Lord is convicting someone not to vote for Romney because of his Mormon faith, should another Christian try to goad that individual into voting for Romney?

Both sides believe that they are morally correct. And I am of the opinion that BOTH can be morally correct at the same time. Let me explain.

There are some things that are not necessarily wrong or right, but can be wrong for specific individuals. For example, the Apostle Paul had no problem eating meat that had been offered to idols. However, he refrained from doing so in front of brothers who thought it was a sin to eat such food.

“So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one …. But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. Be careful, however, that the exercise of you freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience you sin against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat caused my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.” 1 Corinthians 8: 4-13.

Similarly, drinking alcohol may be wrong for one Christian, but not wrong for another. I have a girlfriend who was convicted not to listen to secular music because it gave her sinful thoughts. I have no such conviction. But, because the Lord gave her that particular conviction, it would be wrong for her to listen to secular music.

I see voting in the same vein. I personally do not see how voting or not voting for someone in a secular election can amount to a sin. However, I do understand how Christians can be convicted either way on this issue.

Who are we to judge another on something that they feel morally convicted about? Why should they compromise their convictions in order to please us?

I saw the following advice that was given to Moses in Exodus 18:19-21 cited on another forum:

“Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people’s representative before God and bring their disputes to him. Teach them the decrees and laws, and show them the way to live and the duties they are to perform. But select capable men from all the people – men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain – and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens.”

It was argued on that forum that this passage prohibits us from voting for heretics – which includes Mormons because they worship a different God. It was also argued that God’s standard has not changed.

Good arguments can be made on both sides of the voting issue; but I do not see the point of squabbling over something that ultimately will not lead to a “sin unto death.” (See 1 John 5:16.) If God is convicting you to vote for a candidate, then vote for him. And if God is convicting you not to vote for a candidate, then do not vote for him.

God bless.

– Lisa Taylor


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Kevin (25 Oct 2012)
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Thank you Robin and Sara B for your letters of support yesterday. God bless you both! I find it hard to believe that Rene and others who are supposed to be Watchmen for the Lord are wasting their time trying to effect change in America through politics. We all know that America is under God's judgement, and unless their is a massive amount of repentance across this nation, God's judgement will continue. Is it repentance by showing up at the polls to vote for a Mormon to be our president? No, that's not repentance!

True born again believers in Jesus Christ are definitely in the minority in this nation now. Many of us, including myself, held our nose and voted for John McCain in 2008, but Obama won easily!

I don't read in the scriptures anywhere that I will lose my salvation if I vote for someone other than the republican candidate for president! No, it's not there! Every one of you has the freedom to vote for who you think would best lead our nation, even though we know that we are living in the very last days of the Church Age. As for me, I realize that God is still on the throne, and my home is in Heaven. Arlene stated that very clearly, and I agree. I'm more concerned about placing my treasures in Heaven rather than trying vote in a politician that makes campaign promises he doesn't even intend to keep. It's time to go home, not to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic!

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Rick Smith (25 Oct 2012)
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THANK YOU!
Millions of Americans never got to get married to their sweethearts.
Never got to raise families, or hold their grandkids in their arms.
They died on bloody battlefields around the world to protect the
freedoms we enjoy. Freedom of Religion being the first and most
important of them all.

When I hear arrogant "christians" like the blogger who calls himself
"John Baptist" claim that voting is useless, I could scream.
Mothers lost their sons, wives lost their husbands so "John"
could sit on his butt and play on his computer, spreading nonsense
and weird ideas.

Thanks to ignorant people like him, America has suffered under
Barack Hussein Obama, a type of antichrist, for four years.

If you have ONE OUNCE of love for your country, please ignore
this character and people like him, and VOTE.




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