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Jimmy (2 March 2012)
"Mr Warner...."Scripture Dis-Proves the Pre-Trib Rapture Position""


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Sir, I am going to say a few things, and truthfully I am not trying to be mean spirited.

Your "Scripture Dis-Proves the Pre-Trib Rapture Position" is a BLENDERIZING of the scriptures.

I am borrowing that phrase from a good bible teacher.

You have taken Matthew 24, where Christ is speaking to his disciples in Jerusalem about the End of the Age, and if I may express my thoughts in different points.

(1) The Church (Body of Christ) was not even born yet.

(2) All the scriptures you reference are not about the Rapture.

(3) You quote all these scriptures which you claim are about the Rapture, and you don't even quote the Person or the Scriptures which speak of the event.

(4) The Risen Lord taught the Apostle Paul several "Mysteries", two of which are the "Body of Christ" and the "Catching Away of the Body of Christ".

(5) A mystery is a "Secret" in the mind of the Lord till he reveals it.

(6) There maybe hints about it in scripture, but the revealing was given to Paul about the catching away of the Body of Christ.

(7) Now the catching away is described as an event which includes two groups of people those who have died in Christ, and those who are are alive in Christ when the event takes place. That's why the ole saying goes that the dead in Christ get a six-foot jump on us the living. The Dead rise first, and the Living who remain are transformed to meet the Lord in the Air.

( 8 ) Paul in 1 Cor. 10:32 mentions three groups of people "Jews, Gentiles, and the Church of God". You can be a Jew and come to Christ and you are a New Creature. You can be a Gentile and come to Christ and you are a New Creature. What does the Church of God consist, those Jews and Gentiles who are New Creatures in Christ, that is the Body of Christ.

(9) At the Rapture, the catching away of dead and alive believers (Jews and Gentiles who have been born again) leaves two groups of people in this world?

(10) Daniel 9:24-27 gives us the answer "the indignation is determined against the Jewish people and against the city of Jerusalem"

(11) The Lord put a 490 year curse on the Jewish people for not allowing the ground to rest every seventh year. Many Bible Scholars trace from the going forth of the decree for Nehemiah to start rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem to the day the Messiah was cut-off as having fulfilled all but the final 7years.

(12) Daniel's 70th Week, The Time of Jacob's troubles, the Tribulation, and the Great Tribulation are some of the many names, which describe this time period.

(13) Paul almost without exception wrote to the Church, the Body of Christ, and in the past 2,000 years that has been mostly to the Gentiles, with some exceptions of Jews coming to Christ.

(14) Paul taught on Dispensations

(15) It is a Jewish book, we Gentiles have been grafted in "Until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in"

(16) Zechariah wrote that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone to the whole world, a "Cup of Trembling", people will become drunk over getting Jerusalem away from the Jewish People.

So the tribulation period describes a time when the Jews are back in the Land, the Body of Christ is removed, and the Unbelieving (Gentile) world is just like Hitler, Satanically driven with the idea of destroying the Jewish people, and getting the Land and the City of Jerusalem. Jewish Prophets wrote about the end time battles which transpire: Psalms 83, Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38-39 etc. leading to the final Battle of Armageddon.

The Jews are backed up in a corner. Battle upon battle. Satan still believes if he eliminates the Jewish people the Messiah can't come, and God will be a Liar.

(17) That's why if the days where not cut short, and Christ doesn't step out of Heaven with his Saints, at the end of the tribulation period, Satanically driven men would destroy the world.


( 18 ) then at his coming Israel mourns Zechariah 12:10 describes "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son". Mr Warner, this is a (Short Version), I have dealt basically with the Body of Christ and Israel.

I may come across as a know it all, but I was raised on this, then I stayed drunk for 20 years because I didn't want to hear it. I knew it was true, but I was running and Praise the Lord, the Hound Dog of Heaven out ran me. I have been serious in my study for the last 20 years.


I apologize for being computer illiterate, and not knowing how to make this more pleasing to the eye to read. Keep Looking Up for the "Blessed Hope" is coming soon.

God Bless, Jimmy






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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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