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Nando (9 Oct 2012)
"Is today the start of the 7 year Tribulation? Are the two witnesses coming today?"

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Is today the start of the 7 year Tribulation? Are the two witnesses coming today?

Janet Herscu has posted a comment in this blog today with the last timeline scenario that can be discerned with the scriptures and the events in the past. If today goes by and there is no Rapture it is not over yet, but the Rapture is a floating event that is not discernible. Now the beginning of the 7 years of Apocalypse is another thing. The Tribulation is event dependent and time constrained. For starters the maximum end is limited by the prophecy relating to the birth of the Nation of Israel and also to the recapture of Jerusalem.

As the article explains the signing of the covenant by the Antichrist (Obama) could be done in secret and the fact not released at that moment or released at a date that is politically expedient to gain advantage in the coming elections.

It is well to remember that the first seal of Revelation 6:1 opens with the white horse and its rider the Antichrist (Obama) this could have happened in heaven and not known on earth by humans. I am speculating that Satan and the fallen angels are aware that this has occurred at the time it does. So all may seem uneventful for a time till the second seal the red horse of war is opened in heaven by the lamb. At this point the events on earth will be very obvious to see as WWIII would have started. It could be a few days or one or two weeks for the full destruction to be manifested and even more time for the full nuclear exchanges to take place.

It is at this point that to me it would be very difficult to see how the true church of Jesus Christ could still be here on earth and not Raptured by Jesus.

So the facts are here for all to see and to those of us watchers it is becoming exceedingly difficult to encapsulate all the events and prophecies in a coherent and true timeline.

A very definitive sign that we are in the Tribul
Janet your work has been extensive and well thought and I thank you for the post, but even after tomorrow it may still be mostly right.
Nando

Janet Herscu’s post below:
Submitted on 2012/10/08 at 3:16 am
After tomorrow (Monday/Tish 22/Oct , I’m done. Tomorrow is STILL Succoth, you know…..albeit the 8th Day therof. Note that eveything related to Jesus is NUMBER 8 (hope you still have my chart of the 8′s!); so the 8th Day of this great Feast is VERY significant.

Just for the fun of it (& for ‘old times’ sake’ I’ll review the scenario as I presume it now (one last time).
1-yr warn: Oct 8, 2011 (Yom Kip) to Oct 8, 2012 = 1 solar yr.
1 Jewish yr-warning: Oct 20, 2011 (Tish 22) to Oct 8, 2012 (Tish 22) = 1 Jewish yr (355…SHANA/Heb #’s).

Return (Aug 30, 2019/Av 29) plus 30 days is ROSH HASHANA, 2019, yr 5780 when Jesus enters the Temple with the Remnant (Isa 63).

Rosh Hashana 2019, when Jesus REconsecrates the Temple, is exactly 2300 days (+3 uncounted at mid trib) past JUNE 10, 2013, 46th anniv end 6-day war; so June 10, 2013 starts 3rd Temple Worship/live sacrifices (desecration).
June 10, 2013 is 7 mths (burying bodies/bldg 3rd Temple) past Nov 10-21, 2012, 40+ (?) days past the Rapture during which the N. Invasion will occur ending at the Divine Victory in Israel’s mts/Ezek 38-39 (hail/quake).
Mid trib (a.c. ‘rises’ & kills Elij & Moses) is March 21, 2016, ARIES 1 (8th sign/Lamb) plus 3+ days Elijah and Moses rise (all see).

Return plus 52 days (75 days total minus the 23-day tilt loss at earth’s straightening) is TISHREI 22; thus the entire trib is TISH 22 (2012) to TISH 22 (2019).

Rapture on Tishrei 22, 2012 is also exactly 21 days past ROSH, 2012, the 5th Feast……thus the projected hindsight view of the scenario when earth is straight will be AS the Rapture having occurred on Rosh…thus 5th Feast fulfilled. Note also the 21-day ‘delay’ in the Angel Michael’s battle/Dan 12.
The 7-day warning was TISH 15 to TISH 22 (as Noah’s 7-day warning before flood).

At the end of the trib both calendars & the Mazzarot will be in sync: OCT 21-22, TISH 22, SCOR 22.
Also, Oct 21-22 plus 360 days (1st perf Millen yr) will be Oct 15, 2020, TISHREI 15 each yr from then on (Tabernacles/Zech 14).
IF there was a ‘secret’ SIGNING 3 days before the Rapture (Oct 5), then that was LIBRA 15, exact middle of the sign of JUDGMENT (balanced judg). Also is SIGNING was on Oct 5, then exactly 2550 days reach Jesus’ Entrance into the Temple on Rosh Hashana, 2019.

