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Re: Make sure you love Israel

Great video Gimel, puts a lot of weight on the subject of antichrist as well as Islam, thanks for posting it for all of us, i look forward to more of your postings.
I thinks its wonderful to have someone IN ISRAEL that can share insights with us on this site.
I blow the shofar daily and pray for the safety and peace of Israel, the apple of God's eye.
Genesis 12:3, and i will Bless those who Bless you, and i will curse those who curse you, Amen.
God Bless, Bob

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Bob if you enjoyed it.

You are surely be blessed, because you bless Israel literally, see it and prove it by yourself in your everyday life, to see the unexpected profit, gains coming which is blessing in your life ..

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Hi Gimel, i actually have worked with and have good friends who are of the muslim /islam faith, and i have witnessed to them about our God and our Savior Jesus Christ, and i pray every day that the Lord with give the increase to them.
I do enjoy your comments and posts, keep up the good work....

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Hi Bob, Mike, I copied from what Steven put in the other thread for this is very good and I want to show this to anybody who wants to boycott Israel, many moeslim countries, many antisemitic:

Did you know??

Geography:

Israel is only 1/6 of 1% of the land mass of the Middle East.
Israel is roughly half the size of Lake Michigan.
The Sea of Galilee, at 695 ft. Below sea level, is the lowest freshwater lake in the world. The Dead Sea is the lowest surface point on earth, at about 1,373 feet below sea level.
Israel is the only nation in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in it's number of trees. Jericho is the oldest continuously inhabited town in the world.
The Mount of Olives in Jerusalem is the oldest, continually used cemetery in the world.

Demographics :

Israel 's population is half the size of Metro New York City.
Israel has only 2% of the population of the Middle East .
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees per capita in the world.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation in the world - by a large margin.
Israel has the highest number of scientists and technicians per capita in the world - by a large margin.
Israel has the highest number of engineers per capita in the world.
Israel has the highest number of PhD's per capita in the world.
Israel has the highest number of physicians per capita in the world.
Israel has the largest percentage of it's workforce employed in technical professions in the world.
Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation in the world, per capita.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population has grown over the last 50 years.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Christians, Muslims and Jews are all free to vote.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women enjoy full political rights.

Economics :

Israel has the largest number of startup companies per capita in the world.
Israel is the world's largest wholesale diamond center, finally surpassing Antwerp in the 1970's.
Most of the cut & polished diamonds in the world come from Israel.
Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies outside of the US and Canada.
Israel was the first country to have a free trade agreement with the United States.
Apart from the Silicon Valley, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world.

Electronics:

The cell phone was developed in Israel at Motorola's largest development center.
The Voice Mail technology was developed in Israel.
In the early 80's, IBM chose an Israeli-designed computer chip as the brains for it's first personal computers.
The first anti-virus software for computers was developed in Israel in 1979.
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed in Israel.

Microsoft:

Both the Pentium-4 and Centrino processors were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel .
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Israel has the highest number of home computers per capita in the world.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger and ICQ was developed in 1996 by 4 young Israelis.
Israel was the first Middle Eastern country to launch a satellite, the Ofek 1, on September 19, 1988.

Culture:

Hebrew is the only case of a dead national language being revived in all of world history.
Hebrew had not been spoken as a native tongue by anyone for centuries.
Today it is the native tongue of millions of people.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other nation in the world.
Israel has more orchestras per capita than any other nation in the world.
Israel publishes more books per capita than any other nation in the world.
Israel publishes more books translated from other languages than any other nation in the world.
Israel reads more books per capita than any other nation in the world.
The most independent and free Arabic press in the Middle East is in Israel.

Military/Security:

Israel has the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the US.
Israel has the world's most impenetrable airline security.
Israel spends more money per capita on its own protection than any country in the world.

