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Mathman and Doves,

Your letter on .." Mathman and others are wrong.." , dated 12-23-11 was IMHO exceptionally well presented and thought out. And if we are off this rock by Apr. 11, 2012 then that would be extremely acceptable, of course !
The numbers obviously add up, and there are more than enough numerical witnesses to convince anyone of the soundness of the Jubillee math.

I do have one teeny reservation to bring up..if the Ezekiel 38, 39 war is during the tribulation, as many believe, ( 39: 22 " So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.") then how come it says they destroy the bodies for seven years afterward ? ( " 39 : 9 " And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall BURN THEM WITH FIRE SEVEN YEARS. " )
Being we have less than 4 years until Trumpets 2015, then if this war WAS to break out AFTER the rapture, then they would have to be burning that stuff well into the Millennial Reign of Christ. I for one do not think The Lord Jesus would appreciate all those stinky fires and smoke mussing up His Kingdom...Why wouldn't He just send the angels to " Presto-cleano" and make it go away ?
And theoretically, this battle could not happen in the end of the millennium after the devil is loosed for a season and forms the last siege against Israel, because A) The Lord is present, and B)the adversaries mentioned should be mostly wiped out in the great tribulation at Christ's second advent.

I do hope and pray you are right, Mathman, and thank you for the encouragement and excitement you've bolstered in us in looking forward that much more in anticipation to that blessed day.

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Gerry Almond (13 Dec 2011)
"TO: MATHMAN....THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL ENDS 9/23/2015...NO DOUBT."

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TO: MATHMAN…..YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

I read today, your response to Amy and I could not agree more. Since you mentioned my name in the post, I would like you to have this. I woke up to this fact on January 27, 2011, by a “bullet thru the brain” kind of experience. The Holy Spirit has spoken in that manner to me before.

I don’t see why folks cannot see this as the “smoking gun” evidence clearly earmarking the times. For those still doubting that the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy of the end times began Oct 29/30, 2011, a double witness has been provided. Just consider them and see if you agree that the 70th week is WELL underway, over 3 years now.

Witness #1:

The tetrads of eclipses identified and publicized through the primary work of Mark Biltz, a Seattle pastor, which mark out a 7 year period ENDING 9/23/2015, the date of the Feast of Tabernacles in 2015. These have had so much coverage, that by now they are probably second nature to watchers who understand the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation.

Witness #2:

I think that the most compelling evidence that the 70th week is identified as ending on 9/23/2015 is the count of days of the Jewish (re)gathering into the holy land. As I have posted before, the count is EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE COUNT OF THE DAYS OF NOAH IN CONSTRUCTING THE ARK. Why is applicable? Because it is in the book of Matthew, THE GOSPEL WRITTEN TO THE JEWS TO PRESENT JESUS AS THE KING OF THE JEWS, that the verse is given in chapter 24, telling them that “as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it also be in the days of the coming of the son of man” (vs 32). From the first day of the (re)gathering of the Jews to go back to Palestine after 1,827 years of exile on 8/31/1897 to the time until 9/23/2015 counts to exactly 43,125 days. Simply add the 75 days found in Daniel 12 and you have 43,200 days total.

Now, all you have to do is simply multiply 120 years of Noah’s time by 360 days per year (as the year was then) and again, you have 43,200 days. This is ABSOLUTE PROOF in my mind, and should be to any open-minded prophecy watcher, that the end for Israel is to be 9/23/2015 plus 75 days to 12/7/2015. NO LATER THAN THIS IS THE END OF THE MATTER. This means that 12/8/2015 is the first day of the KINGDOM AGE! AND THAT AGE IS FOR ISRAEL!!!!

