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Bruce Baber (30 June 2012)
"High watch date Tu B'Av (the happiest Jewish holiday in ancient times)... Aug 2-3 this year"

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Last year ( 2011 ) was a year filled with high expectations. It was 63 years since the rebirth of Israel. Subtracting 7 years of tribulation from 70 years for a generation ( Psalm 90: vs.10 ) then last year surely looked spot on. There certainly were enough clear signs that seemed to support that conclusion as well. Huge earthquakes, wars, rumors of wars, movement towards a one world economic system, and so much more. Yet there was one parable spoken by Jesus that alluded to waiting one extra year...


Luke 13:6-9

6 And he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 And he said to the vinedresser, `Lo, these three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down; why should it use up the ground?' 8 And he answered him, `Let it alone, sir, this year also, till I dig about it and put on manure. 9 And if it bears fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'



I don't know if this points to our having to wait until this year, but it might be so. If so, then our hope that the rapture will be this year is well founded.


Like many others I was again watching most expectantly for the rapture this spring. Yet, still we are here. Lately there has been a lot posted on the month of Av. Further developments in Syria, the world's economies and so forth all have us sitting on the edge of our seats.


As Tu B'Av approaches, the holiday regarded by the ancient Jews as the happiest of all the holidays, we need to be on high alert. Tu B'Av was when the virgins dressed in white and danced in the vineyards to attract husbands. Some rabbis see Tu B'Av as when the Messiah chooses a bride as well. ( You can view the link I have previously posted to find out more about that. For brevity start watching about 49 or 50 minutes in, but watch the whole thing if you can). The holiday of Tu B'Av commemorated when the Jews no longer had to sleep in their graves as punishment for rejecting the the spies (Midrash) and followed Joshua into the promised land. These are all parallels, or pictures of the rapture.


Every year I post information on Tu B'Av in hopes that more people will include it as a high watch date. This year, I do so again. I have also posted a great deal in previous years on Rabbi Kaduri's predictions. I know that if we get word that Ariel Sharon has passed away in the upcoming weeks, it might be the wake up call to be ready. We'll have to wait and see.



Tu B'Av occurs on August 2 / 3 this year. We can't be one hundred percent certain it is the date of the rapture, but it could well be. It most assuredly is a high watch date on my calendar.



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Joe M (6 July 2012)
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Doves,

According to this website, Tisha B'Av is the culmination of a three week period of increased mourning. I also saw a website stating that the three weeks starts on July 6 at sundown. Although my calculations would be July 7 at sundown. Anyway, if this is true and the rapture is on Tisha B'Av July 28-29, then the mourning is about to begin and with increasing intensity. So the next three weeks we'll see, starting Friday night or Saturday night.

Joe

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Linda Lu (9 July 2012)
"Connetion to 9th of Av to Olympics in London"


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Click here: parablesblog: Babylon Rising - Part Five Tisha B’Av and Rise of the Dragon




Click here: 2012 Zion Olympics in London Coincide with Tisha B’Av - Commemoration of the Destruction of the Temples in Jerusal


Curious about 9th of Av and i found these two site.

LindaLu

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Marilyn Agee (9 July 2012)
"POSSIBLE DATE OF RAPTURE, AV 9/10"


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Hi:

Thanks for your help and prayers. I reclined while watching TV for so long while recovering from cataract surgery that my hips hurt after a three-stop trip. I need more exercise. It was sure nice to be able to drive again.

Just now, I took the black background off of my computer. It was obscuring a box I had to click on to renew Norton. I now can see a white background with black letters instead of a blinding sunshine yellow background that obscured the letters. It looked that way to me because my cataracts were orange.

After surgery, the left eye tested 20/30, the right one 20/54. However, now that more time has gone by, the right eye can see better than the left one, so I have pretty good sight now and my glasses still work well. Thank you Lord.

POSSIBLE DATE OF RAPTURE, AV 9/10

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri not only said that the Messiah is Yeshua, but that he dreamed that Yeshua said he would return in Av, 5772. That could indicate a First-Trump Rapture on the same days the Temple burned two times, Av 9 and 10.

