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"A Question For The Mid-Tribbers Who Believe Daniel's 70th Week Began On October 29, 2008"


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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.




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Dear John & Fellow Watchers:

I again watched the "Confirmation of the Covenant". It was painful because once is usually enough and I had other tasks I needed to complete but I wanted to be objective in my constructive critique & question.

This "covenant" is all about the United States of America. It discusses the various aspects of the American lifestyle. It use to be called "The American Dream". It's about a president wannabe. He said nothing about a 7 year period. In the U.S. it's one term at a time and if he was even thinking about a second term it would then be an eight year plan.

So my question to the Mid-Tribbers (Reese's Pieces) is: Where in the above Youtube did Candidate Obama confirm a covenant for SEVEN Years? Please specify by minute & second where in the infomercial I should click on.

Pineman

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Tyra (13 Feb 2012)
"To Pineman.....regarding info commercial"

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Between the 27 minute to 30 minute range on the information commerical at the very end of the commercial he states that......

In this LAST WEEK... if you will knock on doors for me than I promise, together we will not only Change the country but Change the world. I put it in Caps because I just was in awe. It's not to be mean. Personally, I don't care who the antichrist is (there are many good canidates in my opinion) but he did confirm a promise with the mulitudes to change the times for not only America but for the world and in this last week. I woke up in 2008 when the week of the Feast of Trumpets the stock market crashed 777 points and the Bible belt states had a wind storm from a hurricane up the East coast. In Ohio we had 4 straight hours of 50-70 mile an hour winds. I knew in September of 2008 that the final 7 years had begun.

Now that I actually sat down and watched it a few times, it becomes clear to me the sacrifice being stopped is Christianity. The abomination is our sins against God our Lord Almighty and Until it's desolate it's clear Daniel is speaking of America. My God, our Master on High the Holy of Holies.. watch over all of us and protect us from harm.

The reason I think the sacrifice stopping is refering to Christianity is because the actual animal sacrifice stopped when Jesus Christ the Lamb became our sacrifice on the cross. He sacrificed himself for our sins, so the stopping of the sacrifice in my opinion is the halting of Christianity in America, because Jesus Christ IS/WAS the sacrifice. See it's continue on until the last days and the sacrifice will cease. It will stop. Either that means Christianity or all of us going home to heaven, then, they'll be no more sacrifice. Maybe I'm out in left field on this one, but it's just what I thought when I was watching the info commericial.

Anyway, either way you look at the events happening all over the world, we are close and very close to the coming of our King. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.


God Bless all of you,
Tyra


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Bill Griese (13 Feb 2012)
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Reply to Pineman: Final 7 years from 2008-2015

Sorry Pineman, I'm not watching Obama's 30 minute infomercial again. It's really the Date it was aired, October 29, 2008 and the fact it fits perfectly into the Jewish Sabbatical cycle that causes me to believe it qualifies as the "Covenant with the Many" as well as a covenant just basically means a promise.

Also, the postion being attained was that of King of End-time Babylon America. Isaiah 13:1-14:23 tells me that the Antichrist is the King of End-time Babylon. I was already watching for a some kind of covenant specifically on October 29th or 30th, 2008. I didn't subscribe to the necessity of the covenant being a peace treaty. I missed it initially, but fortunately I was searching the Internet days after returning from a trip just in time to vote in the election, and I was able to find an article by Ron Reese at BG Ellis' website.

Speaking just for myself, the 2008-2015 Timeline fits very well what I believe. I'd been Pre-Wrath only since 1991 when I read "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal.

I Modified my view in 2007, after the Lord showed me the "Open Door" of Rev 3:7-13 in a vision that was so very real that it was like I was awake. I'll give you the short version of the vision. An open doorway appeared in my bedroom at night sometime around 4:00 am EDT and stayed open for awhile, then as I watched, the two sides closed, slowly coming together into a straight line, then the straight line became a vapor and vanished. Then I woke up. I was shocked because it had really been like I had been awake during the vision. This was an answer to prayer for me for wisdom, and I believe the "Open Door" I saw will be opened up for those worthy to escape the Great Tribulation at the proper time. I don't believe this will be like the "gathering together of the elect" in the sky per Matt 24:29-31, which happens later. I believe I need to share this, as we need to watch for it.

