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26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 

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Dear friends:

Back in the mid-1990s, I discovered a book by the great Sir Isaac Newton: Newton's Prophecies of Daniel, republished in 1991 by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, 2251 Dick George Road, Cave Junction, Oregon 97523. It was accidentally found in the Library of Congress and was Thomas Jefferson's personal copy. Jefferson's initials are in it. I have an exact replicate of that book, including Jefferson's initials. The book always fascinated me.

If the brilliant Sir Isaac Newton was correct in his interpretation of Daniel, the prophet to whom God gave specific timing, then the return of the Lord Jesus Christ will be very, very soon, indeed! We will soon know.

Newton, who lived 300 years ago (1642-1727), was one of the greatest geniuses in all history -- perhaps the greatest. He is called the father of modern science and the industrial revolution. He discovered many scientific laws. God chose Isaac Newton to impart many of His deepest secrets.

Newton is also said to be a devout believer in Christ and Bible scholar, fluent in ancient languages, and who translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek. He was unusually drawn to the prophet Daniel, which he began studying at age 12 and continued until he died at age 85. In fact, The Columbia History of the World, a secular history book, remarks, "At the end of his days he spent more time studying and writing about the prophecies in the Book of Daniel than he did in charting the heavens."

Did God Himself put in Newton's heart this burning desire to study Daniel, then give him the key to the timing of Christ's return? Could this be the final profound secret the Lord revealed to this godly genius near the end of his life -- a secret so simple that most have missed it? (Genius is often simple.)

Newton's understanding of one key passage in Daniel chapter 9 is fundamentally different from that of most common interpretations. In about 550 B.C., God gave the prophet Daniel a view of history to the end. >From Daniel 9:25, scholars usually add the "seven weeks (of years, or 49 years) and 62 weeks (434 years)" to get 483 years and calculate the time of Messiah's First Coming. However, Newton says there is no linguistic basis for adding those two numbers (49 and 434), and to do so is "doing violence to the language of Daniel." Newton says the two numbers separately speak of both the First and Second Coming, both being counted from the "going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem." Some commentators agree.

Newton says the "62 weeks," or 434-year part was fulfilled at the First Coming, and the "seven weeks," or 49-year part will apply to the Second Coming. And three centuries ago he saw in the Scriptures and wrote about the rebirth of Israel at a time when such a thought was preposterous. By faith, he foresaw a "friendly kingdom" someday again issuing the "commandment to restore and build Jerusalem." Now, centuries later, that "friendly kingdom" may have been the United Nations, which decreed Israel's rebirth in November, 1947, causing Israel to be reborn in May, 1948. However, Israel did not recapture and begin to rebuild Jerusalem until June, 1967.

So, if you take the historic 1967 date and add the 49 years (seven sevens), you arrive at 2016. According to Newton's understanding, that may be the year of Christ's physical return to the earth -- after the Tribulation.

Further, if you back up for a 3 1/2-year Great Tribulation, you arrive at 2012, the year many prophecy students see as the year of the pre-tribulation Rapture and the beginning of the final 3 1/2-year Great Tribulation.

It is almost upon us. Let us hope

Jim


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Bruce Warner (16 March 2012)
"TO: Jim Bramlett RE: YOUR POST (15 March 2012) Sir Issac Newton AND CHRIST'S RETURN....."

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Hi Jim,

I have also read Newton's theory about the "seven weeks" of years , and I think he has a very valid point. I also believe that it is valid to add 'seven-sevens' of years ( ie. 49 years) to the year 1967 = 2016. It is also interesting to note that in the year 2016 is when the next sacred Jubilee Year begins on Nisan 1.

(Leviticus 25:13): "In this Year of Jubilee, each of you shall RETURN TO HIS POSSESSION."

The question is: Which "possession" is Jesus returning to in 2016 ? Is it His Church/bride or is it His earth?

If He is returning (appearing) to rapture His Church/bride in the Spring of 2016, that will be at the beginning of the 3 1/2 year great tribulation which would then end at His Second Coming to claim the earth and fulfill the Fall Feasts in 2019.

If He is returning (2nd coming) to claim the earth and fulfill the Fall Feasts of 2016, that will be at the end of the 3 1/2 year great tribulation. Therefore, the rapture of His Church/bride, and the beginning of the great tribulation must take place 3 1/2 years earlier in the Spring of 2013.

