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JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Before GOD rejected ISRAEL...ISRAEL had to SEE [JESUS] HIS WORKS [FORTY YEARS] and know FOR SURE that JESUS WAS LIKE unto MOSES the PROPHET who was having a CODE number 'FORTY'...

No one would be willing to argue or die to CONFIRM JESUS is like unto MOSES if JESUS died 33.5years old, right?

SUMMARY OF JESUS FORTY YEARS WORKS

When JESUS was about 30year old, HE was baptised by John BAPTIST. see Luke3:23.

JESUS was led IMMEDIATELY into WILDerness for FORTY DAYS...like unto MOSES in wilderness FORTY YEARS. see Mark1:12

Then devil left JESUS and JESUS 'worked 7 years' for HIS Bride ISRAEL[RACHEL].

Jesus was 37yr old when He could call out HIS Bride...just like HIS 37yr captivity as prisoner by evil king of babylon...

see 2Kings:25:27 whereby King Jehoiachin was lifted up out of prison
in the 37th yr Captivity:
"And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year
of the captivity of Jehoiachin
king of Judah,
in the twelfth month,
on the seven and twentieth day of the month,
that Evil-merodach king of Babylon
in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah
out of prison;"


pls see Gospel of John Chapter1...

BEAR in mind that JOHN Baptist was still Baptising many for '7years' because JOHN Baptist was still around before John(B) saw JESUS again the 'next day' after Pharisees asked John(B) and John(B) denied that John(B) was the Prophet 'like MOSES'

v35-37: Again the 'next day'
John(Disciple) heard John(B) saw JESUS and said 'Behold the Lamb of GOD'.

v40: This was the 1st Chronological Timeline after JESUS was 37yr old that John Disciple and Andrew followed JESUS.

v41-42: Andrew found Simon(whom JESUS named as Cephas=Peter) and they were with JESUS for the 1st or Beginning of Miracles. see John2:11

Gospel of JOHN WAS EARLIER ACCOUNT of Matthew/Mark/Luke in that many EVENTs was mentioned before JOHN(B) was cast into prison.

John3:24 "For John[baptist] was not yet cast into prison"

The Matthew's account is much later than John(Disciple) because Matthew(Levi) started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

see Matthew:4:11: "Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."
v12:"Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;"


The Mark's account is also much later than John(Disciple) because Mark also started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

Mark:1:12: "And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
v13: And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
v14: Now after that John[baptist] was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"


The Luke's account is also much later than John(Disciple) although Luke mentioned Jesus's baptism after Luke informed of Herod's evil to shut up John(B) in prison...
It is simply reasonable that Herod only imprisoned John(B) after Jesus' baptism and there is no need to mention how long the baptism and imprisonment duration was.

Luke:3:19: "But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,
v20: Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.
v21: Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,"



This Gospel of John(Disciple) proved to be earlier than the Gospel accounts of Matthew/Mark&Luke.

So there could be 7years 'missing ministry' in Matthew/Mark&Luke's accounts...which have the same word 'NOW'.

NOW When John was cast into prison.
NOW After that John was put in prison.
NOW when ALL PEOPLE[during the 7year missing period] were baptised by John(B) before being shut up by Herod.

So we could SEE a MISSING 7 YEAR WORK of JESUS's LONEly MINISTRY before HE was released to call HIS BRIDE ISRAEL.

Did Jesus worked in the wilderness or Northern Israel or Gallilee? It was not revealed yet.

But we can be sure that John(Disciple) who recorded 3 or 4 years of Ministry of JESUS Christ with HIS Disciples could make JESUS dying at age 37+3.5=40yr old.

SO this further proved that JESUS LIVED 'Worked 40 years' and ISRAEL rejected HIM as the PROPHET like unto MOSES.

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MOSES CODE is 40years and GOD DEMANDED ISRAEL to HEARKEN unto the PROPHET LIKE MOSES.

