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Is America Babylon?

Will America be distroyed in one hour? What does that mean? Is that like Sodom and Gomorrah (Jeremiah 50: 40) (completely gone? because of fire from heaven? ) or like Israel during the Babyolonian captivity where a remenant was left in the land?

Rev. 18, Jeremiah 50 and 51

Flee out of Babylon, Jeremaih 51: 6

Come out of her my people Rev. 18: 4

Who is Babylon and how do we come out of her?
Is she the church and /or nation on the wrong road?

Do you have any comments or feedback?

Re: Is America Babylon?

Kevin Mirasi (11 July 2012)
"A Dream Where I Was Shown That The United States of America Would Be No More!!! In a Couple Of Very Few Months"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/kevinm711.htm

Praise the LORD Doves,


And while still in the supernatural dream (Vision of the night) while observing this Television channel, I was made to understand via a very powerful voice (The voice of the LORD) that within a couple of very few months, the United States of America would be No More!!!. (Most likely destroyed).

Read more about this in the link below:

http://injesuschrististand.blogspot.com/2012/07/dream-where-i-was-shown-that-united.html

SHALOM!!!



Jimmy (12 July 2012)
"Kevin Mirasi.."America,the Babylon""

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/jimmy712.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoiHuNaEIjs
This link gives a presentation given to "The Prophecy Club" in the late 90's. It is a 2 1/2 hour presentation. I have studied this material almost exhaustively for the last 18-19 years. R A Coombes who has spent the last 30 years or so of his life in this area of prophecy, I believe has written the book on this subject. "America,the Babylon", I read his book 7-8 years ago, and I recently purchased his updated version on CD-Rom. He produces a prophecy report called A O Report, just google and find it. I have been up most of the night, and if this drags, please forgive me. There are numerous scholars through the years who have done in-depth study of this material. There was a Pastor Frank Logsdin? who I have heard did a study in the 50-60's about America, the Babylon. Dr Jack Van Impe and Joe Good of Hativka Ministries did material on this subject in the last 20 years. Two gentleman have been on Trunews with Rick Wiles in the last couple of months presenting their material. John Price has written a new book "The End of America" and Allen Bonck has also written a book in the last few years "America, the Daughter of Babylon". There is a country that is described in Jeremiah 50 and 51 that is attacked from the North by an assembly of nations. If one takes their bible and reads these passages of scripture one would be hard pressed not to see America being described. This country is destroyed for many reasons, but the final straw is she turns her back on Israel when she comes under attack. The Ezekiel 38-39 invasion of Israel is from an assembly of nations that attack from the North. In Jeremiah this nation is described as the "Hindermost" of the nations. My understanding is that Rabbi's through the years, have understood this to be the last of the great nations, a young nation compared to others in the world. The Hammer of the Earth, the Policeman of the world, a mingled people from her beginning, war like from her beginning, a very wealth nation beyond comparison, who sits on many waters. The scriptures go on and on describing this nation. I have been telling people for years it is either Rapture or Radiation. I Love my Country, but I see no other way. I have chewed the "Cud" on this for years to use an ole country term. I will give the scripture references Jeremiah 50 & 51, Isaiah 13, 14, 18, 47 and 48:20, Revelation 16: 17-21, Rev. 17 and 18. There are two gentlemen who have had visions of the destruction of America, Dumitru Duduman and Henry Gruver. With all this said I have to agree with Kevin Mirasi..the decree will be fulfilled. The thing that got my attention though is the timing. Several of these scholars have the attack taking place in or around Rosh Hashanah, and we are in that time frame. It is a little over 2 months away. This is a short version. I do believe that the "Body of Christ" is removed before or during this attack. Keep Looking Up..Jesus is coming......Jimmy

Re: Is America Babylon?

Gino (13 July 2012)
"RE: Jimmy & Kevin: FiveDoves: 07.12.12: America, the Babylon"