Other:

Israel's dairy cows are the most productive dairy cows in the world.
They average 25,432 pounds of milk per cow per year, compared to just 18,747 pounds from American cows; 17,085 from Canadian cows; 13,778 from European Union cows; 10,207 from Australian cows; and 6,600 from Chinese cows.
Israel has more in-vitro fertilization per capita than anywhere in the world, and it's free.
Israelis, per capita, are the world's biggest consumers of fruits and vegetables.
Of the 175 UN Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
Of the 690 UN General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel




Written by: Mark Cheatwood

Re: Make sure you love Israel

This is Perry Stone talking in the conference back in March 2011.
You would find in it:
1. the AC would come from the middle east NOT froum Europe.
2. Europe would be taken over by Islamic force in the trib.
3. Mahdi would come and right now the Spirit of the AC has already been here.
4. Before the birth of Yahshua, many Angels appearing likewise before the coming of Mahdi, many dark angels are appearing including some in Mosques, three place in a row recently.
5. Canada is the biggest oil supplier to the US and also the biggest supplier of gold to the US to keep the dollar in high.
6. there would be Canada-US-Mexican together with new currencies, NOTE this, this is very important.



Re: Make sure you love Israel

This is what I am worry: Christians against Israel, read the following news:

http://israeltoday.co.il/NachrichtenHeute/tabid/178/nid/22870/language/en-US/Default.aspx

Be careful, I myself would walk out from any church that is doing that for whatever reasons. That is my commitment.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

me too Gimel, I will walk out of any church which is against Israel.

This is indeed a FALLING AWAY of christianity...those that are not Christ's shall be fallen down.

For Many be called 'christians', but few chosen 'CHRISTians'. Matthew20:16

Re: Make sure you love Israel

In this case i agreed with you 10000%, you are absolutely correct.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Gimel Israel
In this case i agreed with you 10000%, you are absolutely correct.

10000 Thanks Gimel
and hope you will agree with 100 of my posts too...

Re: Make sure you love Israel

and it turns out that even Palestinian homeland should be Jordan and not Israel.

Watch from this video from walid Shoebat.com:

http://shoebat.com/videos/jordanPalestine.php

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Attached you would find how Vic Eliason host of Crosstalk on a Christian syndicated radio talk show on ninety one stations across the USA defends Walid Shoebat.

Here they exposes CNN and CAIR of what their view is against Israel on a most comprehensive interview yet.

http://www.shoebat.com/audio/ct110726.php

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CNN works for muslim interest said Walid Shoebat foundation.

http://shoebat.com/videos/naserAbdo.php

West bank what is it actually? Walid Shoebat foundation explained.

http://shoebat.com/videos/westBankFacts.php

Re: Make sure you love Israel

May God Bless Walid Shoebat and his ministry for being Faithful, Courageous in revealing the tRUTHs in this lying world.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

This is the email from Walid Shoebat foundation about Palestinian refugees:

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes


Friends


The UN figure of 711,000 Palestinian refugees is disputed by many historians. We believe the figures to be between 300,000 and 450,000. The
UN and mainstream media prefer to cite the higher figures. The reality is this: the Palestinian raison d'etre is that those who fled or were displaced because of the aggressive wars against Israel are kept as refugees in order to continue the conflict. After all, if there are no refugees then there is no reason to continue the fight against Israel. After World War II, 12-14 million ethnic Germans in non-German countries were forced from their homes; do we see them fighting or using terror for freedom? No. These ethnic Germans were repatriated and the German government, with the help of the Marshall Plan, rebuilt Germany and Western Europe. America and the West tried to do the same to help the Arab refugees, but we have seen quite a different result over the past 62 years. Any objective observer must ask why and look at the reality of the situation: the Islamic Jihad mindset of hatred, Anti-Semitism, the corruption of the West by a distorted form of liberalism, and the Western
need
for
oil are all major obstacles against resolution to the "Palestinian Refugee Problem."

Please watch this very short video that explains much

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/politicalPawns.php

Please share with those that do not know the truth.

Posted

Keith Davies
Executive Director of "CTNN" complete truth News Network
of Walid Shoebat Fdn and FFMU

Re: Make sure you love Israel

If the Arab countries forces Palestinians to hate Israel and allow terrorism on Israel...why not these Palestinians bring terror against any country which refuses them citizenships!?