Moses said...
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet [JESUS CHRIST]
from the midst of thee ,
of thy brethren,
LIKE UNTO ME [MOSES];
unto HIM [JESUS] ye shall HEARken;"
Deuteronomy 18:15

"And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not HEARken unto MY words
which HE [JESUS] shall speak in MY name,
I will require it of him."
Deuteronomy 18:19


As confirmed by Stephen before his death in Act7:35-37


"This Moses whom they refused,
saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge?
the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him [Moses] in the bush.
He brought them out,
after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt,
and in the Red Sea,
and in the wilderness
FORTY YEARS.
This is that Moses,
which said unto the children of Israel,
A Prophet shall the LORD your God
raise up unto you of your brethren,
like unto me [Moses]:
Him [JESUS] shall ye HEAR."
Act7:35-37


HEBREWS3 : Apostle Paul Defending JESUS' FORTY YEARS WORKS


Apostle Paul confirmed JESUS BETTER THAN MOSES
v1: "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

v2: Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

v3: For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

v4: For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

v5: And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

v6: But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

THE BRACKET PARAGRAPH...if you hEAR HIS(JESUS) voice
v7-v11: "Wherefore
(
as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works FORTY YEARS.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest."
)

UNBELIEF OF (JESUS)HIS WORKS(40years)
v12: Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

v13: But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

v14: For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

v15: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

v16: For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

JESUS was grieved FORTY YEARS?
v17: But with whom was he grieved FORTY YEARS? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

v18: And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

v19: So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

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WE HAVE 3 WITNESSES "MOSES, APOSTLE PAUL and DEACON STEPHEN"
who CONFIRMED JESUS AS THE PROPHET like MOSES
and all 3 of them MADE the REFERENCE to FORTY YEARS and demanded ISRAEL to HEARken HIS VOICE.

IF JESUS was only 33.5yrs old when HE FINISHED HIS WORKs...
WOULD YOU be WILLING to ARGUE that JESUS is the PROPHET LIKE MOSES who worked FORTY YEARS ?

And WOULD YOU be WILLING to EVEN DIE by being STONED by your BRETHREN?


So is it COMMON SENSE that ALL 3 WITNESSES had CONFIRMED JESUS' 40yrs WORKS and so FULFILLs THE Requirement of the PROPHET like unto MOSES?


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Therefore GOD is NOT UNreasonable
to SWITCH HIS PLAN of Salvation to the GENTILES for 2000yrs
because ISRAEL rejected JESUS as MOSES the '40yr' PROPHET, right?


For more proofs, pls see website:-

Moses code
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

The year Jesus died
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

The year Jesus born
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730275

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

The Year JESUS Died
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287

also see earlier post...
For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

Jacob(JESUS) worked 7years for Rachel(ISRAEL) and Laban(satan) gave Him Leah(Church)
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=872261&cmd=show

Did you hEAR what my hEARt hEARd?

isn't this a SOUND doctrine that JESUS needed to WORK 7 yEARs beFORe HE could choose HIS Disciples from ISrael-CHURCH to pREACH the acceptABLE yEAR of the JUBILE?

This 7years passed like 7days to JESUS and HE returned to call HIS disciples and so met JOHN the Baptist again whereby John the Baptist told John the Disciple the next day...which is definitely not POSSIBLE if JESUS was immediately spending 40days in the WILDerness, right?

PLS check for yourselves that satan had to leave HIM for a season.

after 7years, JESUS was 37years old and HE called out HIS Bride Leah(CHURCH) and together preached to ISRAEL (Rachel) for 3or4years and was cut off.

So this explains why JESUS has to take the CHURCH and work 3.5years more in order to take ISRAEL(RACHEL) as HIS BRIDE, right?

WOW!

Hidden MINI SToRY of JESUS CHRIST fulfilled the ROLE as JACOB the PROMISED SEED of ABRAHAM!

it could be that 2008AD was the start of this remaining 3years of work for Israel before JESUS could take ISRAEL(Rachel) and bring HER into the wilderness?

