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 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." I Thess. 4:16-17 (KJV)

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10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

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12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
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28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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DANIEL’S TIMELINE REPORT

This report is based on a 2-hour in person presentation that has been given on a limited bases since 2001 by the host of DanielsTimeline.com


The time of our Lord’s return is a debated topic that has continued for centuries. We have all heard the date-setters give one inaccurate prediction after another, and even a couple of "thus saith the LORD" thrown in here and there.

The Christian Community has taken themselves completely out of the loop with the following mis-quote: “no man knoweth the day or the hour of the Lord’s return, not even the angels in heaven.” However, what the Lord really says in Matthew 24:35-36, is that heaven and earth will pass away but of that day and hour knoweth no man nor the angels. This is after the Lord’s return and after His thousand-year reign. So, are we supposed to know or not?

ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN?

There is a multitude of verses concerning the Lord’s return and even an admonishment from Him saying, “Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?” That one verse should be proof enough that we should know, but He is not just going to plainly spell it out lest the wicked should understand.

We also know there are NO idle words in the Word of God. If therefore, it is not meant for us to understand or know the time of His coming, would not’t all the verses with clues pertaining to the time of His return be counted as idle words?

Here are only a few of many verses telling us that God will teach us all things; He will show us things that are to come which includes the return of His Son; And God says and He will show His servants things that must shortly be done. In Daniel, We are given a definite sequence of years that can now be understood. Just being able to understand things that have been a mystery for centuries should be a huge clue to us that time is short and approaching when all things will be finished.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Thessalonians-1 5:4-5 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

THE SOUGHT AFTER 70TH WEEK

Now, turning our attention to Daniel, the angel sent to him told Daniel to understand, so lets see what we can understand beginning in Daniel 9:23:

Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The simplicity is astonishing. We are going to read it just like it literally is presented, and apply it to a graph. Beginning with Daniel 9:24 we will plot each verse individually. Daniel is now told that 70 weeks are given to make an end of sin and to anoint the most Holy. With both accomplished, (1) no sin and (2) the Most Holy anointed, it can only mean one thing; from some type of a starting point there is a 70 week period until God’s rest starts:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.



The above verse (v.24) may be one of the most sought after verses to understand in the scriptures. Men have tried to apply this in all kind of ways hoping that it would reveal its secret. Maybe it just wasn't in God’s timing for it to be understood before now, because the literal understanding of what it really describes is very plain. The word weeks was translated from the Hebrew word Shabuwa meaning a period of Seven and also Feast of Weeks, one of the seven Feasts of the Lord:



SHABUWA (shaw-boo'-ah); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 7620: seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week; Feast of Weeks (Shavuot)

In the original Hebrew, Shabuwa is in plural form; meaning FeastS of Weeks rather than only one Feast of Weeks. This verse reads: “Seventy Shabuwas or Shavuots are determined.” Shavuot is one of the feasts call “The Feast of Weeks” ( known as Pentecost in the Christian churches). There is only one “Feast of Weeks” per year. To extend the clarity to the fullness of the verse, it literally reads, “Seventy Feasts of Weeks” (or 70 Yrs) are determined from some starting point unto God’s Rest.



Now that we have verse 24 plotted correctly, we simply continue to the next verses in the Daniel sequence and plot all of them all to understand.

In verse 25 we are told that from the going forth of a commandment to restore will be seven week, threescore and two (69 Yrs) unto the Messiah. Now God has now revealed the starting point is a commandment to restore Jerusalem. From the time this commandment is given to restore until the Messiah’s return will be a total of 69 years:

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.



Next, in verse 26, Daniel is told from this same starting point (commandment to restore) the years will come and go until 3 score and 2 weeks have passed (62 yrs). Sometime after this 62yr period has passed, the sanctuary will be destroyed by the prince of the people (the antichrist). Notice the period left from the 62-year marker to the 69-year marker just happens to leave a remaining 7-year period:

Daniel 9:26 And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.




This means the difference between the 62yr prophecy and the 69yr prophecy shows us the beginning of a 7-year period that is known as Daniel’s prophetic week. In the midst of this prophetic week (7 yr period) two major things happen as recorded in verse 27 below; he, the antichrist, will cause the altar to be shut down and the abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.





*The Temple DOES NOT have to be completely rebuilt to fulfill Dan 9:27 prophecy. If a corner stone is set, the court can be measured to establish the location of the altar. Then, with the altar up and operating, this prophecy is satisfied. This was the same procedure used to rebuild the Temple in ancient times too. The walls were restored AFTER the altar was operating.

Now that we have the whole Daniel “week” prophecies plotted in a chart form, all that is necessary now is to discern what the starting point is. Yeshua referred to Daniel concerning the latter days. He said when we see the abomination of spoken by Daniel, for those who are in Judea to flee into the mounts, for then shall be great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Matthew 24:20-21 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Yeshua spoke of the fig tree parable and a generation that will not pass. Most everyone on this planet knows the fig tree is Israel. One generation is an average of 70 years not 40 years. The average age of those who were afraid to go to war and take the promise land was about 30yrs old; plus 40 more years for that generation to die in the wilderness equals 70 years.

Matthew 24:32-34 Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel) When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves ye know that summer [is] nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation (ours) shall not pass (70 years), till all these things be fulfilled.

Many times God works and speaks through His creation, prophets, and even enemies to perform His will. One perfect example is when God hardened Pharaoh’s heart that He might judge Egypt. He used Pharaoh that He might perform many miracles when He brought the children of Israel out with a high hand. It is no different today; God still works through any of His creation in which He chooses to perform His will.