THEREFORE:

If the Second Coming of the Lord is scheduled to fulfill the Fall Feasts in the Jubilee Year 2016, His Church/bride will be raptured 3 1/2 years earlier in the Spring of 2013.

If the rapture of His Church/bride is scheduled to happen in the Spring of the Jubilee Year 2016, His Second Coming will happen 3 1/2 years later in the Fall of 2019.

CONCLUSION:

If we are NOT raptured in the Spring of 2013, we can expect to be raptured in the Spring of 2016. Everything pivots on the Jubilee Year 2016.

Come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner

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Bruce Warner (16 March 2012)
"THE RAPTURE vs. THE SECOND COMING......"

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Dear Doves,

When you read the Scriptures notice how many more of the Scriptures are devoted to His message for us to "watch always" for the coming rapture than there is about His Second Coming. The reason for that is we do not have to "watch" for His Second Coming because we are with Him. After the rapture, we are always in the presence of the Lord.

Therefore, I believe that "His possession" that is most dear to the Lord is His Church/bride. I believe that our Lord will return to rapture His Church/bride in the Spring month of Nisan of the next Jubilee Year 2016.

Leviticus 25:13
"In this Year of Jubilee, each of you shall return to his possession."

Come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner

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Bruce Warner (16 March 2012)
"HERE IS WHAT TIME IT IS ON THE END-TIME CLOCK.........."

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Dear Doves,

Matthew 24:6
"And you will hear of was AND RUMORS OF WARS, See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but THE END IS NOT YET."

This Scripture tells us exactly what time it is on the end-time clock. The rumors of war between Israel and Iran that we now hear everyday should not trouble us. These things must happen before the end comes, which is not yet. These things tell us that the end is coming soon, and we should prepare ourselves for it. To me, the end looks to be in the Year of Jubilee 2016, which is four years from now so we have time to prepare ourselves for it.

Come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner

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Frank R Molver (16 March 2012)
"Jim's 2012 deduced from Isaac Newton"

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Thanks for reminding us.
It all centers around Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified and where he will return.

2016 being 49 years from 1967.
3 1/2 years before that, this year 2012.
Apparently mid last 7 years, meaning last 3 1/2 years of chaos soon to be here.
Seems to agree with Ron and others who deem this spring very significant.
It would be hard to imagine something not happening, igniting, and sending the world into that time frame.


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Michael Colunga (16 March 2012)
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Hello, John and Doves,

Brother Jim, it should be noted that the Jewish year 2016 starts on Rosh Hashanah, 1 Tishrei 5776, which is September 14, 2015. This equates exactly with the third valid interpretation, which happens to be the surface meaning of the King James translation of the Scriptures.

The seventy sevens of shmita counts takes us from the year that the children of Israel entered the Promised Land, on or near Yom Kippur of 2346 [2346=year one of the very first shmita count.] until the year of the 70th Jubilee, 5776. Jubilee is to be proclaimed on Yom Kippur of the start of the Jubilee year, and then the Jubilee year begins on Tabernacles.

How do I figure out when is the year of Jubilee?


According to the Reverend Charles Ludwidge Dodgson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll, you begin at the beginning, go until you come to the end, and then stop.



So let's begin at Leviticus.

"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

"Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

"But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

"That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: [for] it is a year of rest unto the land.

"And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,

"And for thy cattle, and for the beast that [are] in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

"Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

"And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

"A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather [the grapes] in it of thy vine undressed.

"For it [is] the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

"In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

Leviticus 25:2-13 KJV



There is much more about the year of Jubilee, so that when we find out when it is, then that must be the year of Christ's return.

Witness the scripture,

"For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

Isaiah 34:8



You are welcome to read the context of judgment and to work out the meaning of this strange passage.

Why do I call it strange? We are used to a loving God that let's His enemies frolic about until they drop dead and go to hell, or repent and be welcomed into their new eternal home, Heaven.



Now, let's get back to the subject at hand. When is the day of the LORD's vengeance? Let me give you a clue. Yeshua read only part of a scripture--this hinting at the two halves of His coming. The full scripture is,

"The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

"To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified."

Isaiah 61:1-3



Jesus stopped speaking at the phrase, "the acceptable year of the LORD." The wrath is not meant for Eretz Israel, but for her enemies. So as not to give His countrymen false hope, nor dash their hopes, Jesus did not say outright when He would come, but gave clues only. Even so, the clues point directly to facts in our age.