The Jews say the temple was burned twice on Av 9. Of the burning of the temple by the Babylonians, Jer 52:12,13 says, “Now in the fifth month (AV), in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, 13 And burned the house of the LORD”.

In 70 AD, a burning torch was thrown into a window on Av 9 and the sanctuary proper burst into full flame on Av 10. Titus was unable to save the Temple at that point. It was a roaring inferno.

9th of Av, 5772 = Sat, 28 July 2012.
10th of Av, 5772 = Sun, 29 July 2012
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IN THE PREVIEW, JOHN ACTED OUT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON SUNDAY

In Rev 1:9-11, John said, “I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (i.e., in the first half), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's day (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet (i.e., the FIRST TRUMP), 11 Saying, I (Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last”. Jesus was both LORD of the Old Testament and lord of the New Testament.

Isa 44:6 says, “Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH the redeemer, the YHWH of hosts, Jesus ); and beside me there is no God”.

The 10th of Av, 5772, is SUNDAY, 29 July 2012. It starts at 6 PM on Av 9. Could that be the date of the First-Trump Rapture? There would still be time to build the Temple before Mid-Trib, Nov 8/9, 2012. It only takes 3 months (August, September, October, or Av, Elul, Tishri).

Maybe the literal Temple cannot be built until we are gone. If so, we should be out of here soon.

WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD

1Co_3:17 says, “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”
1Co_6:19 says, “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you”
2Co_6:16 says, “ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

I am now looking forward hopefully to SUNDAY, 29 July 2012. The number 29 means departure.

Agape,
Marilyn Agee




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Jennie (24 July 2012)
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A year ago, the Lord gave me a Very Strong Vision. He placed in my RIGHT HAND, a hand full of WHEAT. When I looked down, I KNEW IT WAS IMPORTANT AND THE RAPTURE WAS AT HAND!!

Everyone is talking about TU B' AV which is August 3rd. I read this is the END OF THE WHEAT HARVEST.


The second Major Vision I had was a Peasant from the old days handing me a SCROLL!! On the Scroll was an INVITATION TO A HARVEST FESTIVAL. I felt in my spirit at that moment, IT WAS THE WHEAT HARVEST!!!


I believe Jesus showed me that the Rapture will happen at the END OF THE WHEAT HARVEST SOMETIME!!

WE NEED TO BE READY NOW!!! HE IS COMING YSIC JENNIE



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Renee M (23 July 2012)
"Why I believe Tu B'Av (August 3, 2012) will be the Rapture of the Church"


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Why I believe Tu B'Av (August 3, 2012) will be the Rapture of the Church:



It all started 11 1/2 years ago. On January 3, 2001, actually it was already the 4th, at just after midnight, the Spirit of God spoke very clearly to me and said these exact words: "You will be as John the Baptist and will write something that will save millions of people from the deception that is about to take place." Sometime between then and January 6th, the Lord told me to wait for Him to come on the night of January 6, 2001. I wrote to many people telling them that the Rapture would take place on January 6/7, 2001, because that was what I thought the Lord was telling me. I sat on my couch that night, just talking and listening to the Lord. We were having a wonderful time together and His presence was very strong. At midnight, I began to feel a little sleepy and asked Him how much longer until He came. He said to wait just a little longer. At around 12:10 am my body began to shake violently for I would guess about a minute. Then it stopped just as suddenly as it started. The presence of God was all over me. I asked the Lord what had just happened and His reply was, "Just wait." About a minute or so later, it happened AGAIN, the violent shaking started for maybe a minute or so, with God's presence all over me. But this time, it was a little different because on the second shaking, my mouth began to tingle, like the feeling when your foot falls asleep. I asked the Lord why my mouth was tingling like that and He said this, "This represents Isaiah, when He saw me and the coal touched His lips and his sin was atoned for." Once again, it stopped suddenly after about a minute or so. I asked the Lord, "What were those 2 shakings?" I thought maybe something had happened right at those 2 moments in the world. I really did not understand it at all. The only reply from the Lord was, "Go and study the Feasts."