Why are Pale.lest.in.an refugees not hating those who ill-treated them in Arab.i.an countries? Strange people...I could never understand...

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Interesting analysis from John McTernan, about the reason of the current Stock fall .... Obama pushed Israel and the visit of Palestinian to the US to endorse their plan going to the UN!!!

for Fair use of discussion and Education purpose

source:
http://www.johnmcternan.name/
As America Has Done to Israel
and
God Final Warning to America

Commentary
Yesterday the stock market fell 512 points for the greatest one day loss since 2008. In the past, these huge downturns in the market have always been tied to pressuring Israel to divide the land or homosexuality. It appears that both were happening during this market sell off. The market had been rising until July 20, when the military said it was ready for open homosexuality in the ranks. This was done with the consent of both Congress and President. In the following 12 business days the market lost 1,204 points ending with a drop of 512 points on August 4. There is also serious talk about recession!
In the middle of this downturn it was revealed that Obama was pressuring Israel to restart the peace talks to divide Israel. On the day of this revelation the market fell 265 points. On August 4, the Palestinians announced they were coming to Washington to initiate the talks and the market fell 512 points.
I do not see any way out of this for America. The church is dead asleep without the fear of God. Obama is pushing to divide Israel while at the same time the military was taken over by the Hard Left reprobates. It appears now that America is locked into economic judgment which is going to destroy the nation. It could very well happen this Fall as late September/October is when the worst stock markets occur. The die is now cast for this confrontation with a sin laden America in rebellion against God's word and the Holy God of Israel.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Interesting analysis from Walid Shoebat foundation. Even righteous liberal in UK begin to defend Walid Shoebat's stance against the moeslem treat to the UK. Read more:

FAIR USE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURSPOSE AND DISCUSSION

Friends

Jon Snow reports for Channel 4 Despatches on British TV, doing a survey on British Muslims. Channel 4 despite some silly language interpretations seems to now understand that the new generation of Muslims appear to be a grave threat to Britain and should be a warning to us that this will happen to the rest of the West including USA unless we implement some politically incorrect policies very quickly. The first step is our leaders and media including the conservative media need to at least recognize the problem. Once they admit the problem we then can tackle it. An alcoholic cannot be cured unless he admits that he is an addict. We are currently the alcoholic that does not admit that there is a problem.

Watch this clip as well as available the link to watch the full show:

http://shoebat.com/videos/muslimsWant.php


Please share with people who are ignorant of the issues.

posted by

Keith Davies
Executive Director Walid Shoebat Fdn

Re: Make sure you love Israel

This is just coming from my heart. I believe that God YHWH honors men's convenant. One simple example of this is the covenant between Esau and Jacob when Esau sold his right to Jacob and God YHWH honors that.

In light of this, God YHWH will honor the covenant between Israel and Palestine if both parties agree with the boundaries of the land which belong to Israel and which belong to Palestine. In this sense, Israel will make a big mistake by forfeiting their promised inheritance.

However, I always believe God YHWH will intervene at the right moment to keep that kind of covenant where Israel forfeit her promised inheritance forever NOT to be happened.

So in this September 2011, I would say two things that probably going to happen because I believe God YHWH will intervene in the behalf of Israel for the sake of His Word / promise made:

1. It will not be type of a covenant that Israel will agree on, BUT it will be a declaration of the world that will be imposed on Israel by force under the name of democracy by the UN. In this case that peace or whatever it is will be void in the eyes of the LORD YHWH and YHWH will execute vengeance on the earth for violence that is done toward Israel for His Word is holy.

2. The other possibility is that there will be a war before Palestine going to the UN that makes all of his effort be void. There will be a massive chaos to prevent the effort to bring this into the UN this September. We have begun to see the imploding of Stock markets which will soon be followed by social unrests around the world. Note that this chaos in Stock market will not be stopped unless the effort to go to the UN will be stopped. On the other side, the peace effort will go nowhere too because it is the way God YHWH has set to prevent an everlasting covenant between Israel and Palestine that forfeiting the promised land will never happen.