HERE IS THE PROOF OF THE MATTER

Theodor Herzel founded modern Israel on 8/31/1897 with the proclamation of the first Jewish Congress, period. It opened Palestine to a Jewish presence after 1,827 years of dispersion. Herzl pledged Jewish support to the British Empire in its war with the Ottoman Empire in exchange for this proclamation. After defeat of the Ottomans at the end of WW 1, Lord Balfour wrote and presented the Balfour Declaration which gave the Jews what had been promised to Herzl. Later, after some of the Jews settled in Palestine, their ancient homeland, and after they had bought and paid for the property there, came Adolph Hitler’s plan of genocide. Out of the furnaces and death camps of Poland and Germany, after the defeat of Hitler’s Third Reich, the United Nations was born, replacing the defunct League of Nations. On November 29, 1947, a draft was presented which was formalized on May 14, 1948 under the auspices of the United States via it President Harry S. Truman. Thus, Israel was born by an act of the United Nations on 5/14/1948, a nation born in a day. The U. N. even gave it the name “Israel”. War came immediately to them but they won it by miracle after miracle. Years later, Israel took Jerusalem on June 7, 1967 in the 6 day war. They then captured the Golan Heights on October 11, 1973 to secure the northern border against Syria and Lebanon. Since then, peace deals by the dozens have come and gone, and now Israel is faced with possibly a forced deal after virtual abandonment by its only ally, the United States via President Barack Obama. This leaves them with only one protector….ALMIGHTY GOD!. And in a scant 121 days from now, they will be faced with fleeing from the awful abomination that makes desolate.

There we have the double witness. And if we wish to see other witnesses, read Ron Reese’s work and he will present you with several more witnesses.

This means that taking 12/23/2015 less the days of the second half of the 70th week which, as you know are 1,260, gives us 4/11/12/2012 as the center point of the 70th week, the time when the man of sin must reveal himself in the temple, by delaring himself to god or godlike. This is called the “abomination that makes desolate”. It is at this time that the Jews are told to flee. Mathman, I know that you realize that there are only 121 days left from today 12/12/2011, because I read your rebuttal post to Amy. I don’t know why these watchers cannot see the truth so evidently set before them, They wrestle the scriptures to death, with their own interpretations and pre-set ideas of what they may mean. God help us not to do that.

8/31/1897……43,125 days……9/23/2015…..75 days….12/7/2015

Count back 1,335 days from 12/7/2015 to find the center of the 70th week.

Dec 7/8, 2015……………minus 1,335 days………………Apr 11/12, 2012

This is the day the antichrist reveals himself to be God.

Count back 121 days from 4/12/2012 and YOU ARE HERE TODAY!

ONLY 121 DAYS AND SOMEWHERE IN THEM IS THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. I believe as of today, that it is in the Feast of Hanukkah. I have posted about that on Five Doves. Please read it and comment if you wish.

Joshua said it best when he declared that “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”. Look up and lift up your head, for our redemption draws nigh!

Maranatha

YBIC
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Mathman (12 Dec 2011)
"Amy, we didn't "choose" 2015, 2015 chose us"


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Hi Amy,

Thanks for your excellent post outlining why it is your opinion that 2015 is not a viable year for the return of Jesus Christ. While I really want to agree with what you have written, it would violate a primary mathematical fact. That mathematical fact being that, by all mathematical and statistical odds, it appears with almost 100% certainty (nothing can be 100% unless God Himself wrote it specifically) that we didn't "choose" 2015, but 2015 chose us. Allow me to illustrate:

- June 7, 1967 = 6-7-67 (the perfect blend of 6's & 7's) represents God's perfect help (7's) for the Jews (6's) to defeat the Satanic horde that tried to wipe them out in the Six-Day War. Indeed, this is the very day that God delivered Jerusalem into His people's hands.

- June 7, 1967 + 49 years x 360 day years = EXACTLY Day of Atonement 2015

- June 8, 1967 + 7 weeks x 2520 days = EXACTLY Day of Atonement 2015 (as you know, Jewish days start the evening before)

- Aug 29, 1897 = The First Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland from August 29 to August 31, 1897, declaring Israel as the future home of the Jews

- Aug 29, 1897 + 120 years x 360 years = EXACTLY December 7, 2015 = EXACTLY Hanukkah 2015 (my other posts have explained in detail why this makes Scriptural sense), the logical day for the anointing of Jesus, the last of six steps outlined in Daniel 9

- Hanukkah 2015 on December 7, 2015 - 1335 days of Daniel 12 + 1260 days of the Great Tribulation starting April 11, 2012 = EXACTLY Day of Atonement, September 23, 2015

Amy, the chances of these things lining up so perfectly is well over a billion to 1!! Does this REALLY seem like mere random chance to you? If so, please outline an alternative date in 2018 or beyond for Christ's return (allowing for a seven year Tribulation Period so many are stuck on) that makes even 1 billionth as much sense as this.