That was it. No more revelation or understanding in 11 1/2 years. For over 11 years, I have been trying to understand the meaning of it all, and have been carrying a burden because I know the Lord expects me to write something that will help save millions of people from a coming deception and that it has to do with those 2 shakings. Finally, after 11 1/2 years, I now believe that the Lord has given me the revelation of what it all means. And it all points to the 15th of Av - Tu B'Av 2012 as the Firstfruits Rapture of the Church!

January 6, 2001, at midnight, was exactly 6 days after the New Year's Celebration. Although the world celebrated the New Millennium the year before, it actually should have been celebrated on January 1, 2001. That was the actual day that ushered in the "New Millennium" on our calendar. The fireworks went off at midnight, just like the fireworks will go off at midnight at the opening of the Olympics ceremony next week. The Lord has been pointing me to this day as it starts the 9th of Av, right as the fireworks are going off. After writing to some people about the Opening Ceremony, I turned on the TV and within 10 minutes, saw these two phrases:

1. When the Games begin
2. Let the games begin

There could be something huge that takes place at that time, or within a day or two, since the 9th and 10th of Av are the saddest days in Jewish history. But, it was 6 days after the fireworks went off at midnight on January 1, 2001, that I had those 2 shakings, again right after midnight. Six days after the 9th of Av is the 15th of Av, which happens to be a Jewish festival day, called Tu B'Av. I will try to explain later how Tu B'Av is a perfect representation of the resurrection of the dead and Rapture of the Church. For now, I will just say that Tu B'Av is a minor feast day and I had only studied the major feasts in Israel. I only learned about this feast yesterday! I believe the reason Tu B'Av is a minor feast for the Jews is because Tu B'Av is for the CHURCH, not so much for the Jews!

OK, back to the 2 shakings. Why did the first shaking not have the "atonement" part with it and the second one did? I believe the 2 shakings represent the 2 Raptures, the first one will be on Tu B'Av 2012 (August 3) and the second one will take place after the Tribulation period on the Day of Atonement. This is why there were 2 separate shakings. The Lord was pointing me to the 2 Raptures. The second one definitely points to the Day of Atonement, because the Lord said it represented "when Isaiah's sin was atoned for". The first one points to Tu B'Av, because it is 6 days after the fireworks started at midnight.

Here is one article of many showing how the 2 feasts of Tu B'Av and the Day of Atonement are related:

The Talmud teaches us that You have not experienced joy until you have experienced the two happiest days of the year: Tu B'Av and Yom Kippur. For those who do not know about Tu B'Av it is a festive day known in Modern Israel as a Yom Ahavah (Day of Love). It is practically a Jewish Valentines Day!

Rabbi Simeon ben Gamliel said there never were in Israel greater days of joy than the 15th of Av and the Day of Atonement. On these days the daughters of Jerusalem used to walk out in white garments that they borrowed in order not to put to shame anyone who had none. For most of us that have been trained in the somberness of Jewish holidays especially Yom Kippur this description seems odd. It seems so incongruous to imagine these days of dancing and joy associated with Yom Kippur. There is a deep similarity between Yom Kippur and Tu B'Av. Whereas Tisha B'Av is the day when [tradition says] God declared that the Jews would wander 40 years in the desert (until the generation that knew slavery died out), Tu B'Av is the day when, 40 years later, the remaining 15,000 Israelites of the desert generation were told they would be able to enter the Promised Land.


OK, back to the part of the Lord telling me I would be as John the Baptist. This has also been a mystery I have been trying to figure out. I am nothing like John the Baptist. What did the Lord mean by that? I think I finally understand that as well. John the Baptist said this, "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." I believe that John is prophesying here and explaining the beginning of the Church age and the end of the Church age. It all began on Pentecost when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. It all ends on Tu B'Av, at the END of the wheat harvest and beginning of the grape harvest, when He gathers His wheat into the barn and burns the chaff. This is the harvest time, at the end of the wheat season. The festivals point to the beginning and ending of the harvest seasons:

