I thought the presentation was incredible, and was based entirely on the scriptures, now throw some of Chuck Missler's teaching in here and see what happens. Although Chuck is strickly pre-trib ( and he may be right or wrong ) ), he has also done his homework, however, i sway towards pre-wrath( and i might be right or wrong ) Rapture.( you can beat me up, i can take it ).
I enjoyed Robert Van Kampen so much i am going thru this again tonight, well worth a second and a third look. I felt like he really did his homework, as the presentation flowed from him like living water.
I think the timeline you have listed Steven is a well educated guess based on the information presented.
Your thoughts as to the Rapture timing ?
Great find Steven, keep us His work !

Our New Website URL
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com


For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2012/nicole414-4.htm

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Nicole (14 Apr 2012)
"There is a purpose for people who believe in pre, mid and post trib..."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Lord impressed it on my heart today for the Bride to come together in unity. And those that believe in the pre-trib rapture, mid trib rapture and post trib rapture to come together. And to avoid arguments on the timing of the rapture, but to stay on the wall watching.

The Lord showed me that the pre-tribbers give joy to the Bride that the rapture could be like a beautiful Christmas present. A little child sitting, waiting in anticipation for the present. It gives such a peace. A lot of pretribbers post a lot of beautiful worship music and wonderful love letters to the Bride. They bring a sense of beauty to the body.

The mid tribbers give a reality check to people and watch for technology rising for the NWO. They seem very knowledgeable about this rise of the "Brave New World." If they did not believe in the mid trib rapture, then a lot of information that would show pretribbers information to watch may not be out there for us. They are like informants and in an army, you need these people. They provide a lot of valuable information because that is what they are watching. The most likely want to know how to get through living in a controlled global government.

And then the post tribbers, give a strength of character that tells us to endure until the bitter, bitter end. They are realists and do not want anything sugar coated and they expect fully that we may have to be tortured for the sake of the cross. These post tribbers want to seek out information regarding the mark of the beast. They are like the Navy Seals who are the toughest people who bring about a strength of mind to help people in the toughest times.

Each of these people are special to God and He knows when His Holy rapture is. It has not happened yet, so no one can be for certain. It could be staged evacuations, or it could be one big event. And we could be raptured and then the blue beam happens, or the blue beam happens first and then we are raptured. For me, I believe in a pretrib rapture and hope that it is in 2012. But I will stay on the wall watching until the blood moons.

But what the Lord impressed upon my heart is that we should not be screaming at each other calling each other false prophets for believing in a different rapture scenario. What we should say is that we believe a certain way and that the Lord has the ultimate control and say over His creation. I am truly surprised we are still here while people are being microchipped, there are already 2 million of them. And I am surprised we even see the TSA body scanners.

So I have to say that just because someone believes in a different rapture scenario doesn't mean I can't listen to what they say and put the info in the back of my mind. You know when I was working for companies that would lay people off, I would hear many many things and see things and I knew that it was about time to get outta there. I was not for certain if I would keep my job, if I would get transferred, if I was part of a transition team to train people and get some kind of training bonus before I was laid off....etc. I was not sure as to how it would all pan out or how long it would take for the lay off to occur, but one thing I did know....that when Accounts Payable is transferred to corporate, when management starts nixing overtime, when fuel cards and leased vehicles are analyzed and then they start wanting to know when leases end, when management wants to know peoples workers compensation rates, when there are a ton of closed door meetings, when you are asked to create a ton of ad hoc reports, when you are told to created a head count report, when they start asking for approval on office supplies and small purchases that were normal and then someone tells you to buy a cheaper version of the product, etc. THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW IT IS AT THE DOOR.

We know the tribulation is at the door, but we may not know how it will all go down. Just like the lay off scenario I described.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Disclaimer: Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum, ( http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com ) does not necessarily endorse or agree with every opinion expressed in every article posted on this site. We do however, encourage a healthy and friendly debate on the issues of our day. Whether you agree or disagree, we encourage you to post your feedback by using the reply button.

If you are new to this site and would like to post articles, opinions, youtube videos that are appropriate for this site just e mail me at

stevensandiego@ymail.com

I will send you a PASSWORD

Ybic

Steven


Our New Website URL
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com

Our New Website URL

http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com





For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes



http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2012/brucew420-2.htm



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++





Bruce Warner (20 Apr 2012)

"SCRIPTURE IS 'PRE-WRATH' BECAUSE IT SAYS THE CHURCH/BRIDE DOES NOT SUFFER THE 'WRATH OF GOD' OR THE 'WRATH OF SATAN'........."



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Dear Doves,



The Scriptures speak both of the 'wrath of God' and the 'wrath of Satan'. But none the Scriptures that speak to us about the wrath to come differentiate between the 'wrath of God' or the 'wrath of Satan' when telling us that we are not appointed to wrath. This means that we do not suffer any kind of wrath to come which means we are raptured pre-wrath.



Romans 5:9

"Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be SAVED FROM WRATH through Him." (pre-wrath)



1 Thessalonians 1:10

"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who DELIVERS US FROM THE WRATH to come." (pre-wrath)



1 Thessalonians 5:9

"For God DID NOT APPOINT US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (pre-wrath)



Revelation 6:17

"For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH has come, and who is able to stand ? " (This is the pre-wrath sixth seal rapture, and only His Church/bride is able to stand.)



