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Jean Stepnoski (8 Aug 2011)
"Fast Day Begins 21 Days of Daniel: For Gerry Almond"


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Dear Gerry and Doves,

Might there will be a special 21 days before The Blessed Hope? In the 21 days of Daniel, according to Daniel 10, the text may give us an invaluable clues. Verse 2 mentions that Daniel says he was "mourning" three weeks of days. The only Scriptural period for three weeks (21 days) of mourning would be from Tammuz 17 to Av 9! It is customary to avoid meats or wine for members of the House of Israel during those 21 days! These are things which Daniel also avoids, according to verse 3. The 21 days begin with Daniel fasting so day 1 begins with a fast day!

But we have a complication since month 1 day 24 are mentioned in verse 4. Is there a gap of time after the 21 days end and Daniel has his vision of the son of man? Which calendar is being used? A pagan and Babylonian one? The name Tammuz dates to the time of the exile to Babylon. Might month 1 and day 24 mean Tishri 24 of the new Civil Year beginning 21 days at Tishri 3?

According to the prophet Zechariah, there are 4 significant fasts annually for the House of Israel, the 12 tribes, the seed of Isaac. From Tammuz 17 to Av 9 are 21 days which begin with a fast day. Av 9 is a fast day and extends this year to 8-8 to 9, which is the last day of 21 days away from the fast day of Tammuz 17. Av 9 is the only period of 21 days from fast day to fast day of the 4 fasts mentioned by Zechariah! The Last Day of these 21 will be Av 9 which will be day 3 going to day 4 of the Scriptural Week. It is the Last Day and the Third Day. If we count 21 days after Av 9 we are at 8-27 to 28, which is 3 days away from the starting of the month Elul, the month of Teshuvah, before the new Civil Year begins at Tishri 1.

The fast of Yom Kippur is from Tishri 9 to 10, 10-7 to 8. A count of 21 days after that will be 10-27 to 28. The new Civil Year, for the counting of years begins as of Tishri 1, not Tishri 10. It is a Yom Kippur, Tishri 10, when the next Year of Jubilee would be declared. These are the timelines for the available periods of 21 days somehow linked to 3 of the 4 fast days celebrated in 2011. The fast of Tevet of month 10, day 10 will not take place until early in 2012.

We can add 21 days to Tammuz 17, or Av 9, or Yom Kippur fast days. However, the only period set aside for "three weeks of days" as Daniel phrased it (21 days), by members of the House of Israel for mourning, avoiding meats, or wine would be from Tammuz 17 to Av 9! Will 8-8 to 9, Av 9, be momentous in 2011? We shall see. Come quickly, Lord...

With Love and Shalom,
Jean


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
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Kevin Heckle (9 Aug 2011)
"RE: Jean Stepnoski - 21 days of Daniel in Nisan, the First Month"

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Dear Jean,

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/jeans88.htm



Your analysis of the 21 days of Daniel’s fast led you to the conclusion that somehow, the ‘FIRST’ month is anything but the month of Nisan. While I often enjoy your posts, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on this.



The Babylonian and the Hebrew calendar were the same at the time. Biblically, the only two options for Daniels’s FIRST MONTH are the first month of the ecclesiastical year (Nisan) or the first month of the civil year (Tishri). Both month beginnings are marked by some sort of feasts, Nisan by Passover and Unleavened Bread, and Tishri by Tabernacles. The text clearly says Daniel ate no ‘pleasant’ bread (leavened), flesh or wine, nor did he anoint himself. ‘No pleasant bread’ would point to the feast of Unleavened Bread, however Passover demands the consumption of the sacrificial lamb in accordance with the celebration of escaping the captivity of the Egyptians. Daniel ate no ‘flesh’, so that would seem to negate Nisan as the 1st month. Tishri of course is the Jewish New Year, a time of feasting and celebration. So both Nisan and Tishri seem problematic. If it were Tammuz-Av however as you surmise, the date could only be in the 4th-5th month (from Nisan) or the 10th-11th month (from Tishri) and is an impossibility as the interpretation of the text



To understand Daniel’s fast ‘in the FIRST MONTH’, which could Biblically and historically ONLY be in Nisan or Tishri, you have to understand that the children of Israel were IN CAPTIVITY in Babylon. They could not sacrifice the Passover lamb, the Temple had been DESTROYED by the Babylonian King, thus the three weeks of mourning and fasting each year of their exile. The Jews were ONLY allowed to sacrifice the Passover lamb at the place where God chose (Deut. 16:1-6), which was the Temple in Jerusalem. No Temple = no sacrifice = mourning and fasting by Daniel in the 1st month, Nisan.



In the Book of Ezra 3:1-4, we can see what eventually happens to the children of the captivity as they begin to rebuild:



Ezra 3:1 KJV - And when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel [were] in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem.. .



Ezra 3:4 KJV - They kept also the Feast of Tabernacles, as [it is] written, and [offered] the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;



Ezra 3 clearly places the seventh month with the Feast of Tabernacles and the Babylonian exiles.



We then see the restoration of the exiles to the Passover feasts in Ezra 6:19-22. Notice Passover is on the 14th day of the FIRST MONTH.



Ezr 6:19 KJV - And the children of the captivity kept the Passover upon the fourteenth [day] of the FIRST MONTH.

Ezr 6:20 KJV - For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them [were] pure, and killed the Passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.

Ezr 6:21 KJV - And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Ezr 6:22 KJV - And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the LORD had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel.



Biblically then, it can only be concluded that at the time of Daniel, Tishri is the 7th month (Tabernacles), leaving Nisan as the only possibility as the 1st month (Passover). Scripture interprets Scripture.



The timing of the sun, moon and stars confirms it also. The date Daniel speaks of specifically is Nisan 24, 3225 or Julian Day 1525759.5 or April 15, 535 BC (Gregorian). While the Hebrew Metonic calendar did not come into existence until later, retrospectively it is accurate in 3225. Nisan 1 should occur on the new moon following the sun passing the spring equinox. Within hours of the sun passing the spring equinox that year, the new moon eclipsed the sun. Nisan 1, 3225 then would be on Julian Day 1525736.5 or March 23, 535 BC (Gregorian). The 21 day fast then would have began the 4th of Nisan through the 24th of Nisan (inclusive of the first and last day).



Incidentally, 2625 lunar years (1290 + 1335) from that date in Daniel’s vision until February 14, 2012. It is also 1000 x 9 months (human gestation) x 3.5 (times, times and a half) to the same date (birth pangs).



A Friend in Christ,

Kevin Heckle


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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