Firstfruits Feast - firstfruits of barley (Jesus fulfilled)
Pentecost - end of barley season/ firstfruits of wheat (fulfilled on Pentecost when Church age started)
Tu B'Av - end of wheat season/firstfruit of grapes (to be fulfilled at first Rapture of the Church)
Day of Atonement - end of grape season (final Rapture of Tribulation Saints)

Revelation 14 says this:
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

I call these people the "purehearts". They are redeemed from the earth at the time of the Rapture. Their hearts are pure and they are blameless. The PURE in heart shall see God. They are offered as FIRSTFRUITS. The firstfruits of grapes, or the New Wine, or the New Covenant. It's at the time of the wheat harvest, the end of the wheat season and beginning of the grape season.

And it's 4 months after Passover. Jesus said, "Do you not say FOUR MORE MONTHS until the Harvest?" Four months from when? From Passover when He gave His disciples the bread (wheat) and wine (grapes), showing the 2 are connected. It's the end of the wheat and beginning of the grapes. Four months from Passover is Tu B'Av.

Boaz and Ruth's wedding is another example of the Rapture/ wedding of the Bride. Boaz represents Jesus as the Kinsman Redeemer and Ruth represents the Church. Ruth 2:14, "And at mealtime Boaz said to her, “Come here and eat some bread and dip your morsel in the wine.” Here we have Boaz (representing Jesus) giving bread and wine to Ruth (the Church). So, when did their wedding take place? Ruth 2:23, "So she kept fast by the maidens of Boaz to glean unto the end of barley harvest and of wheat harvest; and dwelt with her mother in law." Ruth stayed with her mother-in-law until the end of the wheat harvest and then left her mother-in-law to live with her new husband Boaz.

One other clue that the Bible gives us is when Paul in 1 Thessalonians and John in Revelation refer to the Rapture as a "mystery". The Jews refer to Tu B'Av as the most mysterious day of the Jewish calendar.

Another clue from Scripture is this:

Psalm 81:3
Blow the trumpet at the time of the New Moon, At the full moon, on our solemn feast day.


The Jewish people were commanded to blow trumpets on their feast days that fell on a New Moon or Full Moon. The 15th of Av is on a full moon and this is the LAST TRUMPET of the year before the New Year begins for the Jews in September on Rosh Hashanah. Again, Paul mentions the key words, "MYSTERY" and "LAST TRUMPET" in 1 Thessalonians. Either Paul, or God, seems to be pointing us to Tu B'Av by putting these key words in the verses that talk about the resurrection of the dead and rapture of the Church.


Yet ANOTHER clue from Scripture is when Jesus tells us that people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage. There is no day more festive for the Jewish people that then Tu B'Av festival. It is known as the "Day of Love" and similar to Valentine's Day for us. It is the most common day for the Jewish people to have their wedding on! And it's the day when the Jewish virgins go out in the fields to dance, wearing WHITE GARMENTS and DANCE and the young men would come looking for a Bride. Does this not sound like the Rapture?!?!?


And then we have the resurrection of the dead! The Jews while wandering in the desert were according to the Midrash commanded by Moses to sleep in their graves as punishment for not believing the spies who were sent to scout out the promised land. The Jews who slept in their graves each year would arise from their graves and discover that 15,000 of the older generation had died in the night. This continued to happen until all of the older generation had died off. Tu B'Av was celebrated because they knew that at long last they were freed from the curse of the grave and free to enter the promised land under the leadership of Joshua. We all know that the name of Jesus is derived from Joshua. I suspect we all are aware that there is a parallel between the promised land and Heaven. The land flowing with milk and honey. Tu B'Av commemorates when all the chosen people rose from their graves alive!


Someone else on the Doves website pointed out that the tribe of Benjamin was allowed to snatch brides on Tu B'Av and that the word snatched in the Septuagint is harpazo (caught up, Rapture)!