As written in Daniel 9:25, the spoken commandment starts the 70yr count. Using the United Nations (no matter whether they are an enemy or not), that verse was fulfilled of God on November 29, 1947 (UN Resolution No. 181) purposing the fig tree nation, Israel, to be restored as a nation again which came to pass in 1948. Now just fill in the years:




Just below is a special morning edition of the Eretz Israel - Palestine daily newspaper dated 11/30/1947 announcing the UN decision (Resolution #181) to establish a Jewish State bringing forth the BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

This is a very important historical document that bears record to the 100-fold fulfillment of Daniel 9:25, saying from the going forth of the commandment (the spoken word not 194 to restore Jerusalem, unto the Messiah, shall be 7wks 3score and 2wks (69yrs); and also the parable of the fig tree spoken of by our Lord in Mat. 24:32-34 saying this generation will not pass till all be fulfilled.



To illustrate another example, we turn to Ezekiel. He was commanded by God to lie on his side for 390 days (one day for each year pertaining to the exile of Israel). God said He would give Israel 7 times punishment if they refused to obey. This gives a total of 2730 years ( 390 x 7 ). Israel was carried away captive to Assyria in 720 BCE. From 720 BCE, to 2730 years later brings us right back to the year 2010 as shown on the Daniel's Timeline.

Consider the Jubilee years (one Jubilee = 50 yrs). God said in Genesis that He would not strive with man forever because he is yet flesh, saying that man’s days shall be 120 years. (One Jubilee X 120 Jubilees = 6000 years). From Adam ( around 4000BC ) to the present day (2000 AD) also equals 6000 years. God told us in Psalms and in Peter that one day is as 1000-yrs. God creating everything in six days and resting on the seventh day, it is the same as to say, after six-1000 year days ( or 6000yrs ), He will also rest on the 7th-1000 year day ( 1000yrs ), called the Millennium Rest.

The last three Jubilees were: 1867 (The final emancipation of the Jews in Austria and Hungry), 1917 (The 400 yr Ottoman rule ended - Balfour Declaration), and 1967 (The Six Day War - Jerusalem was re-united); It's pretty easy to figure out the next Jubilee year (1967 + 50yrs = 2017). We are at this threshold today, approaching the 120 th Jubilee year (6000 yrs), the time of the restitution of all things.

Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This report is only the tip of the iceberg .

All of the information, the understanding, and the years are freely given. In addition to this, if you would like watch the full 2 hour Daniel's Timeline Presentation, you can watch it in its entirety by clicking on this link: Watch DANIEL'S TIMELINE Presentation - - - on line It will start automatically. It can also be seen on Youtube and Google video (just do a simple word search). All of these are completely free at no cost whatsoever.


There is so much prophetic evidence that it takes 2-hours just to go through it all, from the the jubilees, the date the vision of Rev. 12 occurs over Jerusalem, the real serpent constellation (not Draco), the actual counting of days, finding the Sabbath and the first Passover through the manna instruction week, the fig tree nation, how the Feasts of the LORD confirms and ties all of this together, and much more. Surely no one could have put all of this together except that it must have seemed pleasing in God’s sight to show His people in these latter days.

When God reveals His truth, all the prophecy pieces just fall into place on their own!


Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Please Read This Attachment Note About "The Rapture"




The following is a life and death issue with two conflicting answers:



This site clearly displays the tribulation years. The pre-tribbers will say, "OK, no problem, I'm gonna be raptured out here before all the trouble starts." The post-tribbers will say, "we have X amount of years left to prepare."


Now, here is the dilemma: Both can't be right. If there is a rapture before tribulation, fine, we'll all get raptured out of here together both the pre-tribbers and the post-tribbers. But, what on earth will we do if the post-tribbers are right and we go throught the Great Tribulation??



We will all know for sure when we see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the Holy place. If we see it on our T.V. the post tribbers were right.

Remembering the parable of the 10 Virgins (5 were wise and prepared and 5 were foolish who did not prepare), maybe a little personal research should be done rather than just taking for granted what we have been told all these years.

It is a known fact, and anyone can check this out for themselves, there was no such thing heard of as a "secret rapture" before 1830 untill a teenage Scottish girl, named Margaret McDonald, stood up one Sunday in the "Church of Scotland" and told of a dream she had claiming that the Lord would come back, not once but twice: first in secret before the tribulation starts to get all the believers; and then for a second time after tribulation.

This spread like a grass fire with the help of Edward Irving (Minister of the Church of Scotland until he was dismissed in 1832, only to form the Catholic Apostolic Church) and with the help of John Darby (a pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren).


Today the pre-tribulation rapture it is accepted as the absolute undisputed truth in most, if not all, of the Christian Community, who most likely do not even know the truth about its origin. Again, check it out for yourself.


Why on earth would you or anyone else leave the answer to this life and death issue up to someone else's interpretation, what they think, or worse, to some European teenage girl's dream? ( Besides, the scriptures say the dream must occur twice to be established of God. Gen. 41:32 )

Is it better to believe what you are told that somebody heard that somebody else said, not bothering to check it out; or is it better to search it out for ourselves in the "Word of God" and then believe what the "Word of God" says?


Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowlege......




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Steven the one problem I am having with this timeline shows that the 3 1/2 years of peace and safety started in 2010, but there has been no peace, in fact the last year has been the most volatile year that I can remember in my adult life.

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To read the scripture verses for yourself that are used claiming a pre-trib rapture go to the article called "The Rapture - Pre or Post Tribulation"(Below)
This article covers a multitude of scriptures concerning the what, where, and when.




THE RAPTURE: PRE TRIBULATION OR POST?


Yeshua has already come to this earth once, and He brought salvation with Him. Yes, I confess that Yeshua is the Messiah and my sins were blotted out with His own blood. We all have the same choice; He has the power and the authority. His blood can either blot our sins or our name.

Throughout the centuries those who believe in Yeshua have been looking for His Second Coming and something called the Great Tribulation. Now here is the big question: Will some be raptured out of the Earth to escape the dreaded Tribulation or will everyone go through it, including the saints? A great controversy shadows this debated life and death issue and it comes with two conflicting answers.