Then there will be a time of Jacob's trouble...shortened period of DAYs

Paul explaining JESUS as the PromisedSon/Prophet/Priest to ISRAEL in Book of Hebrews

Hebrews Chapter1 : Jesus as the Son of God

Hebrews Chapter2 : Jesus as the Son of Man

Hebrews Chapter3 : Jesus as the Prophet like unto Moses

Hebrews Chapter4 : Jesus as the Priest & Rest

Hebrews Chapter5 : Jesus as the High Priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews Chapter6 : Jesus as the Promise of God

Hebrews Chapter7 : Jesus as the Perfect Priest & Sacrifice

Hebrews Chapter8 : Jesus as the Perfect New Covenant

Hebrews Chapter9 : Jesus as the Perfect Tabernacle/Blood/Offering

Hebrews Chapter10 : Jesus as the One offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews Chapter11: Justification by Faith in JESUS

Hebrews Chapter12: Jesus the author and finisher of our faith

Hebrews Chapter13: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


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Conclusion

Apostle Paul is explaining and confirming to
Israel the Hebrews that
JESUS is the Author and Finisher of our Faith.
Hebrews12:2

Therefore in Chapter 3...
'MY WORKS' in verse9 refers to JESUS' WORKS

so this confirms Jesus Worked 40 years like unto Moses.

Re: Paul explaining JESUS as the PromisedSon/Prophet/Priest to ISRAEL in Book of Hebrews

Hi Mike,

Are you open to revelation and allowing the Holy Spirit to share another idea?





The life of Jesus on earth lasted 33 1/2 years, but only the last 3 1/2 years of that was dedicated to healing the sick and raising the dead, etc. He was the "Anointed One" during those last 3 1/2 years

http://www.bibletimelines.org/framedlife.html


Keep looking UP!


Maranatha.

Steven

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.gregorgimmel.com/BC-Dating2.pdf

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Hi Mike,

Here is another source.

in the PDF after reading it on the 13th and 14th page are the charts explaining the timeline based on the previous 12 pages of the PDF.

Anyways hope you are able to read it and find some information of value.

God Bless

Maranatha!!!


Steven





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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Steven
For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.gregorgimmel.com/BC-Dating2.pdf

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Hi Mike,

Here is another source.

In the PDF after reading it on the 13th and 14th page are the charts explaining the timeline based on the previous 12 pages of the PDF.

Anyways hope you are able to read it and find some information of value.

God Bless

Maranatha!!!


Steven





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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Steven


Dear Brother Steven,

The quoted timeline has certain non-biblical 'facts' which could not be correct as follows:-

1) the timeline was 4117years till Jesus which if we added 2000years till this year...it had already entered the 7th DAY REST of GOD which I COULD NOT ACCEPT as a fact.
The reason is that we are not yet in the 7th DAY REST because satan is not yet LOCKED 1000years and JESUS has not TAKEN Kingdom YET and we are not yet reigning as Kings, right?

2) The author quoted Daniel's 70weeks till Jesus was 490years+49years+1yr which means that Daniel was given 77weeks + 1 day INSTEAD of the 70weeks which is not biblical, right?
I need not explain...

3) The author stated that 586BC was scientifically proven and we should not take it as a FACT because SCIENTIST could not even Believe the Earth was Created within 6DAYs, so could we believe in Carbon DATing of 586BC?
I need not explain...

4) Have you seen my website showing the 6000years puzzle solved? It was a summary of the most refined or fined-tuned 7000years timeline to the years with tolerances & accuracies factored in.

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730281

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730272

5) the 430years sojourning was started by Israel and not by Abraham.
Pls note that Joseph was sold into Egypt in the 30th year of Jacob's sojourning and so began 400years affliction in Egypt.
Jacob went into sojourning after their father Eber died and Esau wanted to kill Jacob after the days of the mourning is over.
Jacob ran away to Laban and stay 14years there and Joseph was born before Jacob wanted to leave Laban but Laban asked Jacob to stay 6years for wages.
Joseph was born when Jacob was 91yrs old.
Joseph was 17yr old meaning that 30yrs of Sojourning which explains the mystery of 430yrs and 400yrs in these 2 verses...


Ge:15:13,14: "And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed[not Abraham] shall be a stranger in a land[Egypt] that is not theirs, and shall serve them[Egyptians]; and they[Egyptians] shall afflict them[Israelites] four hundred[400] years;And also that nation[Egypt], whom they[Israelites] shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance[EXODUS]."

FULFILLMENT: note the comas in between 'WHO DWELT IN EGYPT'

Exodus:12:40: "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years."