We again see in Micah 7, a hint from Scripture as to the timing of the Rapture:


What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave.2 The faithful have been swept from the land; not one upright person remains. And then in verse 4, Micah says, "The day God visits you has come, the day your watchmen sound the alarm. Now is the time of your confusion." In the fruit harvest, the grapes are first to ripen, so the first ripe of the grapes is the time the "good man" disappears from the earth. Micah is as the time of the Summer fruits of the GRAPE HARVESTING of the vineyard, which is the FIRST RIPE GRAPES. The FIRST RIPE GRAPES is the time of the rapture!!!
Here are 2 very interesting articles I found on the internet that point to Tu B'Av as the most symbolic of festivals for the resurrection of the dead and Rapture of the Church:



Matthew 24:38 “For as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark”

The 15th of Av is the most mysterious day of the Jewish calendar.
The Talmud tells us that many years ago in ancient Israel, it was the custom that on the 15th of Av "the daughters of Jerusalem would go out in borrowed linen garments... and dance in the vineyards" and "whoever did not have a wife would go there" to find himself a bride. The reason they would wear borrowed linen garments was that - those without nice clothes of their own would not be embarrassed.

The “full moon” of the tragic month of Av is the festival of the Future Redemption.
The 15th of Av this year is August 3, 2012 (Summer time)

The 15th of Av is the day where people were celebrating, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage
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Matthew 24:32-33 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree. When his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer (is it rapture?) is nigh: so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near even at the doors”



Another article about Tu B'Av:


The harvest times of God of Barley, Wheat, and Fruit are the ones that have prophetic/spiritual significance.
The first day of the Barley harvest is when Christ rose being the “First Fruits” of those who slept”, thus making the resurrection of Christ and those that slept the prophetic fulfillment of the Barley. This eliminates the rapture of the bride being the Barley!

Then 50 days later, on the first day of the Wheat harvest, the bride of Christ was born making us the “First Fruits” of the wheat. James 1:18 tells us we are a “kind of First Fruits” of God. There are only 3 types of first fruits in in the harvests…


First Fruits of Barley, Wheat, & Grapes…

That is why it says “kind of”, because there are more than one! We, the bride, are the first fruits of the wheat because we were birthed on Pentecost which is when the first fruits of the wheat is harvested!

By scripture, we are clearly the wheat! So, the prophetic fulfillment of the Wheat harvest is only “half done”. Why?

The prophetic fulfillment of the barley harvest took “one second” with the resurrection of Christ and “those that slept”. The prophetic fulfillment of the wheat harvest is two stages….Birth of church & rapture of church!

The church first has to be born, then it takes a couple thousand years to complete the wheat so it can’t be fulfilled in a moment or day!!

So, the first half of the fulfillment of the wheat harvest is the birth of the church. The other prophetic fulfillment of the wheat harvest will be the rapture. So, we have been in the prophetic wheat harvest for 2000 plus years.

So, the prophetic wheat harvest ends with the rapture of the bride.

The last first fruits are those of the grapes. The first fruits of the grape harvest are those that have endure the great tribulation (Wrath of Lamb). The first fruit of the grapes are those that are thrown into the wine-press of his wrath (Wrath of Lamb).

The ending of the entire grape harvest is 3.5 years later on the feast of Atonement, at the seperation of the sheep/goats judgment!!!

As you can see, the bride of Christ is CLEARLY, CLEARLY the first fruit wheat of God. The timing of these agricultural harvest times pattern the “season” they actually occur in the prophetic sense. Now, this only means one thing….

The rapture of the bride of Christ (completion of wheat harvest) will happen the time they end agriculturally…the SUMMER!!!!!!!

Now, to my new insight I hope from the holy ghost….

If you look closely, the beginning and ending of the harvest times are ALL on FESTIVALS!!

Barley harvest beginning – First Fruits/Passover

Barley harvest ending – Pentecost

BOTH HOLIDAYS….

Wheat harvest beginning – Pentecost

Wheat harvest ending – Tu B’Av

BOTH HOLIDAYS….

Grape harvest beginning – Tu B’Av (This is the day when the grape harvest begins in Israel)…

The grape harvest begins when WHEAT harvest ends, just like Wheat harvest begins when Barley harvest ends!!!

If the grape harvest begins on Tu B’Av, then that is when the WHEAT HARVEST ENDS!!!!!!