That being said, let us look at the facts.



Fact: Daniel 9:24 predicts that the seventieth seven of shmita counts will see the anointing of the Most Holy.



Fact: The children of Israel entered the promised land in the fall of 1415 BC, at or around Yom Kippur, the end of the grape harvest. This would have been 2346. According to Leviticus 25:2-13, quoted above, this is when the shmita count starts.



Fact: 7 X 7 = 49, and no count is mentioned starting after the 50th year, therefore the 50th year always is the first year of the count up to the next Jubilee. We have, 1[=the year 2346] + 49 = the 50th year. Therefore, the Jubilee counts are every 49 years, with 2346 + 49 = 2395--the first Jubilee.



Fact: The year 33 AD was the year of shmita for its 7-year count. Three shmita years later would bring us to 54 AD. Then 55 AD was the Jubilee in Paul's day.

"When the Shmita year ends, personal debts which are due during that year are considered nullified and forgiven." Therefore, in a manner of speaking, the acceptable year of the LORD had arrived in 33 AD, but only in the manner mandated by a shmita year. It is curious to note that Jesus cancelled all our personal debt to God for all time for all believers in Christ. [Those who have not as yet trusted Yeshua as Savior need only ask.]



Fact: The 70th Jubilee starts on [Must be proclaimed by Messiah Yeshua] on September 23, 2015--Yom Kippur 5776. [ 2346 + ( 70 x 49 ) = 5776 ] [see also Leviticus 25:2-13 ]



Fact: Obama was elected ( confirmed the covenant made on Oct. 29, 2008 ) on Nov. 4, 2008.



Fact: 7 x 360 = 2,520



Fact: Calculation results

From date:Wednesday, October 29, 2008

Added 2520 days

Resulting date: Wednesday, September 23, 2015--10 Tishrei 5776, which is Yom Kippur and the start of the 70th Jubilee from when the children of Israel entered the promised land.

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=10&d1=29&y1=2008&type=add&ay=&am=&ad=2520&aw=



Why does this scenario work, drawing insight from mostly the Tanakh?

The Tanakh is the New Testament concealed. The New Testament is the Tanakh revealed. So Jesus gave us a clue--a freebie, if you will. End of story.



Baruch HaShem Adonai Roi

[Blessed be the Name, "The LORD (YHWH) is my Shepherd."],

Mike C.

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Jim Bramlett (15 March 2012)
"Sir Isaac Newton and 2012"

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Dear friends:

Back in the mid-1990s, I discovered a book by the great Sir Isaac Newton: Newton's Prophecies of Daniel, republished in 1991 by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, 2251 Dick George Road, Cave Junction, Oregon 97523. It was accidentally found in the Library of Congress and was Thomas Jefferson's personal copy. Jefferson's initials are in it. I have an exact replicate of that book, including Jefferson's initials. The book always fascinated me.

If the brilliant Sir Isaac Newton was correct in his interpretation of Daniel, the prophet to whom God gave specific timing, then the return of the Lord Jesus Christ will be very, very soon, indeed! We will soon know.

Newton, who lived 300 years ago ( 1642-1727 ), was one of the greatest geniuses in all history -- perhaps the greatest. He is called the father of modern science and the industrial revolution. He discovered many scientific laws. God chose Isaac Newton to impart many of His deepest secrets.

Newton is also said to be a devout believer in Christ and Bible scholar, fluent in ancient languages, and who translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek. He was unusually drawn to the prophet Daniel, which he began studying at age 12 and continued until he died at age 85. In fact, The Columbia History of the World, a secular history book, remarks, "At the end of his days he spent more time studying and writing about the prophecies in the Book of Daniel than he did in charting the heavens."

Did God Himself put in Newton's heart this burning desire to study Daniel, then give him the key to the timing of Christ's return? Could this be the final profound secret the Lord revealed to this godly genius near the end of his life -- a secret so simple that most have missed it? (Genius is often simple.)

Newton's understanding of one key passage in Daniel chapter 9 is fundamentally different from that of most common interpretations. In about 550 B.C., God gave the prophet Daniel a view of history to the end. >From Daniel 9:25, scholars usually add the "seven weeks ( of years, or 49 years ) and 62 weeks ( 434 years )" to get 483 years and calculate the time of Messiah's First Coming. However, Newton says there is no linguistic basis for adding those two numbers (49 and 434), and to do so is "doing violence to the language of Daniel." Newton says the two numbers separately speak of both the First and Second Coming, both being counted from the "going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem." Some commentators agree.