Most Christians believe in the “pre-tribulation rapture” as the undisputed truth. Even though slightly different versions co-exist, the majority accepts something like the following: The rapture can occur in any year, on any day, or at any moment. Suddenly, and without warning, Gabriel sounds a trumpet blast, Jesus gathers all the believers (called the Church) who are then caught up out of the earth just before hell breaks loose in the form of a seven-year tribulation. Those who have not accepted Christ, along with the evildoers are doomed to remain on the earth and experience this wrath filled tribulation first hand. At or near it’s conclusion Jesus comes again to defeat the surviving evildoers at a battle called Armageddon. In the pre-trib rapture scenario it can be debated this theory clearly suggests the Messiah returns not once but twice: First at the secret rapture and then again at Armageddon!

Other believers, mostly Messianic, say the scripture teaches the Messiah’s return will be immediately after tribulation at the sound of the Seventh Trumpet Angel of Revelation (The Last Trump) that begins the “Feast of Trumpets” better known as the Day of the Lord.

Everyone has an opinion, but the thing that really matters is what God says. The scripture speaks for itself better than we can. We only need to filter out our previous religious programming so we can clearly what the Word of God really says. Any comment in BLUE is to bring attention to what the Scripture actually says, rather than what we may have been told it says. Below are selections from Moses, Yeshua Himself, John in Revelation, and Paul.


WHAT MOSES WRITES


We begin with Moses as he records in the following verse in the Torah. He is addressing all Israel who has journeyed the last forty years (grafted or not), and a future generation yet to come. Obviously Moses says there will be those living in the latter days that will experience tribulation, but who?


Deuteronomy 4:3 -31 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, (The last generation) if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; ( For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God; ) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. (This document obviously pre-dates the so-called “church fathers.” The covenant God swore to remember was with the fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God cannot lie; therefore the church cannot take Israel’s place. )

The next section contains the words of our Lord Himself as He expounds very plainly about this time of trouble. If any one knows the who, what, and when, He does.

WHAT YESHUA SAYS


Yeshua Himself gives the Parable of the Harvest; it is about the end times. As you read the parable and comments, look for clues of the pre-tribulation rapture.

Matthew 13:24-30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed (children of the kingdom) in his field; ( world, creation ) But while men slept, his enemy ( Satan ) came and sowed tares ( evil seed ) among the wheat ( good seed ), and went his way. But when the blade ( the first fruits from creation, the beginning ) was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. ( Evil seed that was sown after God had planted the good seed. ) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this ( Satan ). The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them (The tares) up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them (the wheat is NOT to be disturbed). Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them The Word of God says, the evil are gathered FIRST, not one single good seed has been up rooted or gathered AT ANY TIME. The righteous were not gathered until after the tares were cast into the fire; then comes the wheat. ) but gather the wheat into my barn.

There is NOT one hint of good seed being taken at any time until after the evil are taken and cast into the fire! Yeshua puts all the good seed and all the evil seed at the same place and at the same time. No pre-trib rapture was taught here and the righteous (good seed) was not removed. It was the tares that were removed first and burned. Here is the second witness to the Parable of the Harvest.

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Notice His Kingdom is already here. It takes 3 things to make His kingdom: 1. The King, 2. The King’s Subjects, and 3. The Land. Now, if the angels must gather out of His kingdom only things that offend, it means there MUST be those present who do not offend. ) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (This is a second witness to the parable of the Harvest; the subjects were not raptured out of the land; it is the offenders who are gathered and cast into the fire. The righteous were NOT the ones removed.)


Next, in His own words, Yeshua compares His coming as in the days of Noah. Please pay close attention to exactly what Yeshua says here; there are no idle words in the Scriptures of Truth:


Matthew 24:37-41 But as the days of Noe [ were ], (Noah experienced and survived the flood judgment ) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ( Rather that being raptured, Noah and his sons prepared a place of safety. ) For as in the days that were before the flood they (the wicked) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (The place of safety. ), And KNEW NOT until the flood came, and took them (the wicked) all away; (Notice that Noah was in the ark SEVEN full DAYS before the rain started and the Messiah said “ THEY ” ( the wicked ) “ KNEW NOT ” (understood not) “ UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME ” and took them all away. Yeshua did NOT mention one syllable about any repenting during those seven days; but on the contrary, Yeshua said the wicked had NO Understanding until the flood (judgment) was already upon them. ) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ( Yeshua then repeated word for word that His coming is like the days of Noah, returning to a wicked generation who will not understand even up unto the Day of the Lord ( judgment ). Think about it, if the wicked of our generation were to understand or repent, would the nations still gather at Jezreel? No. ) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. ( This is the major quote used by the pre-tribulation rapture theorists and they’ve got it backward. Who was taken and who was left in Noah’s day? The evil ones / tares were taken. Noah was left! The righteous were the ones who were left! ) Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. ( Proverbs 10:30 , says, “the righteous will never be removed.” So who was removed? The evil ones, the tares, Noah dwelt safely in the ark that he and his sons prepared.


We find more selections given by Yeshua that pertain directly to the Great Tribulation and His Second Coming.


Matthew 24: 13-21 But he that shall endure unto the end, ( end of tribulation ) the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ( Yeshua goes straight from the Gospel preached, to the tribulation, continuing immediately to Yeshua’s introduction of an abomination that occurs. No rapture even mentioned here. ), When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, ( This is the abomination that happens in the midst of the seven years (Daniel Chap.9 ), which triggers the last 42 months called the Great Tribulation. Yeshua says WHEN WE see it; not IF we see it; NO IDLE WORDS.) stand in the holy place (the temple mount), ( whoso readeth, let him understand; ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day; For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. ( The Great Tribulation starts HERE in the midst of the 7 years, and again, there has been absolutely NO mention or even a hint of any form of rapture, only fleeing. )


Now we will look at other selections where Yeshua is telling us that His coming is immediately after tribulation. There can only be ONE Second Coming and He has never mentioned returning before tribulation at any time in any verse.