That being said, you did make an excellent outline of why you PERSONALLY do not believe the 2008 to 2015 timeline makes sense to you. However, once I reviewed these in detail, IMO none of your "proofs" were "deal breakers", just your interpretations and perceptions that they were so. As such, perhaps instead you should take a look at what you wrote to determine how it COULD fit into the above timeline. I am convinced that you will find that each of your points can and do easily fit in.

As such, if you can't find something SOLID to discount what we are writing (IMO, your statement that it "sounds like a peace treaty to me" is just not conclusive), you may possibly be of better service to the Lord to instead see why it could fit in. Again, I am not being condescending - this is just my personal opinion (which we are BOTH allowed to express).

You also indicated that we are using "supernatural" confirmations. I COMPLETELY agree with you on this one. Indeed, if you classify perfectly aligned Israel related dates to the Day of Atonement 2015 being "supernatural" (as in God controlled), I COMPLETELY agree with you.

You also indicated that we are using "private interpretation and spiritualizing" instead of using solid Biblical doctrine. Amy, NOTHING can be further from the truth. I feel that this is both a serious and baseless accusation. Indeed, it was this accusation that spurred me to write this rebuttal. Amy, honestly, all you need is a history book and a calendar and the events line up ALL on their own. Indeed, my 13 year old son was able to do this without any assistance from me.

To reiterate, there is no manipulation, no spiritualizing, no private interpretation involved. I would never violate the Lord's trust in me by doing anything but solid Bible based proofs. In other words, these are just cold, hard mathematical facts, plain and simple. IMO, you don't even have to be mathematically proficient to know that these things all line up on their own without "private interpretation and spiritualizing!!

The bottom line is, we (as in Ron Reese, BG Ellis, Gerry Almond and and a growing number of others including me) didn't choose or force 2015 to be an incredibly strong candidate for being the year of Christ's return. Instead, it appears mathematically certain 2015 chose us. Here is an analogy to help illustrate:

In my business, I deal with billions and billions of dollars of assets. We often have to do mega-projects. Planning for these projects are extremely complicated. However, it always involves the exact same process. What is the finished product for success and when do we need or want it completed by? Once defined, we work backwards and fill in the dates that we want something done by, each being sign posts pointing towards the finished product. This process continues until we get back to the beginning. In other words, once the planning is complete, we then know the beginning from the end. Does this sound familiar?

Now something even more obvious. Compared to God's intelligence, I am a complete and utter moron. Indeed, God invented organization. Since He created all, would He not therefore follow the same process He invented to ensure our reconciliation is following a proper and logical timeline? In other words, should we not EXPECT that God would ALSO have sign posts pointing towards the finished product (mans reconciliation with God)? INDEED, it certainly appears with close to 100% certainty that He has (again, nothing that is not SPECIFICALLY put in the Bible can be classified as 100% - I would never put words in God's mouth).

Again, to reiterate, the chances of these dates pointing towards the Day of Atonement 2015 being simply random is ASTRONOMICAL. So why fight it?

Again, in no way am I being condescending towards you, Amy!! I also fought "the math" for many months. Finally, I was woken up for so many mornings in a row at around 5 am and told to rethink the 7 year Post Rapture period being a "fact" that I simply stopped wrestling with Him. I know from the Bible if I kept up my fight, something would soon be dislocated.

Instead, I finally obeyed and it turns out that nothing we have said so far with this alternative timeline contradicts Scripture (God forbid). Therefore, this "theory" is not a flight of fancy or simply a desire on our part to come up with something unique. Indeed, to borrow another writer's excellent analogy with Dragnet - "Just the facts, madam, just the facts".

God bless you, Amy. I LOVE your writings and teachings. However, mathematical and statistical logic dictate that I am simply going to have to agree to disagree with you on 2015.

YbiC, MathMan

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Steven

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PART I


Mathman (14 Dec 2011)
"Probability of the Rapture occurring before April 11, 2012 is 6,899,999,999 out of 6.9 Billion!!"