Then…

Grape harvest begins – Tu B’Av

Then..Grape harvest ends on HOLIDAY AS WELL…

Which would be Atonement!!!!!!!!

All the harvest times begin and finish on HOLIDAYS!!!

The wheat harvest then ends on Tu B’Av…thus the rapture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Micah 7 supports this 100%.

It says the rapture (good man vanishes) at the “time of the first ripe grapes”. This is when the first ripe clusters of grapes off the tree are cut and this would clearly be the first day the grapes harvest begin…which is “Tu B’Av”.

Ruth married Boaz at end of wheat harvest! So, the rapture is to happen at “end” of wheat harvest…”beginning” of grape harvest which is….

“Tu B’Av”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAPTURE!!!!



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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Charles Holler (26 July 2012)
"Renee M., 1290 Tu B' Av and more"


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Greetings John, Renee M., and Doves,
Great article Renee on Tu B' Av. Daniel 12:11-12 gave me some further thoughts. I agree it's not the fulfillment of this but there could be a duo fulfillment here. We are no longer a Reagan Nation, or a Busch Nation, or a Clinton Nation, but we are now an Obama Nation and we are the temple of God. When one professes to be a Christian and says Christ lives in them (the temple) but He doesn't....is he setting up an abomination of desolation? The true Christian is to present his body a living sacrifice (Rom. 12:1) With this in mind look at
Daniel 12:11

And from the time
that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

From the time the abomination is set up ( 1-20-09) till the sacrifice is taken away (Strong's says depart, withdraw, plucked up) is 1290 days ( Aug. 2,3 2012 Tu B' Av)
Daniel 12:12
Blessed
is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Blessed is he that waiteth 1335 days (1-20-09) till (09-17-12 Rosh Ha Shana) Here we have it, both numbers from Obama's Inauguration fit perfectly to the day on tw seperate Feasts of The Lord. Is this two raptures? The dead first then the living or the Bride first then the Body? We shall soon see and the 9th of Av is a day to watch for a real Noah type warning or false flag event.

See You in the Air,

Agape
Charles H Holler Sr


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Gerry Almond (28 July 2012)
"Amazing things for amazing times..pointing to Aug 3, Tu B Av"

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A thought just occurred to some of us watchers who share notes and read sites like Five Dove, and others, and I would like to post it for your edification.

The two largest earthquakes since Jan 20/21, 2009, the days of the double inauguration of President Barrack Obama are the Chilean and Japanese ones. These occurred as follows:

Chilean….Feb 27, 2010 at magnitude 8.8 on the Richter Scale.

Japanese….Mar 11, 2011 at magnitude 9.0 on the Richter Scale.

I think that this is the way that they may relate to the present high watch day of Tu B Av, Aug 3, 2012. Renee M. has posted incredibly accurate information about this feast day and it relevance to the rapture event, and John Tng alluded to it as well.

Here is how they relate:

The gematria value of the name JESUS is 888.

Chilean quake and 888 days later is Aug 3, 2012. That is Tu B Av.

Japanese quake plus 8 x 8 x 8 days later (another 88 = 512 days which in turn = Aug 3, 2012. That is Tu B Av.

Something unusual to notice is, however, that the Japanese quake measured 9.0. It was, of course, very destructive and was the largest ever. From Mar 11, 2011, you can multiply the root number of 8 which is 2, and multiply it 9 times ( 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 ) = 512 again. And again, that counts to Aug 3, 2012, Tu B Av

And as relates to the Chilean quake, notice that Feb 27, 2010 counting forward to July 27, the opening day of the Olympics, which was yesterday, represents exactly the 29th Gregorian calendar month. This number, 29, is the number meaning departure. This means that as of July 28, 2012, we are in the 30th month since the Chilean quake. Coincidentally?…it is the beginning of the 30th Olympics, which is in London, by way of the opening ceremony July 27 which ran until exactly midnight.

This is a very interesting coincidence, it seems to me. Or is it? Well, in a few days we will all find out.

Blessings

Gerry M. Almond






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