Matthew 24:29 –30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days (The days of Tribulation are now OVER, every word following this point is unmistakably POST-TRIB.) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then ( after tribulation ) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (after tribulation) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (There can only be ONE SECOND COMING. Yeshua says it Himself: after tribulation)


Mark 13:11- 23 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up ( in tribulation ), take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. ( It is written that Holy men of old spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost speaks through someone, they are certainly one of Yeshua’s. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture.) Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake Here is someone who is on the earth during tribulation that is hated because of his relationship with the Messiah. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture ) but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ( The end of tribulation ) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (This same person who is hated for his relationship with the Messiah sees the abomination in the midst of the Seven Year Tribulation. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture.) (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter [ therein ], to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. (If you are fleeing you are still here) For [in] those days shall be affliction (tribulation), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. ( According to the Lord Himself, we see here that the elect are still on the earth. If they are, rest assured all the other saints are as well. ), And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here [is] Christ; or, lo, [he is] there; believe [ him ] not Think about it, in the pre-trib scenario, Yeshua has already come and gone with all the raptured saints, all that’s left on the earth are the evil ones. Then why would anybody be looking for Christ who has obviously already come and gone?) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (Notice again that the elect, God’s people are still here) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. ( Yeshua has warned us )


John 17:15-16 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, (Is this not the same as to say: I pray that they stay in the world?) but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


WHAT PAUL SAYS ABOUT WHO AND WHEN


The next scripture is taken from Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians about the Lord coming back. He gives us the time of the Lord’s return and what the signal will be. In this letter, Paul also teaches concerning the brethren in Christ who have died are but asleep and will be the first to be resurrected and raptured when the Lord returns. All we need to do is read to order of events:


Thessalonians-1 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. ( The resurrection ) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (Here are those who are alive and remain and those who are STILL asleep. They have NOT been resurrected. Therefore, NONE have been raptured or resurrected yet since it is the dead in Christ who will rise FIRST. ) For the Lord himself shall descend ( immediately after tribulation Matthew 24:29–30 ) from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the LAST trump *See Corinthians-1 15:51-53 Cross Reference below): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: THEN we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. ( Comfort? Why comfort if there is a pre-tribulation rapture? )



*Corinthians-1 15:51-53 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump This verse dates Thessalonians-1 4:13-18. This is when and only when there is anything at all like a rapture. It plainly says that it will be at the LAST trumpet angel which is at the end of tribulation on the Day of the Lord. ) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, (Seventh trumpet angel; *See Revelation 10:5-7 Cross Reference below ) and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.


*Revelation 10:5-7 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, ( The voice of the 7th angel and the last trump are one and the same. ) when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, (The angel sounds at the finish, not the beginning.) as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Back to Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians: Paul’s next letter to them is answering some apparent question they had. He writes on the same subject but as in 1st Thessalonians because some seemed concerned when the Lord returns. The word gets back to Paul and he has to elaborate on what he was telling them before. Now lets take up at the first of the explanation.


Thessalonians-2 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.( He is saying to just stay calm. ) Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (The antichrist must be revealed first, and when does that happen? According to Daniel, and Yeshua quotes Daniel, it is not until THE MIDST OF THE WEEK… The midst of the seven years of tribulation. )


Thessalonians-2 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion (What kind of a delusion? It is possible that it is a pre-tribulation theory?), that they should believe a lie: That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


WHAT JOHN WRITES IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION


Now lets look at some verses right out of Revelation and again read what is actually written instead of going by what we have heard or been taught.


Revelation 7:2-4 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. ( Here four angels have power to hurt but are told to wait till the servants of God are sealed. If they were going to be raptured they would not need to be sealed! This means they are on the Earth and staying on it. ) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (These are also called the elect in other verses. Why are they still on the earth? Is it not to be a light unto God’s people who are here too? )


Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, (If they came out of it, they were in it.) and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Revelation 13:7-9 And it was given unto him (the beast) to make war with the saints ( If the saints are raptured out, how is it that the beast is making war with them?…ANSWER: No Pre Tribulation Rapture ), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. ( Rev. 13:7-9 says both are on the earth…some who are written the Book of Life and some who are not. If you worship the beast YOUR NAME IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.


Revelation 13:15 And he ( the false prophet, some famous religious leader of the time ) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ( If only the wicked were left, who are these who would not worshiping the beast? )

Anyone who believes in a pre-trib rapture must totally disregard ALL of the preceding verses, or try to explain them away somehow, or totally ignore them altogether.

In conclusion, we also find many references teaching the meek will inherit the earth, and here are two witnesses confirming this as fact.

Psalms 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.


Matthew 5:5. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


Now, please follow along with the simple logic of this: It is written, “The meek shall inherit the earth.” Now that being said, “The Church” believes in a pre-trib rapture, and “The Church” believes they will inherit the earth. If they inherit the earth, they must also number themselves among the meek. Therefore, the last verse below binds the “The Church,” on earth along with everyone else during the Great Tribulation.


Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.


The Day of the Lord’s Anger and Armageddon are unmistakably joined together. The Day of the Lord undisputedly comes at the end of Tribulation. It comes as the seventh trumpet angel sounds “Feast of Trumpets,” also called the LAST Trump. The dead in Christ shall then rise first and we are caught up with them. Yeshua has already come to this earth once, and salvation came with Him; In His Second Coming He brings God’s wrath and Judgment to the wicked and He brings redemption to those who are His.


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The following article is about the history of the
“Secret Rapture” and its origin




ORIGIN OF THE SECRET RAPTURE THEORY




To many it is both amazing and shocking to discover that neither the word rapture nor the doctrine/teaching of a "secret rapture" is to be found in any bible translation. Moreover, it is not even mentioned in any "Christian" literature prior to the year 1830.