Newton says the "62 weeks," or 434-year part was fulfilled at the First Coming, and the "seven weeks," or 49-year part will apply to the Second Coming. And three centuries ago he saw in the Scriptures and wrote about the rebirth of Israel at a time when such a thought was preposterous. By faith, he foresaw a "friendly kingdom" someday again issuing the "commandment to restore and build Jerusalem." Now, centuries later, that "friendly kingdom" may have been the United Nations, which decreed Israel's rebirth in November, 1947, causing Israel to be reborn in May, 1948. However, Israel did not recapture and begin to rebuild Jerusalem until June, 1967.

So, if you take the historic 1967 date and add the 49 years (seven sevens), you arrive at 2016. According to Newton's understanding, that may be the year of Christ's physical return to the earth -- after the Tribulation.

Further, if you back up for a 3 1/2-year Great Tribulation, you arrive at 2012, the year many prophecy students see as the year of the pre-tribulation Rapture and the beginning of the final 3 1/2-year Great Tribulation.

It is almost upon us. Let us hope

Jim

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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MathMan (16 March 2012)
"To Jim Bramlett: Newton's 7 Weeks to the Second Return"


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Dear Jim Bramlett & Doves,



Newton’s 7 Weeks to the Second Return



Your article on Sir Isaac Newton and 2012 was EXCELLENT:



http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/jim315.htm



This “alternative take” on the 69 week timeline was actually one of the four main reasons why I am such a strong proponent of the 2008 – 2015 timeline that Ron Reese has been subscribing to. This “alternative take” was outlined in the following link that discussed the prospect of the 7 weeks of Daniel 9 being a separate prophecy for the Second Coming:



http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman1229-2.htm (this post was titled: “Why I continue to be unreasonable by believing that 2015 will be the year of return for Jesus”



The Section dealing specifically with this 7 week prophecy “alternative take” in this post is quoted as follows:



“FORMULA 3: THE 7 IN THE 7 + 62 OF THE 69 WEEKS



Daniel 9: 25: “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times”



Personal Theory 3 (PT3): There is controversy over the split between the 7 and the 62, which in turn adds to 69 weeks. In the first arrival, Jesus made His triumphant return to Jerusalem precisely 69 weeks of 2520 days in each week from the first decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Some have speculated that the first part, the seven weeks, represents a completely separate prophecy related to his second arrival for His triumphant return to Jerusalem. If this is truly a separate prophecy, given that Jewish days begin the evening before, such decree would have had to happen on June 7, 1967 or the day after, for it to be another signpost pointing towards the Day of Atonement 2015.



Fact 7: That is exactly what happened. In the first arrival of Jesus, all it took was a leader with the appropriate authority to declare that Jerusalem be rebuilt to start the 69 week countdown to the first return. In a similar manner, the PM of Israel made the EXACT same kind of decree the very next day after the retaking of Jerusalem, on June 8th of 1967 to be precise!! But it wasn’t all of Jerusalem that had to be rebuilt, just the Jewish Quarter, also known as Old Jerusalem. Ironically, this is the exact same portion ordered to be rebuilt that was used to prophesize the first time Jesus returned. In fact, Old Jerusalem was so completely and utterly destroyed in 1948 in the Arab Israel War that a Jordan leader gloated that no Jew would ever return to the Jewish Quarter.”



Please note that, in the above quote, I have outlined an even tighter deadline than the 2016 you have in your post.



Using Solar years, we get the 2016 you came up with. However, using 360 day Prophetic Years (matching the First Coming), it lands DIRECTLY, PRECISELY AND EXACTLY on the Day of Atonement, September 23, 2015, like a God-Guided Missile!! According to Leviticus, the Day of Atonement is THE most LOGICAL day for Jesus to reclaim the world from the evil one and destroy the Anti-Christ while doing it.



However, I have further support for using 360 days versus solar calendar days!!



In terms of the Anti-Christ, note that President Obama made his, “I will change the world in this final week” speech on October 29, 2008. October 29, 2008 is EXACTLY, to the day, 2520 days prior to the Day of Atonement, September 23, 2015!! This is the EXACT same date that Sir Isaac Newton’s analysis pointed to!! This is YET ANOTHER reason I love and support the 2008 – 2015 timeline with such vigor. Indeed, I will remain supporting it. Only the arrival of April 8th will make me change my opinion on this!!