The PHRASE is this:
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel was four hundred and thirty years.
Israel was having children and started 30years of sojourning with Laban.
the Four Hundred YEARS in Egypt was added as sojourning years too.




There are many many details in my timelines and you may download to confirm them pls.


OR YOU MAY VIEW THESE compressed version directly from website:-

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730270

Pls check and you would understand why I believe the timeline is not done of my own accord...

Re: Paul explaining JESUS as the PromisedSon/Prophet/Priest to ISRAEL in Book of Hebrews

Steven
Hi Mike,

Are you open to revelation and allowing the Holy Spirit to share another idea?





The life of Jesus on earth lasted 33 1/2 years, but only the last 3 1/2 years of that was dedicated to healing the sick and raising the dead, etc. He was the "Anointed One" during those last 3 1/2 years

http://www.bibletimelines.org/framedlife.html


Keep looking UP!


Maranatha.

Steven


Dear Steven,

You are the ONE who is NOT open ...
I was opened to that '30yrs old + 3.5yrs' ministry for 20yrs since my conversion...

Last year The LORD Revealed to me this HIDDEN LONELY MINISTRY of CHRIST in HIS WORD.

'30yrs old' + '?time' + '3.5yrs'

Pls check it out my dear brother and you will find joy and truth in knowing and understanding Mystery only revealed in this LAST DAYS...

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Pls check Gospels Matthew4,Mark1&Luke3
note that JESUS was driven immediately into wilderness for 40DAYS
and there is A 'MISSING TIME' when JESUS BEGAN PREACHING AFTER JOHN(Baptist) was cast into PRISON...
then Matthew/Mark&Luke started to mention about JESUS' ministry to start preaching Repentence...
then Jesus asked Peter to Follow HIM & forsake all.


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According to Gospel of Matthew,Mark&Luke

'Baptism of JESUS' + '40DAYS' + 'MISSING TIME' + John(B)in Prison + 'JESUS Preached Repentence' + 'Peter Forsook ALL & Followed JESUS'

AFTER Baptism
immediately FORTY DAYS in WILDERNESS
...
Now When John(Baptist) in PRISON,
then JESUS Preached Repentence...
then JESUS CALLED PETER Again who forsook all and Followed JESUS

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Pls read Gospel John Chapter1 and note that 'JESUS' 40DAYs in wilderness' was not even mentioned and there is this 'MISSING TIME' when JESUS appeared the next day to JOHN(Baptist)...knowing that there must be 'UNKNOWN TIME PERIOD' before JESUS met John(Baptist) again.

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ONE DAY...John(Baptist) confirmed to Jews/Priest&Pharisees that John(B) is not the Prophet/Christ/Elijah.
see John1:19-28

NEXT DAY...John(Baptist) Bare Record that JESUS is the LAMB OF GOD.
see John1:29-34
pls note that John was talking about what he saw earlier that the HolySpirit descended upon JESUS CHRIST when JESUS was baptised by him...and PLS DO NOT ASSUME BAPTISM EVENT taking place.

AGAIN the NEXT DAY...John(Baptist) looking at JESUS Bare Record again that JESUS is the LAMB OF GOD...and this DAY JOHN(Disciple) and ANDREW followed JESUS
see John1:35-39

Before the FOLLOWING DAYAndrew found SIMON(named PETER by JESUS)
see John1:40-43

VERY IMPORTANT point...John was not yet cast into prison when Peter followed Jesus...John3:24

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According to Gospel of John,


'?time' + 'NEXT DAY' + 'NEXT DAY' + '3.5yrs JESUS MINISTRY according to GOSPELofJOHN'

The Account of Jesus' Ministry Started since
THE DAY, John(B) confirmed that he is not the PROPHET,
+ NEXT DAY, John(B) confirmed that JESUS is the LAMB of GOD
+ NEXT DAY, John(B) confirmed that JESUS is the LAMB of GOD...and 2 Disciples followed JESUS and started the CHURCH Ministry of JESUS CHRIST

note: Baptism EVEnt not recorded as a process but a narration of John(B)

note: 40days of JESUS in the Wilderness was not necessary to be mentioned because 7 years has passed.

note: Peter followed his brother Andrew who followed Jesus before John(B) was cast into prison and Peter was not prepared to forsake ALL yet.
John3:24
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Dear Steven,

could you pls anwser my questions below?