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Dear Doves,

I was awakened on Monday morning at 5 a.m. and assigned a task by the Holy Spirit that could only be classified as bizarre!! The task? Cast the Anti-Christ as Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, the famous German Field Marshall, trying to use mathematical analysis from stolen secret documents (the Bible) to determine the Grand General’s (Jesus Christ’s) next move. In line with this task, the below article will establish, in what I hope is an amusing manner, using WWII battlefield imagery, the precise statistical odds that so many signs pointing towards the Day of Atonement 2015 as the day of Christ’s return could be anything but God-directed. It will also be “unique” in that I am going to attempt to draft this article from the Anti-Christ / Satan’s perspective. The article will assume that the Anti-Christ / Satan have access to the exact same information that we, the Church, have (Bible, historical records, etc.). By the way, if you happen to have any non-believers you have been trying to reach, I am positive that this article would be a good one to forward (however, as per usual, please use your discretion and discernment).

IMPORTANT: Please note that I am a firm and unwavering believer in the Pre-Trib Rapture. However, I no longer believe that the Post-Rapture Tribulation Period will be seven years. Indeed, it is mathematically certain that the Post-Rapture Tribulation Period will actually be less than four years (including the 42 month Great Tribulation). However, I must clarify without a doubt that I do not believe the Church will see God’s wrath nor be persecuted by the Anti-Christ. In contrast, both Pre-Wrath & Mid-Trib (which I have been accused of on occasion) believe the Church will have to endure these things to a certain extent. I absolutely do not believe we will have to endure these things AT ALL. Indeed, I firmly believe in the Great Hope, promised by Jesus, that we, who truly believe and are counted worthy, will escape ALL THESE THINGS. The Lord said it, I believe Him and so should you!!


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Field Marshall Erwin Rommel looked over the desert battlefield with a grimace on his face. Northern Africa had been his to rule for most of the war and he very rarely tasted defeat. Indeed, Rommel’s military brilliance, combined with his ability to anticipate what his enemy would do and when, earned Rommel the much deserved nickname of the “Desert Fox”. Cunning, swift and brutal, he was respected and feared on all sides of the battlefield, and for good reason.

However, the grimace now on Rommel’s face was there for a reason. The writing was now on the wall that the tide of the war was already turning against him. His side was getting weaker by the day. Supplies were no longer arriving as expected but instead trickled in. Their airpower was on the very verge of collapse (soon all planes would be “cast from the sky” . Not only that, but the Enemy was becoming more and more bold. To make matters worse, it was recently discovered that the Grand General Himself would soon be making His appearance to supervise Rommel’s final defeat.

While even Rommel knew that defeat was almost certain, he still clung to the desperate hope he could still win. After all, what choice did he have? The alternative was just too horrible to comprehend. Rommel knew he had to strategize on how to maximize his chances for survival while bringing about maximum destruction to the Grand General and His Troops. At a minimum, Rommel needed to know when and where the Grand General would strike so that he could mount the best counter-assault possible. To make matters worse, Rommel knew his time was short. Rommel knew he NEEDED a lucky break in order to have any chance of defeating the Grand General.

Suddenly, the field radio and command post buzzed with activity and excitement. Rommel was quickly informed that Nazi spies had captured stolen Secret Documents from the Allies, outlining the Grand General’s exact plans for the entire war. It was confirmed by his top men to be legitimate, as every single plan outlined in these Secret Documents, WRITTEN BEFORE THE WAR EVEN BEGAN, had played out EXACTLY AND PRECISELY as written. Rommel let out a heavy sigh, wiped the desert sweat and grime from his forehead, and resigned himself to work tirelessly to the end. First he put his very best men on the case and told them to inform him of any information they could glean from the Secret Documents. It wouldn’t take long for the reports to start pouring in.


INTERCEPT #1:

Matthew 24: 32-34: “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Rommel was delighted beyond belief. This seemed to supply the precise code for a timeline for his defeat as planned by his Enemy. His advisors quickly began shouting at Rommel with their guesses and speculation for what these, and many other, verses meant. Rommel instantly became furious with them and gave them extremely clear instructions on how to proceed. Only information from the Secret Documents themselves, compared and combined with actual events in the field using precise mathematical rigor, could be used in the interpretation of the Secret Documents. His advisors shook their heads in agreement with this new understanding, even though they knew that this meant a LOT of extra work. They had followed Rommel loyally up until now; they certainly weren’t going to stop following him now.


Rommel: Let’s read these verses carefully and slowly. First question. What, exactly, is meant by the “fig tree”?