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/gino713-1.htm

Jimmy and Kevin,
Thank you for breaking this all down and listing those various sources. I have also seen the bulk of the resources that you listed. I agree with you, with those you listed, and those on FiveDoves who have also said the same thing.
I no longer consider a rebuilt, ancient Mesopotamian Babylon as the fulfillment of Rev 17 & 18. Ancient Babylon is not a mystery. We as Christians are stewards of the mysteries, and are as such, required to know them first, in order to do the work of a steward. They appear to be new testament oriented, related to Jesus Christ, the "pro", as well as the "anti", mysteries. The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven (Matt 13), the mystery of the Trinity (Col 2:2), the mystery of the rapture of the church (I Cor 15:51), the mystery of the church (Col 1:26-27), the mystery of the blindness in part of Israel during the church age while even Gentiles are being saved (Rom 11:25), the mystery of the seven stars and golden candlesticks (Rev 1:20), the mystery of his will (Eph 1:9), the mysteries of the two sons: the Son of God - the mystery of Godliness - God manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) vs the son of perdition - the mystery of iniquity (2Thes 2:7), and the mysteries of the two women: the mystery of the bride of Christ (Eph 5:25-32) vs the mystery of the ***** (Rev 17&18). There are other mysteries, but this short list shows clear enough, how the mysteries, hid, but hinted to, in the old testament, but revealed in the new testament, are all related to the Jesus Christ, and as such they are understood in that relationship to Jesus Christ. Therefore the ***** revealed in Rev 17&18, is a ***** as she relates to Jesus Christ in her *****doms, not as an ancient foe of Israel relating to tribulation Israel. All the ancient foes of Israel were prophesied repeatedly in the old testament that they would come against Israel in the last days - these were old testament prophecies to be fulfilled, not new testament mysteries relating to Jesus. Both the old testament prophecies about Israel, as well as the new testament mysteries related to Jesus Christ, will all find their conclusion in the Lord, as he brings both testaments to perfection in himself.
The only thing that used to throw me, was Babylon's blood guiltiness:
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In trying to understand this, I remembered the following:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

How did all that blood, going back to Cain killing Abel, come upon the Jewish nation of the Pharisees & Sadducees?
Both the Northern & Southern kingdoms had gone a whoring from the LORD, and had rejected the blood covenant of redemption given to them, above all the peoples of the earth. The Southern kingdom had come back from captivity. Since they turned their backs on the blood of the old covenant, then it was blood put back on them. They had forgotten the tenth plague, where the blood of the lamb protected their firstborn, now instead of blood covering & blood protection, they had blood guiltiness.
So, then when the new testament woman goes a whoring from Jesus Christ, they reject the blood of the new covenant, and the result of:
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Is again blood guiltiness, coming upon the generation of judgment:
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.



People show what they think of the book of Revelation by what they call it. I hear more people call the book, "revelations", rather than, "Revelation". They think of it as a collection of secrets about the future, as if it was like a collection of Nostradamus prophecies or Chinese fortune cookies. However, it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, it's all about him!! Like what is said in Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,)
The way to understand everything in the book of Revelation is in context of how it relates to Jesus Christ, good or bad. To borrow an expression from Dickens, therein is a tale of two cities, as well as a tale of two women. One is earthly, while the other is heavenly - one has a bright & everlasting future, while the other has a terrible end - one is related to the mystery of godliness, God manifest in the flesh, the Word, while the other is related to the mystery of iniquity, the Wicked - one woman goes a whoring from him, breaking his heart, like OT Israel did, while the other woman blesses his heart, like prophetically shown in the Song of Solomon, and marries him - the one city is for the bride, the church, the mystery hid from the foundation of the world, revealed in the new testament, while the other city is also a mystery, hid until John wrote about it, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT".
Again, everything about this woman needs to be understood in the context of Jesus Christ, it's all about him. So, this woman's *****doms are against Jesus Christ - and like Israel in the old testament, who also went a whoring from the LORD, she had been great, mighty, and wealthy because of the LORD, but she went after her lovers instead of him - so likewise, this woman must needs have been made great, mighty, and wealthy by Jesus Christ, because she originally was his. Then she ends up as a fallen woman, and the city/nation ends up fallen, fallen - both spiritually/morally as well as physically/politically/economically/militarily. Who else could it be?
Also, all other nations in history were made wealthy by the others, but it says about her that the others were made wealthy by her. Who else could it be?
Who else started as a city on a hill, a Christian nation, a light to the nations. Who else was started by the church, the surviving remnant, that escaped the fires of martyrdom in Europe, to come to a new land? Who else began like that, but then became the greatest exporter of pornography, sodomy, drug money - who actually held & killed so many slaves, even after so many of them had become their brothers in the Lord, after they were saved? Who after a horrible Civil War, that set the slaves free, yet after a full 100 years refused to repent, by keeping Jim Crowe Laws? Who else had such a great revival leading to so many 2nd births in her, and who also had such an open door for so many missionaries, where countless millions around the world came to the 2nd birth - but then turned to murder over 60 million innocents in their mothers' wombs, to prevent even their 1st births?
Who else could this woman and this city be?
Gino

Re: Is America Babylon?

Michael Colunga (13 July 2012)
"Re: Cathy D--"Thermonuclear War ~ The Sudden Destruction of Babylon""

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/michaelc713-2.htm


Esther (13 July 2012)
"A picture that would shock and stun Americans"


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/esther713.htm

Re: Is America Babylon?