Dave MacPherson, author of “The Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin,” reveals that the "rapture" teaching was born in England during the mid-1800's. MacPherson's research found that a Church of Scotland minister, named Edward Irving, was the first to preach the "rapture gospel."

Just how the "rapture" theory occurred to Irving is an intriguing facet of modern churchianity's history. Irving held some eccentric positions on the use of "spiritual" gifts, including speaking in tongues and prophesying. He contended that these gifts were for the present day "church", and had quite a few followers of his radical notions. However, when chaotic disturbances arose in Irving's services during the manifestations of these "gifts", the Church of Scotland took action, dismissing Irving from his position as minister in 1832.

The ultimate result of Irving's dismissal was the formation of the Catholic Apostolic Church, which still exists until this day. Irving's movement grew and became the basis of modern day pentecostalism. The natural evolution of this movement has resulted in the recent emergence of the "Toronto Laughing Spirit" phenomenon which has seduced and mislead more than a few well-intentioned people.

However, in 1830 during one of Irving's sessions before his dismissal, a young Scottish girl, named Margaret MacDonald, fell into a "trance". After several hours of "vision" and "prophesying" she revealed that "christ's" return would occur in two phases, not just one. "Christ" would first come visibly to only the righteous, then He would come a second time to execute wrath on the unrighteous in the nations.

This "secret rapture" was promoted by Irving claiming he, too, had heard a "voice" from heaven commanding him to teach it. (Some modern researchers submit that Irving's speculations of the "rapture were influenced by the Spanish Jesuit priest, Lacunza whose book Irving had translated in 1827 under the title, The coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty)

John Darby, an Englishman and pioneer of the "Plymouth Brethren" movement became caught up in the rapture philosophies of Irving. When Darby heard about Irving's activities, he traveled to Scotland to talk with Irving and his followers about the "secret rapture". It was Darby who became the master developer of "scriptural" arguments to support the theory/doctrine that evolved.

Darby's development of the "rapture" theory has since become widely popularized in Britain and finally in the U.S., largely as a result of Cyrus Scofield's notes in his Scofield Reference Bible.

Belief in the "secret rapture" doctrine has become so widespread among today's "evangelicals" and "fundamentalists" that many sitting in the pews assume that the teaching dates back to the apostles themselves and the Messiah. Regardless of whom one regards as the originator of the teaching — whether Irving, Darby, Margaret MacDonald, or a Jesuit priest - one thing is obvious; the "secret rapture" theory is of relatively recent origin. Moreover, it has no basis in fact nor was it ever a teaching of the Messiah, Apostles, or the early movement begun by Messiah. End of Article…

CLOSING COMMENTS



It is common knowledge that modern technology is migrating toward a cashless world. News reports are being given regularly on a computer chip that will eliminate cash and credit cards all together. It is also common knowledge in tribulation buying and selling cannot be done without the Mark of the Beast, but there is a catch, if you have the Mark, you are doomed to eternal ****ation.

If a religious leader told you, “Its OK to take a computer chip implant” saying, “it can’t be the Mark of the Beast because we haven’t been raptured yet,” what would you do? If there is not a pre-tribulation rapture, the issue of an implanted chip in your hand or forehead becomes an immediate life and death situation that could destroy you and your family. It is plain and simple; who ever takes the Mark of the Beast is cast into Hell. You will have doomed yourself and anyone else in your family that has taken it with you, or anyone that you have caused to take it. Would you want someone making those kinds of choices for you? It is your soul and your loved ones that are at stake. Lets all read and learn for ourself. The truth is there right before our eyes.



Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”





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Prophecy Is Multi-layered


This is the very problem….. Most do not understand that prophecy comes multi-layered. For instance, everyone understands how the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan 9:24-27) meant the First Coming of our Messiah ( 70 X 7 = 490 yrs.) But..... our Father Himself tells us there is more to Scripture and Prophecy than just the surface meanings……..




Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:



Since He explained how the “ancient things” reveal the “future,” and from the beginning (Creation Week) He declared/revealed the end (Latter Years), it is just like our Father to use the same Daniel Scriptures (Dan 9:24-27) to reveal, not only our Messiah’s First Coming, but to reveal BOTH…the First and the Second Coming, and He does just that... He is the master at this and He will not be limited.



Consider the Manna: While feeding Israel, the Father gave them the 1 through 7 week; He gave them the Sabbath, He gave them a task for them to obey seeing if they would walk in His law or not, He gave them the calendar, and the location of the Feast days that would be given soon. He also gave them a Prophetic Shadow Picture… As Israel took the manna (bread from Heaven) into their bodies He illustrated the True Bread From Heaven who was to come exemplifying the spiritual picture of how we are to take the Messiah into us, and on and on......... He did a multi-layered work by using only one thing. The wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob cannot be measured


Yes, what one prophecy or timing means to one generation, the same prophecy can reveal a deeper understanding to a future generation as Yah reveals more of Himself; even another level of fulfillment that did not pertain to a past generation. People get stuck in the single mind-set thinking: "OK that prophecy has been fulfilled now on to the next one,” and all the while become blind to what is happening in our own lifetime.


An excellent example of this degreed fulfillment is found in the 30, 60, and 100-fold pattern in growth and prophecy that Yeshua Himself taught.



Some brought forth fruit, some 30-fold and some 60-fold and some 100-fold. This is the same as to say: Fruit (30-fold); More Fruit (60-fold); and Much Fruit (100-fold). Another is being baptized with Water (30), with the Holy Ghost (60), and with Fire (100-fold). Also we see the same pattern in the good (30), acceptable (60), and perfect (100-fold) will of the Father being done. Or how about first the blade (30-fold), then the corn in the ear (60-fold), and finally the full ear of corn (100-fold)...