Advisor: That’s easy. Every time the Secret Documents talk about the “fig tree”, they are always referring to the Enemy’s elite force.

Rommel: Hmmm, of course, the Israel unit. An extremely resilient bunch! Their eradication was the real reason Hitler started this war. From these verses, it is apparent that the formation of the Israel unit is the starting point for the Enemy’s countdown. When was the very first formation of this Israeli unit?

Advisor: We anticipated this question. The First Zionist Congress met from August 29th to August 31st in the year 1897, establishing the precise location for the future HQ for this elite force.


Rommel: Excellent, we have the starting point. Now then, reading a bit further, it says that this timeline will end when “all these things be fulfilled”. What “things” need to be fulfilled?

Advisor: Following your instructions, we scoured the Secret Documents and found the following six goals of our Enemy:


Daniel 9: 24: “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

Rommel: Please repeat the very last of the six steps.

Advisor: “To anoint the most Holy.”

Rommel: Who exactly is “the most Holy”? It better not be who I think it is!!


Advisor: I am sorry to report that, unfortunately, the most Holy can be no one other than the Grand General Himself.

Rommel: I SIMPLY CAN’T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. I want to be the Grand General. I want to be the head. Now then, is it not true that the Grand General is Himself from the Israel elite force?


Advisor: This is true. However, the Israel elite force at first rejected Him but now He is their leader. Despite their disloyalty, the Grand General has remained loyal to them. Indeed, He has even been known to follow many of their customs and traditions. Some of these customs and traditions are outlined in the Secret Documents, but we also have intimate records of the customs and traditions that the Israel elite force has added or altered over the years.


Rommel: All right then, according to these customs and traditions, exactly when is the Grand General to be anointed?

Advisor: This will take a couple of minutes to explain. According to customs and traditions established when the Grand General was initially kicked out of the elite force at the beginning of His career, the first four Jewish feasts, as odd as this sounds, were directly used for the timing of His demise and exile (Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of First Fruits, Pentecost). As such, it has been highly anticipated by the complimentary fighting force, known as the “White Force”, that the last four Jewish feasts will be used for the timing of your demise and the subsequent establishment of the Grand General’s empire. Specifically, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Feast of Tabernacles and, finally, Hanukkah.

Rommel: Okay, now we are getting somewhere. The last step to be fulfilled is the anointing. It would make sense then that the last of the four Jewish feasts would be used as the timing for this last step. Is there anything to back up my gut feeling on this?

Advisor: Yes there is. The last feast is Hanukkah and will represent the anointing festival celebrating the Grand General. However, your defeat prior to this date is actually scheduled for the Day of Atonement, wherein the Grand General Himself will first arrive for this battle with His Army on the Feast of Trumpets just 10 days prior to your planned defeat (Operation Code Name: Days of Awe). In multiple locations in the Secret Documents, the Grand General has outlined that They “will allow” you to remain as our leader for precisely 1260 days leading up to your anticipated defeat on the Day of Atonement. When you subtract 1260 days from the Day of Atonement and add in 1335 days, you land exactly on Hanukkah. This is the way these feasts were designed and establishes once again the importance of Hanukkah in the fulfillment of the final step.

Rommel: Alright then. The 1260 days I have heard of over and over again. However, where in the Secret Documents is 1335 days outlined?

Advisor: Following your instructions, we scoured the Secret Documents and found the following:


Daniel 12: 12: “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”

Rommel: Yes, this indeed would be a blessing to those who love the Grand General and survive to see His anointing. But it won’t happen because we won’t allow it to happen. Defeat is an alternative just too horrifying for me to comprehend. So then, let’s back track and reiterate what we have. The last step to be fulfilled is equal to the anointing of the Grand General on Hanukkah. The first step in this process was the establishment of Israel as the elite force’s future home on August 29, 1897 by the First Zionist Congress. If this is a correct assessment, I would expect to see this establishment date somehow related to a future Hanukkah in a logical fashion. What do you have on this?

Advisor: We believe that we have the maximum length of time for “a generation” as specifically referenced in the verses above as defined in the Secret Documents:

Genesis 6: 3: “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”

Rommel: Hmmm, a limit of 120 years. That “just happens” to match the actual maximum life of a man or woman as illustrated in actuarial tables on life spans. The Grand General has obviously been planning my demise for a long time. This really underscores just how worthy an adversary the Grand General is. Indeed, I will enjoy defeating Him, for then I will be elevated before men instead of Him. Now then, when you add 120 years to August 29, 1897, it better land on Hanukkah or else it simply won’t mean anything.