Jim, what you reported so eloquently in your post even makes me more in love with the 2008-2015 timeline. I had not been aware that someone so dedicated and brilliant as Sir Isaac Newton had also subscribed to the theory that the 7 + 62 week split was there for a VERY important reason. Again, thanks for sharing this!!



Regardless of the type of calendar year we use in our projections, it all points to the same thing – WE WILL BE OUT OF HERE SOON, VERY SOON! Yes, 2012 looks like THE year of our Great Hope and our long-awaited departure!!



For those who can’t comprehend Jesus not Rapturing us yet ( as we are in the Final Seven Years already, which started in 2008 ), simply look to John 7 for an example of Jesus not coming when WE expected him to. Indeed, I wrote a whole article on John 7 being an analogy related to a Post-Rapture Tribulation Period of SUBSTANTIALLY less than 7 years, linked as follows:



http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman127.htm



BE EXCITED, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, OUR REDEMPTION DRAWS EXTREMELY NEAR!!



As always, to God be ALL the glory!!! He is at the door!! Maranatha!!



YbiC, MathMan


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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Bruce Warner (30 March 2012)
"RE: Jim Bramlett's Excellent Post ( 15 March 2012 ) ...NEWTON 'ALMOST' GOT IT RIGHT...."

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Dear Doves,

According to Jim Bramlett's excellent post (15 March 2012) "Sir Isaac Newton and 2012" I quote:

"However, Israel did not recapture and begin to rebuild Jerusalem until June 1967. So, if you take the historic date and add 49 years (seven sevens), you arrive at 2016. According to Newton's understanding, that may be the year of Christ's physical return to the earth -- after the tribulation. Further, if you back up for a 3 1/2 year great tribulation, you arrive at 2012, the year many prophecy students see as the year of the pre-tribulation Rapture and the beginning of the final 3 1/2 year Great Tribulation."

I agree that when you add one 'Biblical generation' of 48 years 8 months to June 1967 you come to March 2016. According to the 'Parable of the Fig Tree', that may be the year of Christ's return to Rapture His Church which actually is 'pre-tribulation' in the sense that it happens immediately prior to the final 3 1/2 year Great Tribulation before His Second Coming. There is no seven-year great tribulation. Scripture says it is for a time, times and half a time = 3 1/2 years.

June 1967 |-----------48 years 8 months----------| March 2016 |------------3 1/2 years-------------| Second Coming


The good news is that we are only 3 1/2 years apart. With all due respect, Newton thinks the Second Coming may be in 2016 and I think that the rapture may be in 2016.

Come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner

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12th-century rabbi predicted Israel's future

Now his prophecies about return of Messiah are being studied



Published: 11/14/2012 at 7:56 PM



JERUSALEM – Judah Ben Samuel was a legendary and prolific German rabbi of the 12th century who made some astonishing and specific predictions about the future of Jerusalem and Israel that came true.

Judah Ben Samuel, also known as Judah he-Hasid (Judah the Pious), lived and worked from the end of the 12th century until the beginning of the 13th century in Regensburg, authoring a number of books in the German language.


Ludwig Schneider of Israel Today magazine has translated some of his work into English over the last few years, including “The Book of the Pious – Sefer Hasidim” and the “Book of Calculations – Sefer Gematriyot.”

Following the Christian crusades to the Holy Land, between 1096-1270, a regular correspondence developed between the Jews in the Holy Land and the Christian West. Thus, for example, the rabbis in Worms and Regensburg in Germany knew that Saladin’s Ayyubids had been ruling in the Holy Land since 1187.

At this time, Judah Ben Samuel published the results of his biblical calculations (Gematria) and astrological observations and summarized as follows: “When the Ottomans (Turks) – who were already a power to be reckoned with on the Bosporus in the time of Judah Ben Samuel – conquer Jerusalem they will rule over Jerusalem for eight jubilees. Afterwards Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one jubilee, and then in the ninth jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”

One jubilee is 50 years (Leviticus 25). It is the 50th year after seven times seven years, the year in which each person should regain ownership of his or her land. Ben Samuel’s calculations were purely theoretical; there was absolutely no sign at that time of their being fulfilled. He himself was not able to experience their fulfillment, for it was only 300 years after his death that the first of his predictions were to come true.