A major example of 30, 60, and 100-fold is also the Tabernacle itself: the outer court (30), the inner court (60) and the Holy of Holies (100-fold). The pieces of furniture not only represent an order of worship, but also each piece represents one of the Feasts of the LORD, each piece represents one day in the creation week, each piece represents a separate millennia, as well as our spiritual walk toward Him, and much more.


There are many such examples of degrees of fulfillment in prophecy as when Yah revealed the end while giving us the beginning…. thus we also recognize the multi-layered fulfillment of Daniel. Our Father will not allow what was to stop what is yet prophesied to come.



To give further witness to Daniel’s prophecy as a multi-layered prophecy, Daniel 9:24 speaks about the end of several things.



Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.





Have all the transgressions been finished, has an end been made to all sin or is it still going on, has everlasting righteousness been ushered in yet, has the Most Holy been anointed yet, etc., etc? In a measure they have by Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection, but obviously not to the fullness that He intends to do in our generation. So we can clearly see there is much more to this prophecy than just the surface reading.



Another witness: One might say the swine sacrificed on the Altar by Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled Daniel’s abomination prophecy. Another can say no, it was the Dome of the Rock that was set up 1300+years ago that fulfilled the Daniel’s abomination prophecy. The fact remains that another abomination will be set up on the Temple mount other than what has happened in the past. It is that abomination that starts the remaining 1260-day woman in the wilderness and the 1260-day two witness prophecies. There will be another abomination all right and it will be set up just days after the Altar is shut down in 2013. Yah will not allow what was, to stop what is prophesied to come. Whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.


Now, what about the Messiah being cut off? He cannot be crucified a second time so how can this be multi-layered…? The word used for “cut off” is “Karath” and comes with multi-layered meanings too.



Cut off:

Karath (kaw-rath'); Verb, Strong #: 3772


to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
We know, as Yeshua taught, when we accept Him into our lives (partake of His blood and His body) we become part of " His body." ( known in the Christian community as "the body of Christ" ) And it was Yeshua Himself who said what you have done to the least of one of these (we who are His) is the same as doing it unto Him. Should someone should harm you or kill you for His sake, Yeshua takes this personally as doing it unto Him. And... there will also be an agreement/covenant confirmed only to be cut off in the midst of the final "Week" as well.

For all practical purposes, this world and this country we live in has already begun trying to cut Him off. This evil world will certainly try to cut Yeshua off from even mentioning His name. Those who refuse to deny Him and continue to profess Him will be labeled as religious fanatics and eventually considered a threat to national security. The evil powers of this world are out to cut Him off all right; they try to cut Him off more and more every day; out of schools, court rooms, public prayer, and every other place they can think of to eliminate Him off the face of the earth. One day in the near future we may not even be able to mention His name without being arrested, or even killed just like it was almost 2000 years ago when the believers were persecuted.


All of the things given to Daniel were to be sealed up UNTIL the latter days and those days are upon us.


Da 12:9-10 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Even Yeshua spoke in ways that the wise would understand but the wicked would not.


Mt 13:34-35 All these things spake Yeshua unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.



Again, we MUST understand this .......... whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.


Blessings……….Dewey


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A Seven Year "At a Glance" Calendar

( The Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 Years of the 7 year Prophetic Week )




Mat 24:15-21 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.





Those who believe in the False Doctrine called "The Pre-Tribulation Rapture" obviously do not believe the "Final 7yr Week" has begun simply because they have not been raptured ! This is a critical error on their part. They usually reason as follows: I haven't been raptured so this is proof the last 7yr week has not started and since the last 7yr period has not started, is the reason why I haven't been raptured.......... It is called "Circular Reasoning."







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Roman Rule ( 63 BCE-313 CE ) =========================================

When the Romans replaced the Seleucids as the great power in the region, they granted the Hasmonean king, Hyrcanus II, limited authority under the Roman governor of Damascus. The Jews were hostile to the new regime, and the following years witnessed frequent insurrections. A last attempt to restore the former glory of the Hasmonean dynasty was made by Mattathias Antigonus, whose defeat and death brought Hasmonean rule to an end (40 BCE), and the Land became a province of the Roman Empire. In 37 BCE Herod, a son-in-law of Hyrcanus II, was appointed King of Judea by the Romans. Granted almost unlimited autonomy in the country's internal affairs, he became one of the most powerful monarchs in the eastern part of the Roman Empire. A great admirer of Greco-Roman culture. Herod launched a massive construction program, which included the cities of Caesarea and Sebaste and the fortresses at Herodium and Masada. He also remodeled the Temple into one of the most magnificent buildings of its time. But despite his many achievements, Herod failed to win the trust and support of his Jewish subjects. Ten years after Herod's death (4 BCE), Judea came under direct Roman administration. Growing anger against increased Roman suppression of Jewish life resulted in sporadic violence that escalated into a full-scale revolt in 66 CE. Superior Roman forces led by Titus were finally victorious, razing Jerusalem to the ground (70 CE) and defeating the last Jewish outpost at Masada.

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Israel’s history documents that Herod, a great admirer of Greco-Roman culture, was given rule in 37BC. The commandment to restore and rebuild could have gone forth as early as one year after Herod was granted unlimited autonomy in the country’s internal affairs. This would place the time at 36BC when the restoration began on several projects including the Temple.

The prophecy in Daniel 9:25-27 plainly states that after threescore and 2 weeks (62 years) have passed from the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off in the midst of the week (within a 7yr period).

Yeshua's ministry began in 27AD at His baptism (Mikvah) during the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) followed a 40 day fast in which He was tempted. This was only a few months before the fall Feast of the LORD as Yeshua began to reach 30 years of age.