Revelation 12:12

"Therefore rejoice O heavens, and you ( His Church/bride) who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you (the left-behind), HAVING GREAT WRATH, because he knows that he has a short time (1,260 days/42 months)."



The Church/bride is raptured to heaven by Jesus on the 'Day of the Lord' which is the same day Satan is cast down to earth. That Day will be 1,260 days before the Second Coming of the Lord. The day Satan is cast out of heaven he gives his authority to the anti-Christ for forty-two months (1,260 days) until the Second Coming of the Lord.



Luke 21:23

"But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in THOSE DAYS! For there will be great tribulation in the land (of Israel) and (God's) wrath upon this people (of Israel)."



God focuses His wrath ONLY ON ISRAEL during "those days" of the shortened 30-day great tribulation of Israel that will end on the Day of the Lord rapture. Thus "these are they who have come out of the great tribulation." AFTER the rapture, the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan then spread to the whole world for forty-two months (1,260 days) which is the 'hour of trial' that tests those who dwell on the earth.





Come Lord Jesus!



Bruce Warner

























++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Zechariah 12:3,9:

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.





++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



Disclaimer: Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum, ( http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com ) does not necessarily endorse or agree with every opinion expressed in every article posted on this site. We do however, encourage a healthy and friendly debate on the issues of our day. Whether you agree or disagree, we encourage you to post your feedback by using the reply button.



If you are new to this site and would like to post articles, opinions, youtube videos that are appropriate for this site just e mail me at



stevensandiego@ymail.com



I will send you a PASSWORD



Ybic



Steven





Our New Website URL

http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com

Our New Website URL
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com
For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNKD8KeLrCg
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Facebook Page Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum: Please Check it out:LIKE it!




"After the Tribulation"


Full Movie (Post-tribulation, Pre-wrath Rapture) Bible Prophecy Film









++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Disclaimer: Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum, ( http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com ) does not necessarily endorse or agree with every opinion expressed in every article posted on this site. We do however, encourage a healthy and friendly debate on the issues of our day. Whether you agree or disagree, we encourage you to post your feedback by using the reply button.

If you are new to this site and would like to post articles, opinions, youtube videos that are appropriate for this site just e mail me at

stevensandiego@ymail.com

I will send you a PASSWORD

Ybic

Steven

Our New Website URL
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com

Facebook Page Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum: Please Check it out

I hope everyone takes the time to watch these. This information is a must see for everyone who is a watchman, studies eschatology, studies as the Bereans, or just cares about the esoteric things of The Lord. If you can't watch all at once then please watch it in pieces..... WARNING ...but once you start " you can't just watch one" lol
Agape,
Charles Holler Sr.

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes
Link: http://prewrathministries.org/PDFs/The%20PreWrath%20Rapture.pdf
Note: Before commenting on any posts please make sure you either watch or read each post in it’s entirety. Before, making a comment, if you don’t have the time to watch or read fully please restrain from commenting. When you do this it will help to reduce confusion.

Thank you for visiting Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum!

Please add us to your favorites!
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com
Our Facebook page is :
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rapture-Bible-Prophecy-Forum/362856490414697
Please LIKE our Facebook page! Facebook is growing daily!

Link: http://prewrathministries.org/PDFs/The%20PreWrath%20Rapture.pdf



Link: http://prewrathministries.org

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Disclaimer: Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum, ( http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com ) does not necessarily endorse or agree with every opinion expressed in every article posted on this site. We do however, encourage a healthy and friendly debate on the issues of our day. Whether you agree or disagree, we encourage you to post your feedback by using the reply button.

If you are new to this site and would like to post articles, opinions, youtube videos that are appropriate for this site just e mail me at

stevensandiego@ymail.com
I will send you a PASSWORD

Ybic
Steven

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes
Link: http://prewrathministries.org/PDFs/Daniel's%2070th%20Week.pdf
Note: Before commenting on any posts please make sure you either watch or read each post in it’s entirety. Before, making a comment, if you don’t have the time to watch or read fully please restrain from commenting. When you do this it will help to reduce confusion.

Thank you for visiting Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum!

Please add us to your favorites!
http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com
Our Facebook page is :
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rapture-Bible-Prophecy-Forum/362856490414697
Please LIKE our Facebook page! Facebook is growing daily!

Link: http://prewrathministries.org/PDFs/Daniel's%2070th%20Week.pdf


http://prewrathministries.org

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Disclaimer: Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum, ( http://www.rapturebibleprophecyforum.com ) does not necessarily endorse or agree with every opinion expressed in every article posted on this site. We do however, encourage a healthy and friendly debate on the issues of our day. Whether you agree or disagree, we encourage you to post your feedback by using the reply button.

If you are new to this site and would like to post articles, opinions, youtube videos that are appropriate for this site just e mail me at

stevensandiego@ymail.com
I will send you a PASSWORD

Ybic
Steven

Pre trib is pre wrath since the entire 7 year tribulation is the wrath of GOD
...today we suffer because of the working of Satan through fallen human nature
...after the rapture the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining Satan, and part of GODs wrath is allowing Satan full power to kill and destroy......

bump