I had re-read the Pre-Wrath Rapture in 2002 and continued to generally agree with it, but I had a question that persisted regarding Rev 3:10 and being "kept from the hour" of temptation (Great Tribulation). Is being "kept from the hour" a Divine protection while still here until the main Rapture, "the gathering together of the elect" in Matt 24:29-31, as Rosenthal maintained? Or is being "kept from the hour" an additional Rapture event for those deemed worthy to escape per the Lord Jesus Christ's instructions to the Seven Churches?

I pray for wisdom daily, and at this point had been praying for years. For me, the answer is definitely the latter, and I believe the probable timing is ten days following the Abomination of Desolation, as indicated by the Near/Far timing clue that the Lord Jesus Christ gave Smyrna in Rev 2:10 that they will have tribulation for "ten days." Philadelphia and Smyrna were both persecuted churches who were worthy, and along with a small remnant of Sardis, were the only ones not told that they needed to Repent. The rest of the churches were all told that unless they Repent, they will have tribulation. What I am saying goes over most people's heads because they've been taught that the Great Tribulation is the Wrath of God. Not true, it's the persecution of Antichrist.

The Wrath of God follows the Great Tribulation. They are both in the final Three and one-half years but they don't overlap. The Great Tribulation is cut short for the elect by the Pre-Wrath Rapture ("the gathering together of the elect" as scripture calls it) at the Sixth Seal per Rev 6:12-17, and "after the tribulation of those days" per Matt 24:29-31. The Great Tribulation ends, then the Wrath of God begins following "the gathering together of the elect."

Numerous Old Testament verses tell us that the Wrath of God will last about One year. Therefore, the Great Tribulation lasts about Two and one-half years immediately followed by the Wrath of God for about the remaining One year. The final One year will start at the Sixth Seal, when "the gathering together of the elect" and the Sealing of the 144,000 takes place, Rev 7:1-8.

The Wrath of God begins at the Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-2, with the Trumpet Judgments in numerical order. Christ touches down on the earth at the Seventh Trumpet. The Seventh Trumpet contains the Seven Bowl Judgments, which are poured out in numerical order during the 30 days following Christ's return, Rev 16:1-21. At the end of the 30 days is the battle of Armageddon, Rev 19:11-21, 1290 days from the Abomination of Desolation.


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Chelsea Brown (13 Feb 2012)
"Pineman : response to Dan 9:27 Obama's "Covenant with many""


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Dear Brother Pineman:
Your post of Saturday: You are listening to the wrong speech. Review Daniel's better words at 9:27, not Obama's.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/pineman211.htm

The scripture cited, Dan 9:27, does NOT state that the (Antichrist's) covenant will delineate or set forth a time period. It simply says the Covenant will last a "heptad" (a seven year period translated a "week"). Obama's thirty minute speech of Oct 29, 2008 fits every detail of Dan. 9:27. If it concludes Sept 23 , 2015 it will be exactly a heptad of years. Obama did "confirm" his prior promises (a promise is a covenant) to" many". The Hebrew word for "many" used here implies a multitude like the sands of the sea, a number like millions. Obama confirmed a covenant, a promise, to change the country and the WORLD. In exchange for his promise , he requested support and votes. Millions of people worldwide heard and affirmed their agreement with his call. Many call him the Messiah, The One, The Hope for change. See time 29:16. The Jewish people especially supported him, just as predicted by Jesus in John 5:43.The Antichrist picked and selected his own name.He gave up one name, Barry Soetoro, for a new name, a Biblical name, Barak. Jesus noted this unusual attribute, he comes in his own name, not one held since birth.