If Yeshua’s ministry lasted 3 1/2 years before He was crucified, this puts the crucifixion year in 30AD and within the 7 year week. If Yeshua's ministry only lasted 70 weeks as some have begun to teach, the crucifixtion year still falls within the seven year week. This also falls in line with His birth at 3 BC…

Certainly this was fulfilled just as Daniel’s prophecy stated.




As you can see, this would have also fit the 69 year prophecy perfectly as well (from the commandment to restore unto the Messiah the Prince shall be threescore, seven and two weeks).

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An interesting thought arises.......

Had Yeshua finished the 7 year prophetic week, is there any possibility the Kingdom could have been established if Yeshua had been recognized as the Messiah; could He have been Crowned Prince? Is there any hint at all in the scriptures allowing this to be considered as even a remote possibility?

I really don't know, but in Isaiah 46:9-10 we are told by God Himself to: remember the former things of old, that He, declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done; which means the past will show the future.

Now, that being said, there is a very interesting parallel that surfaces......

When the scribes and the Pharisees asked Yeshua for a sign, He said there is no sign given but Jonas 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, and thats where most everyone stops, after connecting the 3 days and nights.

But, finishing the story, Jonas was told to tell the people of Nineveh of the judgment that was about to fall on them and they were all about to be destroyed. Every man, woman, child, and beast fasted 40 days, God stayed the judgment and destroyed them not because (1) they believed God and (2) repented of their evil ways.

Yeshua recounts this experience to the scribes and Pharisees below:

Mt 12:38-41

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation,and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Also there is the following verse:

Mt 12:6-7 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

So, to answer the question: Had they recognized Him as the Messiah and finished the 7 year prophetic week, is there any possibility this could have meant the Kingdom would have been established; could He have been Crowned Prince at that time?

I cannot say, but I personally would not label it as completely out of the question. After all it is written, "With God, all things are possible."



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Fellow Doves,

For 25+ years I've always believed there was going to be a Peace treaty with Israel, signed (or confirmed) by the Antichrist, which we will begin the 7 year tribulation. I also firmly believed we would be raptured before the AC appeared on the scene....you could say i was a 100% pre-tribber. Until I studied the Word of God for myself.


Here's what we already know:
Dan 9:24-27 says the AC will arise and confirm a covenant (agreement) with the many. While I disagree with Ron Reese and Mathman's 2008-2015 timeline, i believe they were on track by naming Obama as the AC...but i believe they are looking at the wrong starting date as the beginning of the final 7 years.

"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate..." (verse 27).

We know that the "one week" is the final 7 year period.
We agree that the middle of the final 7 years, the sacrifices cease and the abomination is set up.

Here's what I recently discovered, regarding Dan 9:27:

"Then he (antichrist) shall confirm a covenant (agreement) with many for one week..."

I believe the 7 year period (one week) isn't something that was planned by man to be an actual 7 year peace treaty with Israel. Rather, the final 7 years (one week) that Daniel already marked out for us in this prophecy of the 70 years began when a "peace agreement" was made to the world. I believe this "peace agreement" made to the world was when the Nobel Peace prize was awarded to Obama on Oct 9, 2009.

Dan 11:21 tells us, "...but he shall come in peaceably and seize the kingdom by intrigue".

Dan 11:23-24, "And after the league is made with him he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people. He shall enter peaceably, even into the richest places of the province; and he shall do what his fathers have not done, nor his forefathers: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches, and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds, but only for a time".



Oct 9, 2009 is the date that began the final 7 years!!

For those who have watched the "Daniels Timeline" video series (www.danielstimeline.com SEE VIDEO at The TOP OF THIS THREAD) published in 2005, you know that the presenter used "scripture to validate scripture" and thus, marked out March 22, 2013 as the exact mid-point of the final 7 years. I was SHOCKED when i discovered that exactly 1260 days prior to March 22, 2013 was Oct 9, 2009....the exact date the Norwegien Nobel Committee announced the Nobel Peace prize was to be awarded to Obama (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/laureates/laureates-2009/announce-2009/).


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Updated Version with NEW GRAPICS

THE "HE" IN DANIEL IS JESUS CHRIST NOT THE anti Christ

THIS WILL BLOW YOUR MIND - THE '1599 GENEVA BIBLE' DANIEL 9:26 FOOTNOTE [ a } STATES..........


That Messiah came in the seventieth week . Read it for yourself . Go to Bible Gateway 1599 Geneva Bible Daniel 9:26 and read footnote a.



The word "least' here means 'last' and is numbered "seventy".


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Daniel 9

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)



9 3 Daniel desireth to have that performed of God, which he had promised concerning the return of the people from their banishment in Babylon. 5 A true confession. 20 Daniel’s prayer is heard. 21 Gabriel the Angel expoundeth unto him the vision of the seventy weeks. 24 The anointing of Christ. 25 The building again of Jerusalem. 26 The death of Christ.



1 In the first year of Darius the son of [ a ]Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the [ b ]realm of the Chaldeans,



2 Even in the first year of his reign, I Daniel understood by [ c ]books the number of the years, whereof the Lord had spoken unto Jeremiah the Prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem.



3 And I turned my face unto the Lord God, and [ d ]sought by prayer and supplications with fasting and sackcloth and ashes.



4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, saying, Oh Lord God which art [ e ]great and fearful, and keepest covenant and mercy toward them which love [ f ]thee, and toward them that keep thy commandments,



5 We have sinned and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, yea, we have rebelled, and have departed from thy precepts, and from thy judgments.



6 For we would not obey thy servants the Prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, and to all the people of the land.



7 O Lord, [ g ]righteousness belongeth unto thee, and unto us [ h ]open shame, as appeareth this day unto every man of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, yea, unto all Israel, both near and far off, through all the country, whither thou hast driven them, because of their offences, that they have committed against thee.