Shemini Atzeret (TISHREI 22/8th Day of SUCCOTH) is the LAST DAY OF THE LAST FEAST, THUS LAST TRUMP.
Know too that TISH 22 was Jesus’ Circum Day.
Jesus Returns Av 29, 2019 which is still in the ROSH yr of 5779, end of the Pyramid timeline of Rosh 2011 to Rosh 2018 and matching the 5779 inches/ht of Pyramid w/ capstone and the 5779-degree Kelvin temp of the sun.
Jesus Returns in 2019, Isa 19:19 is the Pyramid verse, Rev 19:1 is the Return (all 19′s….interesting).

Review the 18 ‘uncounted yrs’ and minus the 18 yrs from ROSH 2019 (Temple Entrance) to arrive at the legal START of the MILLENNIUM at 2001 (6001), right on schedule (albeit it may be hard to ‘swallow’ such presumption as those 18 ‘uncounted’ yrs).

All is fine w/ the three 1260′s, the 1290, the 1335, the 7 mths, exact 7 Jewish yrs trib, the 2300 and the 2550. But, WOW!…..Jesus surely is handling all of this in the ‘FULLNESS of TIME.’ Remember that the Red Sea opened up at the LAST SECOND before death to the Hebrews. He waited til the last minute for everything else too.

If we’re still here late tomorrow, I’ve done all this study for nothing and likely discouraged fellow watchers!…..SO SORRY!!…..been fun while it lasted, though………..and after tomorrow (as I ‘ponder a post-trib Rapture’…ugh!…..as if it matters!) I may tune in to Jim Bakker’s show for my 7-yr supply of food!….the chocolate pudding w/ its 20 ingredients looks especially good; then I may also tune in to Irvin Baxter’s scarey end-times program and try to glean any hope for possible survival as I prepare for enduring the opening of the horrific seals & the dreadful vials to be poured out upon the earth. I just hate for these 2 guys to have the ‘last say’…………

J.H.
Oh yes…..and Elijah and Moses RISE on PURIM (II Adar 14) 2016, Mar 24. I can’t leave that out!
Nando




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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Looking what happened today, no big earthquakes so far then I would almost say that NO this is not yet the start of the tribulation.

Though we still have few hours left to prove that and anything can change in the last few hours...

The "7 year tribulation" is the result of misinterpretation of Daniel's Weeks prophecy- it doesn't exist in biblical prophecy at all - only in the misunderstadnings of the some church traditions. At some point everyone will have to realize that common understanding of prophecy is completely in error, through and through. This is the way it was at the first coming, and this will repeat at the second coming: once again traditional expectations based on misunderstanding of prophecy will cause the truth to be rejected in favor of retaining the traditional understanding, which is corrupted by false teachings of many false teachers.



Obama is not the antichrist; the antichrist is the Catholic Jesus- the pope is the vicar of Antichrist. The Catholic Jesus is "another Jesus" not at all represetative of the TRUE Jesus Christ, but is a Babylonian imitation of Jesus Christ.



The first seal is the revelation/parousia of "that Wicked" and will be seen by everyone- it will be LIKE LIGHTNING and appear as nothing less than the second coming of Jesus Christ- a Catholic apocalypse. This will begin on the 10th day of the 10th month. He will come with his angels in judgment against the churches, to deceive them into worshipping him as Lord and Christ. Everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life will worship him as Jesus Christ- King of Israel: but he in reality is NOT Jesus Christ King of Israel, he is Satan the King of Babel.

Ps 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



It should not be difficult to see, as the apostle Paul plainly taught that the rapture occurs at the second coming, the parousia of the Lord- and NOT at the parousia of that Wicked.

I am not certain of the exact year of the second coming (though the exact time of year is the 7th month), though it appears that the only reasonable conclusion is Sept 23, 2015



None of these things- food hoarding, weapons hoarding, gold/silver hoarding- are of any use whatsoever. What is to come has nothing to do with global physical destruction whatsoever; this is not an earthly war to come it is a SPIRITUAL WAR- this is not earthly destruction to come it is SPIRITUAL JUDGMENT: only ONLY knowledge of the WORD OF GOD will allow one to escape the coming judgment: KNOWLEDGE

You'll find no seven years tribulation in the book of Revelation. The tribulation is actually 42 months. Trace through Revelation to find their equivalents (1260 days, time, times, 1/2 a time).

Elijah's revelation and prophecy is that the 3 days of darkness will precede the three days of darkness, caused by Nibiru's eclipsing the Sun,

......then the resurrection of the bride, the 42-months reign of Anti-Christ, and the 1260 days (30 days x 42 months) of the two witnesses, Moses (The Law) and Elijah (The Prophets), begins in Israel.