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Rome, Italy is the home of religious Babylon, and Washington D.C. has become the home of military Babylon. Most people today, including Christians, do not see beyond the hand of men to perceive that there is a malevolent spiritual force that is ruling upon the earth. The apostle Paul stated:

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Satan has had millennia to lay the plans for his conquest of the earth, preparing the world for the hour when he would set himself forth to be openly worshiped by mankind. The Scriptures declare that this event will occur at the end of the age, an hour we have now entered into.

Revelation 13:4
So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast...

It is necessary to provide a view of Satan’s world government that is not taught in the schools today, but which is nevertheless accurate and true. Satan has long ruled through deception. He is the great deceiver who deceives the entire world. Satan has centered his power on the earth in three hubs of power which are three cities. These cities form the unholy trinity of Satan’s rule upon earth. The first is religious Babylon. The second economic Babylon. The third is military Babylon.
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Washington Monument, Washington D.C.

The Washington Monument is the largest obelisk in the world. It was designed and built under the auspices of American Freemasonry. These monuments mark the three power hubs of Satan’s kingdom upon earth. This year, 2012, America will spend more for her military than all other nations of the earth combined. Satan is truly centralizing his power upon the earth, and it is truly said, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to make war with him?” (Revelation 13:4).

http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/babylon-rising-part-five-tisha-bav-and.html

Re: Is America Babylon?

Apocrypha: 2 Esdras Chapter 16
1 Woe be unto thee, Babylon, and Asia! woe be unto thee, Egypt and Syria!
2 Gird up yourselves with cloths of sack and hair, bewail your children, and be sorry; for your destruction is at hand.
3 A sword is sent upon you, and who may turn it back?
4 A fire is sent among you, and who may quench it?
5 Plagues are sent unto you, and what is he that may drive them away?
6 May any man drive away an hungry lion in the wood? or may any one quench the fire in stubble, when it hath begun to burn?
7 May one turn again the arrow that is shot of a strong archer?
8 The mighty Lord sendeth the plagues and who is he that can drive them away?
9 A fire shall go forth from his wrath, and who is he that may quench it?
10 He shall cast lightnings, and who shall not fear? he shall thunder, and who shall not be afraid?
11 The Lord shall threaten, and who shall not be utterly beaten to powder at his presence?
12 The earth quaketh, and the foundations thereof; the sea ariseth up with waves from the deep, and the waves of it are troubled, and the fishes thereof also, before the Lord, and before the glory of his power:
13 For strong is his right hand that bendeth the bow, his arrows that he shooteth are sharp, and shall not miss, when they begin to be shot into the ends of the world.
14 Behold, the plagues are sent, and shall not return again, until they come upon the earth.
15 The fire is kindled, and shall not be put out, till it consume the foundation of the earth.
16 Like as an arrow which is shot of a mighty archer returneth not backward: even so the plagues that shall be sent upon earth shall not return again.
17 Woe is me! woe is me! who will deliver me in those days?
18 The beginning of sorrows and great mournings; the beginning of famine and great death; the beginning of wars, and the powers shall stand in fear; the beginning of evils! what shall I do when these evils shall come?

Snip more here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2016.htm

Whats happening in America?

...everyone of the 21 plagues are going on right now from lime disease, the plague of lice, Gulf war syndrome, Death of the first born, e coli 0154 plague of the animals, ********** Plague of hail mingled with fire, MSNBC, CNN, & Fox news, the plague of frogs that came up into peoples houses, total crop loss in the entire midwest.

IT IS ALL HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES YOU ARE JUST BLIND AND MISSLEAD. WE ARE NOw ENTERING THE LAST PHASE OF END TIMES THIS IS WHEN GLOBAL WAR TAKES THE NATIONS OF THE GENTILES AND DESTROYS THEM!

From LOP Lunatic Outpost discussion thread

RE: Bible prophecy unfolding as we speak concerning Syria?

On death of the firstborn, our babies are dieing because of *********

Also research Gulf blue Plague on u –tube

Warning LOP is NOT a Christianforum

Plague of the animals, bird-fish-cattle-sheep and goat deaths. Colorado fires 2012-fire falling from the sky, in Austraila (about 2007- 09 ) fire falling from the sky 3 miles from the wildfires. Last year, spring 2011 in Idaho could not plant the spring wheat because of too much rain.( We feed the world, here in Idaho.) People in New Mexico driven from their homes because of toxic fires, 2000 and 2012.

My source-check my old threads at RFTH ( if still there? ) were disappeared last time I checked though) , news from the web, U – tube, conspiracy sites, HorseDressage discussion board on the Aussie Fires, I asked How could fire overtake people in automobiles fleeing the fire? The fires traveled faster than 60 miles an hour, I think about 100 miles an hour. In Aussie Land you had to leave way before the fire storm or stay in your fireproof bunker prepared ahead of time. . Since 2000 they have been managing our us National Forest to burn) Range Magazine for what is happening in the West.( Farm and Ranch news) Oh, and the trees also good bugs in our soil are dieing, What in the World are they Spraying? DVD. And u-tube 3 Toxic metals-

Cut an onion and put it in your house, it will turn black as it absorbs bad stuff and keep you from the flu.