Advisor: Indeed, this is precisely what happens. August 29, 1897 plus 120 years, using the Grand General’s prophetic years of 360 days each, lands precisely on December 7, 2015. December 7, 2015 is directly within the eight days of Hanukkah 2015.

Rommel: All right then, it looks like we have established an end point. What are the odds that this end point is not simply a random occurrence?

Advisor: Hanukkah is celebrated for precisely 8 days. On the other hand, there are 365 days in a given year other than leap years. Therefore the odds of this simply being random versus planned by the Grand General is:

ODDS FROM INTERCEPT #1: 8 out of 365 (2%)

Rommel: I didn’t get to be the leader of this army by being lazy. Being “only” 98% sure of this being planned by the Grand General is not good enough for me. I need more precision. What else do you have to establish 2015 as being the Grand General’s planned year for my demise?

Advisor: Plenty. But we better hurry on this. If our interpretations of the Grand General’s Secret Documents are correct, you don’t have much time

INTERCEPT #2:

Rommel: Alright, I am reasonably convinced that 2015 is the Enemy’s planned year for my demise. However, I am now more interested on the actual day the Grand General is anticipating for my ultimate demise.

Advisor: You are referring to the possibility of the Day of Atonement 2015 being the precise date for your demise. According to Jewish calendars, the Day of Atonement of 2015 lands on September 23rd of 2015. According to the Secret Documents, this would represent a Jubilee turnover event as it relates to the capital of the home of the Israel elite force. In turn, this would mean that Jerusalem, and indeed all of Israel, would be returned to its supposed rightful Owner, the Grand General on that date. However, it goes without saying that our primary goal is to make sure Jerusalem belongs to you instead.

Rommel: Excellent, now we are getting somewhere. Do the Secret Documents indicate how long this so-called Jubilee is?

Advisor: Yes, the precise length of a Jubilee is established in the Secret Documents as follows:

Leviticus 25: 8-10: “And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.”

Rommel: This is incredibly precise. The Grand General would not be pleased to know that we have such precise documentation of His exact plans. So then, is there any event that occurred exactly one Jubilee prior to the Day of Atonement 2015, September 23, 2015, that would further establish this as being the plans of the Grand General?

Advisor: You will find this absolutely compelling. Seven times seven years is equal to 49 years, or one complete Jubilee cycle. 49 years multiplied by a 360 day prophetic year as used by the Grand General, when subtracted from September 23, 2015, falls directly on June 7, 1967 to the day. June 7, 1967 is the EXACT day that the Israel elite force reclaimed Jerusalem. In the Jewish calendar, a day begins the evening before. Therefore, there are only two days that this beginning could have occurred and this is one of them. Assuming the event occurred (Jerusalem being recaptured by the Jews), which we know it did, we have to calculate the number of days it could have occurred. This is easy. All we have to determine is the number of days from August 29, 1897 to September 23, 2015 to determine the number of days that Jerusalem could have been reclaimed by the Israel elite force. This amounts to 43,125 days in total. As such, this amounts to the astronomical odds of this simply being random of:

ODDS FROM INTERCEPT #2: 2 out of 43,125 (0.005%)

Rommel: Alright, combined with Intercept #1, this is pretty well indisputable.

Advisor: It gets better. We have discovered another intercept

INTERCEPT #3:

Rommel: Okay, impress me.

Advisor: There has been much speculation over the following verses:

Daniel 9: 25: “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times”

More specifically, there is controversy over the split between the 7 and the 62, which in turn adds to 69 weeks. In the first arrival, the Grand General made His triumphant return to Jerusalem precisely 69 weeks of 2520 days in each week from the first decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Some have speculated that the first part, the seven weeks, represents a completely separate prophecy related to his second arrival for His triumphant return to Jerusalem.

Rommel: 7 weeks of 2520 days per week is 17,640 days before the Day of Atonement, September 23, 2015. Given that Jewish days begin the evening before, such decree would have had to happen on June 7, 1967 or the day after, for it to be another signpost pointing towards the Day of Atonement 2015.