1) Do you believe that Jesus need to WORK ALONE like JACOB for 7years before JESUS could CALL HIS Church?

2) Do you believe that John(B) confirmed that JESUS was the LAMB of GOD after A MISSING TIME (of AT LEAST 40DAYS) since John(B) baptised JESUS?

3) Do you believe that JESUS started ministry Before OR After John(B) was cast into Prison?

4) Do you believe there is this missing time from 40DAYS wilderness till John(B) was cast in Prison?

5) If Jesus died at 33.5yrs old, would you DARE argue with JEWS&Priest that JESUS is like MOSES the Prophet?

6) Would you mind DYING by being STONED to confirm if JESUS died 33.5yrs old?

7) Why don't you believe that JESUS died 40yrs old?

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Hi Mike,

I guess I'm not smart enough or the Holy Spirit does not want me to know.

I have prayed and at this point I can't agree with a 40 year old Jesus dying.

Since we are so close to the rapture I guess I will be wrong until the rapture when all things will be revealed on this particular point.

God Bless

Maranatha.

Steven

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Daniel’s Seventy Weeks And The Rebirth Of Israel -
Book Excerpt from “The Language of God in Prophecy”


In this Book Excerpt from “The Language of God in Prophecy” that was published in 2006 and revised and updated in 2011, Messianic Bible Scholar Helena Lehman shows how the Prophet Daniel's “Seventy Weeks Prophecy” can be applied to BOTH the First and Second Advent of Yahshua or Jesus. By applying the prophecy correctly, it can show the year of Yahshua’s First Coming as Emmanuel and the Lamb of God in 3 BC and His death and resurrection in 31 AD. Also, when its 70 weeks are seen as years that are added to the 1948 re-birth of Israel, this same prophecy may show that the Tribulation will begin in 2011 and that Yahshua will return to fight the Battle of Armageddon on behalf of both Houses of Israel in 2017 AD.

Daniel’s Seventy Weeks And The Rebirth Of Israel - Book Excerpt from "The Language of God in Prophecy"


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Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Dear Helena,

Daniel:9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks [62weeks or 434years] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: "

note: It is confirmed that from King Cyrus till the wall being rebuilt by King Artaxerxes in his 20th reign was 7weeks or 49years fulfilled by Nehemiah which is done within 49+3 or 52days.

Nehemiah:2:1: "And it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king, that wine was before him: and I took up the wine, and gave it unto the king. Now I had not been beforetime sad in his presence."

Nehemiah:6:15: "So the wall was finished in the twenty and fifth day of the month Elul, in fifty and two days."



From King Cyrus' decree till King Artaxerxes 20th reign
was 7weeks or 49years
and from King Artaxerxes rebuilding the wall till Christ' cut off
is ONLY 62WEEKS or 434years
and so 457BC till 32AD dates which is 69weeks or 483yrs
and not 62weeks are wrong
and I need not explain further because prophecy was given PARTly to ALL INDIVIDUALLY and DATEs were ALL WRONG...before these last days...

Forgive me this and pls confirm whether you will be like Deacon Stephen or Apostle Paul to argue with Jews&Pharisees that JESUS is LIKE MOSES?

Hope Helena could explain why you think God's REST DAY has started even though satan is still creating havoc?

I could understand it is due to the wrong DATES of Christ's Birth & Resurrection years, right?

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Steven
Hi Mike,

I guess I'm not smart enough or the Holy Spirit does not want me to know.

I have prayed and at this point I can't agree with a 40 year old Jesus dying.

Since we are so close to the rapture I guess I will be wrong until the rapture when all things will be revealed on this particular point.

God Bless

Maranatha.

Steven


Dear Steven,

I am sorry if I have wounded you...I am not smart and just found that the Gospel scriptures have hidden this 7years like 7days Jesus' ministry not recorded so as to only reveal in these last days.