Have You Seen This Video? Chemtrails to Pseudo-Life: Dark Agenda Of Synthetic Biology on u-tube

This is so in depth, even the most prominent of doubt-tards have to admit, chemtrails are real and they have a very real purpose. They're not just trying something out. They did that years ago. Now they're really implementing a plan. EVERYBODY needs to watch this. Crazy ___ stuff in this video...and all backed up with research and documentation. This has blown me away. I was already a believer. Now there's more to it...more to understanding exactly what is really going on-

from my i-net friend ( I can’t watch u- tube anymore.)

Deut. 28

psm 51 psm 139: 23-24

Re: Is America Babylon?

On death of the firstborn, our babies are dieing because of *********


the Japan accident

Re: Is America Babylon?

of the animals, ********** Plague of hail mingled with fire,

also the Japan accident , blessu.shima or something

from 5 doves-

Jimmy (14 July 2012)
"Gino: America, the Babylon and Aborted Babies"


Thank you for your reply. John Price addresses one of these issues in his new book "The End of America". When Roe vs Wade became law in America, it was exported to the World. I shamefully realize we have killed 60-70 Million babies? Mr Price did some research. What America did as time went on was each country that wanted our Aid, they had to agree to aborting babies. We tied the money to the killing of babies. So we made abortion a world wide business. Mr Price in his research estimates that America is responsible for approximately 1 Billion aborted babies world wide. Lord have mercy on us...Keep Looking Up, Jimmy

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2012/jimmy714-1.htm

Re: Is America Babylon?

There is abortion in my family, in my church and in my nation, and we have forgotton your ways oh Lord.

WE taught the world to sin, but we were to be such a great light for the nations...

Lord, forgive us.

Lord, can you forgive us?



How can you forgive us?

WE had such great light, we had so many Bibles...

Re: Is America Babylon?

I grow faint, when I hear what God is planning,
afraid to look, afraid to know what i know.

A message about Babylon, Isaiah 21: 1-10

Isaiah was the naked and barefoot prophet.
Isaish 20: 1-6



I grow faint, when I hear what God is planning,
afraid to look... Isaiah 21:3b

Re: Is America Babylon?

Isaiah 24:1-6 New Living Translation (NLT)

Destruction of the Earth
24 Look! The LORD is about to destroy the earth
and make it a vast wasteland.
He devastates the surface of the earth
and scatters the people.
2 Priests and laypeople,
servants and masters,
maids and mistresses,
buyers and sellers,
lenders and borrowers,
bankers and debtors—none will be spared.
3 The earth will be completely emptied and looted.
The LORD has spoken!
4 The earth mourns and dries up,
and the crops waste away and wither.
Even the greatest people on earth waste away.
5 The earth suffers for the sins of its people,
for they have twisted God’s instructions,
violated his laws,
and broken his everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore, a curse consumes the earth.
Its people must pay the price for their sin.
They are destroyed by fire,
and only a few are left alive.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+24%3A1-6&version=NLT

2 Tim. 2: 19: NLT /ESV/Aramic Bible

But God's truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: "The LORD knows those who are his," and "All who belong to the LORD must turn away from evil./ But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity./ everyone who calls on the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH separate from evil.”

http://bible.cc/2_timothy/2-19.htm

2 Tim. 3: 16 NIV

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Rev. 14: 12, Psm 51



Come out of Babylon, oh my people.

Re: Is America Babylon?

3/7/08

From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord to the United States:

Obama shall lead you. And by him shall My will and judgment against your nation be fulfilled, for all its forsaking of Me and My Israel...

And so I have brought from among your enemy even one

from Ishmael, to rule over you for a time and a season, foreordained, until that foretold is accomplished and the king of fierce countenance rules. Then, by that deception conceived of by your enemy and this transgressor, him being full of lofty

and elevated words, lies and dark speeches sold as hope, will it return against him ten-fold of the same, by him called Perdition.
Yet remember this: Nothing exists outside of Me, says The Lord, neither does anything continue outside My will; for even the evil of this present world is set

within the confines of My will. For evil acts and brings forth of its own, yet is unaware that nothing is hidden before Me; neither has anything come to pass, nor will be, that I have not already beheld... And this, O arrogant and deceived generation, is why I said, “All was written and completed, even before the foundation of the world.”

For I am God! THE GOD!...

The God of Abraham,
The God of Isaac,
The God of Jacob!....

The God of all!...

Even of all that is known and unknown,
The Creator of all things...
The Everlasting, who is from everlasting to everlasting...

I AM.

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