8 O Lord, unto us appertaineth open shame, to our [ I ]Kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.



9 Yet compassion and forgiveness is in the Lord our God, albeit we have rebelled against him.



10 For we have not obeyed the [ j ]voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he hath laid before us by the ministry of his servants the Prophets.



11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy Law, and are turned back, and have not heard thy voice: therefore the [ k ]curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the Law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.



12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that [ l ]judged us, by bringing upon us a great plague: for under the whole heaven hath not been the like, as hath been brought upon Jerusalem.



13 All this plague is come upon us, as it is written in the Law of Moses: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand thy truth.



14 Therefore hath the Lord made ready the plague, and brought it upon us: for the Lord our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we would not hear his voice.



15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as appeareth this day, we have sinned, we have done wickedly.



16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy wrath be turned away from thy city Jerusalem thine holy Mountain: because of our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are a reproach to all that are about us.



17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to [ o ]shine upon thy Sanctuary, that lieth waste for the Lord’s sake.



18 O my God, incline thine ear and hear: open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city whereupon thy Name is called: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our own [ q ]righteousness, but for thy great tender mercies.



19 O Lord hear, O Lord forgive, O Lord [ r ]consider, and do it: defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy Name is called upon thy city, and thy people.



20 ¶ And while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin, and the sin of my people Israel, and did present my supplication before the Lord my God, for the holy Mountain of my God,



21 Yea, while I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen before in the vision, came flying, and touched me about the time of the evening oblation.



22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee knowledge and understanding.



23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show thee, for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter and consider the vision.



24 Seventy [ s ]weeks are determined upon [ t ]thy people and upon thine holy city, to finish the wickedness, and to seal up ( u )the sins, and to reconcile the iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.



25 Know therefore and understand that from ( v ) the going forth of the commandment to bring again the people, and to build Jerusalem, unto Messiah the Prince, shall be seven [ w ] weeks and threescore and two weeks, and the street shall be built again, and the wall even in a [ y ]troublous time.



26 And after threescore and two [ z ]weeks, shall Messiah be slain, and shall [ aa ]have nothing, and the people of the [ ab ]prince that shall come, shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood: and unto the end of the battle it shall be destroyed by desolations.



27 And he [ ac ]shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to [ ad ]cease, [ ae ]and for the overspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Footnotes:

a. Daniel 9:1 Who was also called Astyages.

b. Daniel 9:1 For Cyrus led with ambition, went about wars in other countries, and therefore Darius had the title of the kingdom, though Cyrus was king in effect.

c. Daniel 9:2 For though he was an excellent Prophet, yet he daily increased in knowledge by reading of the Scriptures.

d. Daniel 9:3 He speaketh not of that ordinary prayer, which he used in his house thrice a day, but of a rare and vehement prayer, least their sins should cause God to delay the time of their deliverance prophesied by Jeremiah.

e. Daniel 9:4 That is, hast all power in thyself to execute thy terrible judgments against obstinate sinners, as thou art rich in mercy to comfort them which obey thy word and love thee.

f. Daniel 9:4 Hebrew, him.

g. Daniel 9:7 He showeth that whensoever God punisheth, he doeth it for just cause: and thus the godly never accuse him of rigor as the wicked do, but acknowledge that in themselves there is just cause why he should so entreat them.

h. Daniel 9:7 Hebrew, confusion of face.

i. Daniel 9:8 He doth not excuse the kings because of their authority, but prayeth chiefly for them as the chief occasions of these great plagues.

j. Daniel 9:10 He showeth that they rebel against God, which serve him not according to his commandment and word.

k. Daniel 9:11 As Deut. 27:15, or the curse confirmed by an oath.

l. Daniel 9:12 Or, governed us.

m. Daniel 9:14 Hebrew, watched upon the evil.

n. Daniel 9:16 That is, according to all thy merciful promises and the performance thereof.

o. Daniel 9:17 Show thyself favorable.

p. Daniel 9:17 That is, for thy Christ’s sake in whom thou wilt accept all our prayers.

q. Daniel 9:18 Declaring, that the godly flee only unto God’s mercies, and renounce their own works, when they seek for remission of their sins.

r. Daniel 9:19 Thus he could not content himself with any vehemence of words: for he was so led with a fervent zeal considering God’s promise made to the city in respect of his Church, and for the advancement of God’s glory.

s. Daniel 9:24 He alludeth to Jeremiah’s prophecy: who prophesied that their captivity should be seventy years: but now God’s mercy should sevenfold exceed his judgment, which should be four hundred and ninety years, even to the coming of Christ, and so then it should continue forever.

t. Daniel 9:24 Meaning, Daniel’s nation, over whom he was careful.

u. Daniel 9:24 To show mercy and to put sin out of remembrance.

v. Daniel 9:25 That is, from the time that Cyrus gave them leave to depart.

w. Daniel 9:25 These weeks make forty-nine years, whereof 46 are referred to the time of the building of the Temple, and three to the laying of the foundation.

x. Daniel 9:25 Counting from the sixth year of Darius, who gave the second commandment for the building of the Temple are 62 weeks, which make 434 years, which comprehend the time from the building of the Temple unto the baptism of Christ.

y. Daniel 9:25 Hebrew, in straits of time.

z. Daniel 9:26 In this least week of the seventy, shall Christ come and preach and suffer death.

aa. Daniel 9:26 He shall seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation, as Isa. 53:2.

ab. Daniel 9:26 Meaning Titus, Vespasian’s son, who should come and destroy both the Temple and the people without all hope of recovery.

ac. Daniel 9:27 By the preaching of the Gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

ad. Daniel 9:27 Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

ae. Daniel 9:27 Meaning, that Jerusalem and the Sanctuary should be utterly destroyed for their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague shall be so great, that they shall be all astonied at them.





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THERE IS NO 7 YEAR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE VERSE IN THE BIBLE

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