During Apostles' time whereby they know Jesus died at 40yrs old and so they could CONFIDENTLY ARGUE OR DIE for CONFIRMING JESUS AS THE HIGH PRIEST (Aaron was 40yrs in wilderness too) and Like MOSES.

However, modern Christians in this last century who has computers to help research did not have the understanding which was not recorded and so many wrong dates were SUGGESTED.

Then PEOPLE used or QUOTED these DATES as FACTS which is why the PATHS become CROOKED.

GOD has given HIS HOLY SPIRIT to ALL of us and the HOLY SPIRIT will not TELL YOU Unless you STUDY the WORD and hopefully it is in HIS WILL to reveal.

Just as we know that JESUS is coming soon and many brothers and sisters who have the same HOLYSPIRIT are not waken up yet, right?

How can so many Christians with the SAME HOLYSPIRIT say DIFFERENT DATES? 9BC,6BC,3BC,1BC,1AD,3AD for Christ's Birth?

why so many different Crucification DATES? 24AD,27AD,28AD,29AD,30AD,31AD,32AD,33AD,40AD,43AD?

so many FALSE Prophets?

PLS be OPEN to this ONE I pray...40yrs WORKS of JESUS is really EYE-OPENING.

You will see that God is True and every man a LIAR...makes PLAIN ALL PROPHECIES...

That is the reason why SO MANY DATES are WRONG.

I am not saying I know...just finding that MANY are not having the SAME DATE and this does not mean they are not CHRISTIANs whom JESUS Redeemed, right?

Sorry that I am too direct and HURTing ...tRUTH hurts...

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Shalom Mike,

As I said before, I will not argue with you. I presented my findings as a way of sharing my opinion after careful research and prayer. Many people agree with my findings and find them plausible. Others have tried to refute my work, but they have failed to impress me with their opinion or to make me wish to deny the Holy Spirit, Who is Wisdom.

You are not the God of Wisdom and you have failed to impress me with your own wisdom, which is foolishness to God. So I guess we can agree to agreeably DISAGREE.

I will not change my mind as Yahshua has given me inspiration of the Holy Spirit to believe what I believe. If you are not inspired in the same way then we must have different spirits directing us. So there is NO POINT in arguing, is there?

I will continue to pray for you to understand and to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit rather than your own wisdom.

God bless you! Maranatha!

From Yah’s Servant, Helena

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Hi Mike,

I'm not wounded....I sincerely do not see a point in arguing or debating our differences about Jesus timeline on earth.

You have shared your view, opinion and I have shared my view.

I do not care to continue to discuss this topic and choose to move on.

I appreciate your opinion but that is all it is your opinion.

I read the bible and study and the conclusions that I have reached have come from diligently studying scripture am I always right? NOPE.

Do I leave room for your opinion YES.

Do not feel you have wounded me you are free to share your opinion on this site we may not always agree but my security is not in agreeing with you on every point regarding the bible.

God Bless

Maranatha.


Steven

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Dear Helena,

Is there another or different HolySpirit if the dates are different and you do not agree meaning only you have the Spirit of Wisdom if people could not agree with you?

I believe HolySpirit has convinced us according to our our ability and not by my own wisdom.
Only Jesus has the FULL WISDOM and ONLY JESUS has the FULL HOLYSPIRIT.

We can disagree but when you say mine or other brother is not having the same HolySpirit you may be guilty of Blaspheme...

Luke:12:10: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."

Re: JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY YEARS OLD...hEAR HIS VOICE?

Steven
Hi Mike,

I'm not wounded....I sincerely do not see a point in arguing or debating our differences about Jesus timeline on earth.

You have shared your view, opinion and I have shared my view.

I do not care to continue to discuss this topic and choose to move on.

I appreciate your opinion but that is all it is your opinion.

I read the bible and study and the conclusions that I have reached have come from diligently studying scripture am I always right? NOPE.

Do I leave room for your opinion YES.

Do not feel you have wounded me you are free to share your opinion on this site we may not always agree but my security is not in agreeing with you on every point regarding the bible.

God Bless

Maranatha.


Steven


Dear Brother Steven,

Understand that you have been the most open-minded person besides Gimel and only this ONE point regarding Jesus works is critical to me that you have not yet open yourself to it like the rest of many brothers/sisters.

