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One important point that needs to be explained:
Why did Satan have access to the throne room of the God Almighty to give accusation to Job if he had been thrown out from Heaven? He had no longer access to heaven if he had been thrown out from heaven at that time.
Satan I think will be thrown out from heaven soon after the war in heaven and when it happens, we humans who believe in Yahshua will go up and Satan will go down to the earth and make horrible the earth as a horrible place to live.
Currently we are still having a beautiful morning, the sun goes up and sets at the right time with beautiful picture. We are still feeling the warm of the sun, the green pasteur etc. ... No, I believe when Satan has been really thrown out from heaven, no longer the earth will be a nice place to live but as a hell ...
Steven, re your two posts:
As was mentioned, the Gap theory is just that, unproven.
About using discernment, I learned many years ago to not follow the writings of man, but to look only to the Word of God, i.e. the 1611 KJV.
If the readers of this thread who are in doubt would just reread what we have written and pray over it, given the insight of the Holy Spirit, they will learn the truth of the matter given from the very Word of God.
Before I recognized Elijah as God's called prophet ten years ago, my theology was based upon the Word of God and nothing else. So when I began to read Elijah's messages with my usual critical eye and discernment and saw they were backed up with biblical truths, I recognized those hard truths were given by a man of God, but moreso, a true prophet sent of God for this time, Malachi 4:4-6. Teaching about the keeping of the Ten Commandments and observing the seventh day of the week Sabbath is part of that ministry to which he has been faithful.
By the way, as a Tishbite, Elijah was called directly of God, and has found he has relatives in Tishbe in Gilead whom he has visited who do recognize him as one of their own, a Tishbite and a fellow Hebrew. So you see, he did not call himself. God did.
I still don't think Satan has been thrown out from Heaven to the earth BUT I believe Satan has been degraded his position in Heaven. Satan now dwells in kind of second heaven while the God Almighty dwells in the third heaven. Since Satan dwells in second heaven, he still has access to the earth till he would be thrown totally from the heaven.
Part of the punishment of Satan, I believe is the degradation of him step by step until finally he would be totally in hell. The first thing was done years ago when he was thrown out from the third heaven, he was no longer serving as the one that giving praise to the Most High. Satan was expelled from the third heaven to the second heaven till today.
Later on, when the rapture happens, Satan has to be thrown out again from the second heaven to the earth and that will be literally hell on earth, the seven years tribulation which we believe that all believers will be lifted up to heaven except unbelieving Israel as a country. This will regard the final years of what book of Revelation has told us, the Armageddon war. After that Satan will be thrown down again to the pit and after 1000 years pass, for a short time period he will be rise again to the final battle God and Magog before forever thrown out from the earth and the pit toward the forever hell and no longer earth exists but the new earth and the new heaven.
I think we agree to disagree about this matter.
I lean agreement toward Gimel explanation on this topic.....
Thanks for posting!
Steven, we got some discussion going! Hay! How cool is that?
I agree and disagree too, but have not said about what. A mystery.
If I cant explain it with the word then I will not say.
Thank you for allowing us to express ourselves here.
Peace and blessings to everybody,
"If the readers of this thread who are in doubt would just reread what we have written and pray over it, given the insight of the Holy Spirit, they will learn the truth of the matter given from the very Word of God.
Before I recognized Elijah as God's called prophet ten years ago, my theology was based upon the Word of God and nothing else. So when I began to read Elijah's messages with my usual critical eye and discernment and saw they were backed up with biblical truths, I recognized those hard truths were given by a man of God, but moreso, a true prophet sent of God for this time, Malachi 4:4-6."
"Before I recognized Elijah as God's called prophet"
Scribe, tell me the story of how you recognised Elijah, please.
( I/myself recognised he was a man worth listening too, because he was firmly (more harsh than usual) run off of Christian and non- christian web boards. )
"Pray over it"-
You asked me to do a search on your web site for more understanding, I searched "spirits" and did not understand and got very angry and frustrated too. I prayed and then next day I began to see more clerly. I was so angry , at first. I saw nothing.
I dont know why I kept looking.
But perhaps it was because the wicked web site ran you off because they knew who you were? The enemy sees clearer than the saints sometimes. ( What a strange thing to say? but Scribe will understand. )
It states plainly 1 John 2: 3-5 which is the answer to what
Mt.7: 21-23 means,
and I am still chewing.
This is not what we were taught in the churches, but who would expect to find truth their? Jesus biggest problem was in the church/ synogoge/ the house of God's people so why would we be any diferent from them?
Jesus walked with his deciples and then he died and nothing happened like they thought it ought.
Before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes,
I will send you the prophet Elijah...
A long time ago I decided to believe the bible.
and if I could not believe,
then I would pretend to believe.
so I pretended to believe and gave my money away
got a blessing - but the math does not work.
Less is more.
The head will lead us into a ditch, but the spirit will lead us on the narrow way.
"It took much time, months at least, to gain an understanding about 'angelic spirits' that I had mentioned to you. It's not something one can grasp in a day or two, so I understand your frustration. "
I could not see untill I prayed.
I got part of it but only after I prayed. There is more I missed, - but that one scripture in Zech, wow. How cool is that?
Jesus was here before he was born and talked to Abraham, I knew this from before - his word tells us these things. Before he was he was. His two friends in the end of the book (Revelation) are his two friends in the beginning of the book.( with him when he spoke to Abe.) He is the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega.
Evil spirits can enter people and be cast out, Jesus cast out wicked spirits.
Good spirits can enter men, Jesus has the holy spirit enter him when he was baptized by John.
We are changed from who we are to something else, our body is our house not us,(for we are spirit) The one woman will marry which dead guy in heaven? Jesus said you do not understand, it will be different in heaven.
God is holy. Since fleash is corrupt,it can not enter heaven.
Thats like saying my house must be left behind;
and my car and my stuff, why should this be a surprise?
I found this in my daily bible reading
2 Cor 12
14 Years ago, a man in Christ went to heaven
whether in body or out of body (spirit of the man)
I cannot tell; God knows...
Put on the new man, Ephesians 4:24. You won't want to have anything to do with the old man.
I fought with the old man, and too many days he won ;I prayed ... I fought...
Someone gave me some deliverance prayers and bind the devil prayers, and then
I foudn victory. But I have to continue to pray them and lock the door on the enemy or he comes back.
I have Masons in my family tree, so maybe the battle is hotter in my camp:?
...and I have had demons cast out of me and they come back,
find the house swept clean, and go get 7 more wicked than themself.. so it is written. Be on guard, for the enemy goes about as a hungery lion seeking whom he may devour.
Getting back to the theme of this thread, here's something for Christians to watch for:
When the three days of darkness comes, then watch for the sign of the descent of the Bright Star (Lord Jesus) with the key to release Satan from the bottomless pit, Revelation 9:1, then know immediately after that, Antichrist, empowered by Satan, Revelation 13:2, will begin his 42 months of rule; and also the 42 months ministry of the two witnesses begins, Revelation 11:2.
It is at that same precise time, the bride shall be removed, Revelation 12:14."
Remember Jesus' claim in Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Revelation 20:1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand,
v. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years."