Advisor: That is exactly what happened. In the first arrival of the Grand General, all it took was a leader with the appropriate authority to declare that Jerusalem be rebuilt. In a similar manner, the PM of Israel made the same kind of decree the very next day after the retaking of Jerusalem - June 8th of 1967 to be precise!! But it wasn’t all of Jerusalem that had to be rebuilt, just the Jewish Quarter, also known as Old Jerusalem. Ironically, this is the exact same portion ordered to be rebuilt that was used to prophesize the first time Jesus returned. In fact, Old Jerusalem was so completely and utterly destroyed in 1948 in the Arab Israel War that a Jordan leader gloated that no Jew would ever return to the Jewish Quarter.

Rommel: Calculating the odds of this being random seems a bit tricky. However, I’ll give it a shot. When Old Jerusalem was retaken, the people of the Israel elite force would be understandably excited. I would anticipate that such an announcement to rebuild would be made within the first 120 days (4 months) or so after Jerusalem was retaken while they were still in joyous celebration. This certainly doesn’t seem unreasonable. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assign the following odds for this to occur on the same day or the next day (2 days):

ODDS FROM INTERCEPT #3: 2 out of 120 (1.7%)

Anything else to look at?

Advisor: There are many, MANY other specific Israel-related historical events that specifically point to the general timeframe of 2015 to 2018, but that is not the purpose of this exercise. When you have time, perhaps tonight in your study, you can review further mathematical proof at

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman123-2.htm
or review even more fascinating details on these dates at

http://www.thefinal7yearsareherenow.com). However, let’s not get side tracked. You specifically asked for precision on the year 2015. With this task in mind, I am pleased to announce that we just found a fourth intercept. It actually relates to the first intercept.

Rommel: Please proceed.

INTERCEPT #4:

Advisor: While we used 120 years from the First Zionist Congress to first establish 2015, there is a commonly held belief that the actual formation of Israel was the event that started off the time limit. The commonly held timeframe for this is outlined as follows:

Psalm 90:10: “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”

Isaiah 23:15: “And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.”

Given the historic precedents of the use of 70 year periods by the Grand General when dealing with Israel, along with confirmation of a lifetime being 70 years in the above two passage, it seemed logical to continue its use. Taking this 70 years and multiplying it by the 360-day year, as per the Grand General, results in 25,200 days, or around 69 years.

Rommel: Very interesting. The U.N. just published a table, outlining that the current world wide average life span is around 69 years. This can’t be a coincidence. So then, when was Israel actually formed as a nation?

Advisor: Israel became recognized as a nation by UN Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947 despite massive outrage from Muslim communities around the world and their Arab neighbors. This means that there is another possible limit of all being fulfilled being 25,200 days from November 29, 1947, equal to November 26, 2016. However, Hanukkah 2016 doesn’t start until December 24, 2016. This means the last Hanukkah before this is Hanukkah 2015, which was already established in Intercept #1!! Rommel, the odds of this limit making so much sense and being such a perfect fit is only 1 year out of the 118 years from 1897 to 2015, resulting in

ODDS FROM INTERCEPT #4: 1 out of 118 (0.8%)

Rommel: Okay then, we now have four intercepts pointing towards the Grand General having my demise planned for September 23, 2015, the Day of Atonement. Could you please combine these odds to see what comes out?

Advisor: It would be my pleasure. Let’s take it from the top:

Intercept #1: 8 out of 365

Intercept #2: 2 out of 43,125

Intercept #3: 2 out of 120

Intercept #4: 1 out of 118

Combined, this works out to (8 x 2 x 2 x 1) out of (365 x 43,125 x 120 x 118) or 32 out of 221,666,000,000 or 1 out of 6,927,100,000, rounded down to 1 out of 6.9 billion!

Rommel: So let me get this straight. The odds of September 23, 2015 RANDOMLY pointing to the date planned for my demise is only 1 out of 6.9 billion?

Advisor: Correct. That means that the chances of September 23, 2015, the Day of Atonement 2015, being the precise day planned by the Grand General for your demise are an overwhelming 6,899,999,999 out of 6.9 billion.

Rommel: This is disconcerting to say the least. I will need to gather all of the armies of the world together to face the Grand General if I am to have even the slimmest of chances of victory. We need to move towards that goal and I mean now.

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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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