Hope you are not saying that I have a different spirit if HolySpirit has not shown you yet.

Still hoping that you may read the Gospels again beginning from Baptism and note this missing time till John(B) cast into PriSON.

Hope you would agree because we have the SAME HolySpirit working through DIFFERENT BODY MEMBERs of the SAME CHRIST.

Do not be like Helena saying a different Spirit working in me...which is unforgiveable...

I agree that you disagree my dear brother.

I am sad and very very sad....

But Let Every man Prove his own work, and then he shall have rejoicing in himself alone

Sorry Steven,

"But Let Every man Prove his own work, and then he shall have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden."James6:4,5

pls allow me to prove my point...that Jesus started His Ministry for a 'certain season' before John(B) was in prison.

This 'certain season' was HIDDEN and revealed before to me by Jesuspolice website and like many true Christians who are not aware of this...I was skeptical too initially.

Now I am fully convinced that this could be a KEY to understanding JESUS' HIDDEN Ministry not that I am smart..but that its my burden...
However this does not mean that I am of different Spirit...please hear me ok?


Before John(Baptist) was cast into Prison in John3:24, JESUS and His disciples saw His beginning of Miracles near 1st YEAR PASSOVER FEAST at the start of JESUS' CHURCH ministry.

see John2:
v1:"And the Third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee..."
v11:"This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory..."
v13:"And the Jews' Passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem."
v23:"Now when He was in Jerusalem at the PASSOVER, in the feast day, many believed in His name..."

see John3:22-36 & 4:1-3
v22:"After these things came Jesus and His disciples into the land of Judea; and there He tarried with them, and baptized."
v23: "And John[Baptist] ALSO was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized."
v24: "For John[Baptist] was NOT yet cast into prison"
John4:1-3:"When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples then John(B), (Though Jesus Himself baptized not, but His disciples.) He left Judea, and departed again into Galilee."


John(B) had been baptizing for certain season before being cast into prison

Although the Gospels of Matthew4, Mark1 & Luke4 started to mention JESUS was Forty Days in the wilderness, in John's gospel it was not mentioned.

as confirmed in Luke4:13, "And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from Him[Jesus] for a SEASON. "


So could you see what I am trying to convince you too?
That there is a season From 40days Temptation till John(B) cast into prison and so the Gospel accounts 'NOW' when Jesus had heard that John[B) was cast into Prison..." Matthew4:12


A new findings below...

John(Baptist) was killed before the 2ND YEAR Passover which was before JESUS' feeding of 5000men... using 5loaves & 2fishes.

note in John6:1-14
v4:"And the Passover,a feast of the Jews, was nigh."
v5:"When Jesus then lifted up His eyes, and saw a great company come unto Him..."
v9:"There is a lad here, which hath 5 barley loaves, and 2 small fishes:..."

see Matthew 14:
v10:"...beheaded John(B) in the prison."
v13:"When Jesus heard of it, He departed thence by ship into a desert place apart..."
v17:"...We have 5loaves&2fishes."
v21:"And they that had eaten were about 5000 men, beside women, and children."

see Mark6:14-46:
v27:"...beheaded him[John(B)] in the prison."
v30,31:"And the apostles gathered themselves unto Jesus, and told Him all things,...He said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while..."
v38:"...they say, 5[loaves] & 2 fishes."
v44:"And they that did eat of the loaves were about 5000 men."

see Luke9:7-17:
v9:"And Herod said, John(B)have I beheaded..."
v10:"And the apostles, when they were returned, told Him[Jesus]...And He took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida."
v13:"...we have no more but 5 loaves & 2 fishes..."
v14:"For they were about 5000 men..."



John(B) was also Sacrificed as a PASSOVER LAMB 1year after JESUS' Cana Miracle?


Sorry that I am sad because if I believe in Jesus' 40year works which does not agree with the majority and was therefore branded the EVIL SPIRIT...I need to prove my innocence.

"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."James5:20

Hope you forgive me.
I forgive Helena too because I was often proud and boastful of my own theories, wisdom and works which is NOT Christ like.