In fact, Barak Obama is the only world leader whose FIRST and LAST name are found in VERSE 6,606 (Judges4:6) and CHAPTER 6x6x6 (Judges 5), whose name calculates to 666 in over twenty different ways, and who was ELECTED EXACTLY ONE WEEK after this CONFIRMED COVENANT with the ILLINOIS LOTTERY winning number 666. (Nov 5, 2008). See time 27/19 :38 :48 ; 28:00 :45. Obama uses the descriptive of a "week" as forshadowed by Daniel.

Could it be coincidence? Of course. Obama or a twin like him might sign or confirm another agreement with a multitude of peoples or nations at some later date.

God Bless and Maranatha !




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Michael Colunga ( 14 Feb 2012 )
"RE: Pineman--"A Question For The Mid-Tribbers Who Believe Daniel's 70th Week Began On October 29, 2008""

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Hello, John and Doves,

If my silence spoke volumes, then it would prove that anyone who heard it was crackers.
That being said, let us look at the facts.

Fact: Daniel 9:24 predicts that the seventieth seven of shmita counts will see the anointing of the Most Holy.

Fact: The 70th Jubilee starts on [Must be proclaimed by Messiah Yeshua] on September 23, 2015--Yom Kippur 5776.

Fact: Obama was elected ( confirmed the covenant made on Oct. 29, 2008 ) on Nov. 4, 2008.

Fact: 7 x 360 = 2,520

Fact: Calculation results
From date:Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Added 2520 days

Resulting date: Wednesday, September 23, 2015

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=10&d1=29&y1=2008&type=add&ay=&am=&ad=2520&aw=

End of story. No need to "specify by minute & second where in the infomercial I should click on."

Baruch HaShem Adonai Nissi,
Mike C.
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Pineman (11 Feb 2012)
"A Question For The Mid-Tribbers Who Believe Daniel's 70th Week Began On October 29, 2008"

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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNi2uvnbX3U

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Dear John & Fellow Watchers:

I again watched the "Confirmation of the Covenant". It was painful because once is usually enough and I had other tasks I needed to complete but I wanted to be objective in my constructive critique & question.

This "covenant" is all about the United States of America. It discusses the various aspects of the American lifestyle. It use to be called "The American Dream". It's about a president wannabe. He said nothing about a 7 year period. In the U.S. it's one term at a time and if he was even thinking about a second term it would then be an eight year plan.

So my question to the Mid-Tribbers (Reese's Pieces) is: Where in the above Youtube did Candidate Obama confirm a covenant for SEVEN Years? Please specify by minute & second where in the infomercial I should click on.

Pineman

Your silence will speak volumes!







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Tom Tanner (16 Feb 2012)
"Reply to Bill Griese, Frank Molver and Pineman on the Final seven years from 2008 to 2015"

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Hello John and Doves,


I noticed while reading in Bill's letter, http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/billg213.htm , in the Evidence supports 2008-2015 for the Final Seven years...


and, The Wrath of God is the 'Day of Vengeance' and lasts about One year:
Isaiah 34:8 “For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion." A "day of the Lord's vengeance” refers to the Wrath of God; and “a year of recompences” indicates that this period will last for about one year, the seventh "day" of the 70th Week.

Isaiah 63:4 “For the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed has come”. The “day of vengeance” is linked here to “the year of my redeemed". During this year, God will take vengeance on unbelievers, but all believers will be raptured beforehand at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, which follows the opening of the Sixth Seal. This tells us when the Sixth Seal is opened.

The one thing being over-looked is the year of recompense is actually the 8th year (2015 to 2016) that refers to the Wrath of God. The 70th Week ends Tishri 1, 5776 and immediately after the tribulation begins the wrath.

The first coming Jubilee proclaimed the setting of the captives free; the second 50th (not 49th) proclaims the year of vengeance. The second 1290 days will cover a period from March 25, 2013 (Passover) to October 3, 2016 (Tishri 1, 5777).

Seven years earlier is Sept. 19th, 2009 (begins the 2nd year of shmita cycle!) hmmm... This may be the reason we see nothing of consequence this April 2012 but the following year.

Shalom,

Tom



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