The Mamluks, who had been reigning in Jerusalem since 1250, were conquered in 1517 by the Ottoman Turks. They remained for eight jubilees (8 x 50 = 400 years), that is to say they were in Jerusalem for 400 years. Exactly 400 years later, in 1917, the Ottoman Turks were conquered by the British. The League of Nations conferred the Mandate for the Holy Land and Jerusalem to the British. Thus, from 1917, under international law, Jerusalem was no-man’s land.

Then, when Israel captured Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967, exactly one jubilee (50 years) after 1917, Jerusalem reverted to Jewish-Israeli ownership once again. Thereby, according to the prophecies of Judah Ben Samuel, the Messianic End Times began.

Many scholars have studied and made reference to Judah Ben Samuel’s writings in an effort to understand how he reached his conclusions. Among those referencing Ben Samuel were Rabbi Isaac Ben Solomon Luria, a mystic dealing with the messianic world (Jerusalem, 1531-1572, Safed); Joseph Solomon Delmegido (1591 Candia – 1655 Prague), a mathematician and astronomer (“Mazref le-Chochma” , Azulai I (1724-1806), a famed bibliographer; Samuel David Luzzatto (1800-1865), a Bible scholar; historian Heinrich Graetz (1817-1891); and Torah scholar Jacob Epstein (1925-1993).

The secret of how Judah the Pious arrived at such accurate predictions has less to do with the actual calculations than it does with the fact that he had consecrated his life to God. His pupils Rabbi Isaac ben Moses (Vienna), Rabbi Baruch ben Samuel (Mainz) and Rabbi Simcha (Speyer) testify that Ben Samuel was a model of abstinence and selflessness and was awaiting with a burning desire the coming of the Messiah.

Ben Samuel was often called “Light of Israel.” Even bishops came to him for advice. If anyone asked him where his wisdom came from he would answer, “The prophet Elijah, who will precede the Messiah, appeared to me and revealed many things to me and emphasized that the precondition for answered prayer is that it is fueled by enthusiasm and joy for the greatness and holiness of God.”

But to recap the astonishing predictions: In AD 1217 this scholarly and pious rabbi prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight Jubilees. Now, keep in mind, he made this prediction 300 years before the Ottoman Turks seized control of Jerusalem in 1517. If indeed 1217 and 1517 were jubilee years as Judah Ben Samuel believed, then his prophecy was exactly right, because exactly 400 years after the Turks took control of Jerusalem they were driven out of the city and the holy land in 1917 by the Allied forces under the command of General George Allenby – on Hanukkah, by the way.

But it gets more interesting still.

The rabbi also prophesied that during the ninth Jubilee Jerusalem would be a “no-man’s land.” This is exactly what happened from 1917 to 1967, due to the fact that the Holy Land was placed under British Mandate in 1917 by the League of Nations and literally “belonged” to no nation.

Even after Israel’s war of independence in 1948-49, Jerusalem was still divided by a strip of land running right through the heart of the city, with Jordan controlling the eastern part of the city and Israel controlling the western part of the city. That strip of land was considered and even called “no-man’s land” by both the Israelis and the Jordanians.

It was not until the Six Day War in 1967 when the entire West Bank of the Holy Land was conquered by the Israeli army that the whole city of Jerusalem passed back into the possession of Israel. So once again the prophecy made by the rabbi 750 years previously was fulfilled to the letter.

It certainly would be significant if both 1917 and 1967 were Jubilee years, considering the significance of what happened in Jerusalem on those years. But it gets even more interesting, because Judah Ben Samuel also prophesied that during the 10th Jubilee Jerusalem would be under the control of the Jews and the Messianic “end times” would begin. If he’s right, the 10th Jubilee began in 1967 and will be concluded in 2017.



“The Bible should be our standard for prophecy and interpretation of prophetic events,” said Joseph Farah, editor and founder of WND, upon learning of Judah Ben Samuel’s predictions in Israel Today. “But one cannot ignore what this 12th-century rabbi said and wrote. It’s well-documented. And I applaud Israel Today for bringing it to light. The implications of these predictions is staggering to say the least.”








Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/12th-century-rabbi-predicted-israels-future/#kPsq8v3rqu7Qd6Jq.99




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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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