The year John(B) in Prison...when Philip Tetrarch died and Herod (Antipas) took over Herodias

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287?i=41401276

an open-minded research base on both Biblical and 1st century Historian Flavius Josephus's account

Dear All,

pls look at all the sharings in the webpg and let me know if it is not open minded...thanks

With more understanding of the years of Jesus' timeline...the more fun in the watching, agree?

If Jesus died in 40AD Spring Nisan 15th and resurrected on 18th...

then 2000x360days = 1971x365.2468+99days

meaning 40AD+1971=2011AD this year our Pentecost FeAST.

That is still a possibility because there could be 1 LEAP month LESSER and needed to be included to make this AV month = Tammuz month.

So could it be that so many prophecies be concurrently fulfilled before September 2011?

This is further confirmation, agree?

JESUS WORKED AS SHEPHERD 7 YEARS...like unto Jacob,Moses,David...

Strange prompting from the Lord that JESUS MEANT WHAT HE SAID THAT HE IS THE GOOD SHEPHERD.

Pls Sudy and See Gospel of John Chapter10:1-18.

note: verse 7:
"...Verily, verily, I say unto you, I AM the DOOR of the SHEEP."

note verse 11:
"I AM the good SHEPHERD: the good SHEPHERD giveth His life for the SHEEP."

again verse 14:
"I AM the good SHEPHERD, and know My SHEEP, and AM known of Mine."

THRICE JESUS SAID "I AM" and HE is NOT ASSUMING HE IS SPIRITUALLY SHEPHERD...but HE HAD BEEN A SHEPHERD like unto MOSES, JACOB(ISRAEL) and DAVID...
note Abraham, Isaac and Israel kept sheep which are abominations to Egyptians.

see Genesis 47:3b:"...And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers."

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JESUS Like unto JACOB the SHEPHERD worked 7years twice and 6years the 3rd time.

see Genesis Chapter29

note: verse 2:
"And he(Jacob) looked, and behold a well in the field, and, lo, there were 3 flocks of sheep lying by it: for out of that well they watered the flocks: and a great stone was upon the well's mouth."

note: verse 20:
"And Jacob served 7 years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her."

note: verse 27:
"Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thous shalt serve with me(Laban or satan?) yet 7 OTHER years."

see Genesis Chapter30

note: verse 36:
"And he(Laban or satan?) set himself 3 days' journey betwixt himself and Jacob: and Jacob fed the rest of Laban's flocks."

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JESUS [worked 80 months?] Like unto MOSES the 80year old SHEPHERD called to deliver Israel.

see Exodus Chapter2:15-25 Chapter3:1

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JESUS Like unto David the SHEPHERD King of Israel.

1Samuel 16:11b:"...And he(Jesse the father of David) said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he(David) keepeth the sheep..."

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"But these are written, that ye(you) might believe
that Jesus is the Christ(Anointed ONE),
the Son of God;
and that believing ye(you) might
have life through His name."
John 20:31

"...Believe on the Lord Jesus,
and thou(you) shalt be saved,
and thy(your) house(family)."
Acts 16:31

JESUS WORKED (died) FORTY x 100 YEARS 2000yrs ago

if Jesus died in the 4000th Year wich was 2000yrs ago...

Would this also mean
40x 100yrs(Abraham age when Isaac was born)
from creation?

Genesis::21:5:
And Abraham was 100 years old,
when his son Isaac was born unto him."


Would this also mean
40x 2x 50yrs(Jubiles)
from creation?

Leviticus:25:10,11:
"And ye shall hallow the fiftieth (50th)year,
and proclaim liberty throughout all the land...
A jubile shall that fiftieth (50th)year be unto you..."


Would this also mean
10x 400yrs(affliction in Egypt)
from creation?

Genesis:15:13:
"And he said unto Abram,
Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger
in a land that is not theirs,
and shall serve them;
and they shall afflict them 400 years;"

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"But these are written, that ye(you) might believe
that Jesus is the Christ(Anointed ONE),
the Son of God;
and that believing ye(you) might
have life through His name."
John 20:31

"...Believe on the Lord Jesus,
and thou(you) shalt be saved,
and thy(your) house(family)."
Acts 16:31