I myself tend toward the second point. There will be a massive chaos in the future to prevent the act of Palestine to go to the UN. So be prepared .... cash in hands for a month and enough supply, we are going a rough ride with the hope that Our Blessed Hope Yahshua Our Savior comes to take us all home at the appointed time to be with Yahshua forever ...

Re: Make sure you love Israel

agree with you Gimel that both are possible senarios

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Mike, I don't know if you are feeling the same thing or not, but I feel that chaos has begun, lawlessness has begun, starting with UK, it will spread .....

By September 2011, it will be already total chaos .... for the reason that God YHWH will prevent Palestine to go to the UN ....

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Gimel Israel
Mike, I don't know if you are feeling the same thing or not, but I feel that chaos has begun, lawlessness has begun, starting with UK, it will spread .....

By September 2011, it will be already total chaos .... for the reason that God YHWH will prevent Palestine to go to the UN ....


Yes Gimel

This world is getting lawless because BHO Man of sin (lawlessness) is or soon to be revealed

2Thessalonians:2:3,4: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

1Timothy:1:9-11a: "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For *****mongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God..."


Wow we are getting out of this lawless world soon!

Even so come Lord Jesus!

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Mike for adding the scripture. I love that.

Jerusalem | Filmed in Imax 3D from JerusalemGiantScreen on Vimeo.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

From Walid Shoebat Foundation: Persecution of Christian in Irag is much worse under the US occupation.

Friends:

Over one million Iraqi Christians displaced under the American occupation of Iraq. This is a disgrace and tarnish on our country. The persecution of Christians has been ten times worse under US jurisdiction than under Saddam Hussein. The Politicians and Christian leaders in USA are silent, Shame upon them! It is time for American Christians to take a stand and stop this appeasement of Islam.


http://shoebat.com/videos/assyrianChristians1.php

posted by Keith Davies
Walid Shoebat Foundation

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Part 2 of persecution of Christians in Iraq

Friends

This is part 2 of the documentary on Christian persecution in Iraq

http://shoebat.com/videos/assyrianChristians2.php

Posted by Keith Davies
Walid Shoebat Foundation

Part 3 of persecution of Christians in Iraq

Friends

Final part in three part series on the Persecution of Assyrian Christians in Iraq.

http://shoebat.com/videos/assyrianChristians3.php


Please share this with as many as possible


Posted by Keith Davies

Walid Shoebat Foundation

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Churches will read Torah portion as a reaction to others who chose to read Koran.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146479#.TkXTJUcZ8uc

Churches to Read Torah as Others Read Koran
Countering a move by churches across USA that read from the Koran, other churches prepare to read Torah.
by Gil Ronen
Published: 08/08/11, 12:43 AM

EJPress

Churches in the U.S. are preparing to read sections of the Torah on Sunday, August 13, in a show of solidarity with Israel and the Jewish people.

The move is a response to an initiative by a group of churches that read from the Muslim Koran during their services on Sunday, June 26. According to the Faith Shared project, which initiated the Koran reading, 66 churches from 32 states joined that effort.

In an effort to counter the move, a grassroots movement of churches across America is preparing to read from sections of the Torah during their services.

According to Pastor Mark Biltz, one of the pastors leading the move, while Jewish communities around the world read the Shema prayer, Christian communities will join them in solidarity. “There is a special bond between Jews and Christians, as both hold as the greatest commandment to love the L-rd their G-d with all their heart," Pastor Biltz explained. "So I’ve also posted the Shema in as many languages as I could find on our website so everyone could see it.

“I am asking in a show of solidarity with the G-d of Israel, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that churches/organizations join together in one accord and read from the Torah during their Saturday/Sunday services this coming August 13 and 14,” he wrote.

Biltz went on to say that "The suggested reading from this Torah portion is the greatest commandment, found in Deuteronomy 6:4-9, that we love the Lord with all our heart, soul and strength."

The pastor is referring to the verses after the one-line Shema prayer. The reading will obviously not be from a parchment hand-written Torah scroll.

"It is known in Judaism as the Shema and begins with asking Israel to hear and obey the Lord and realize He is the one and only G-d. This date was chosen because the Jewish people all over the world will be reading that portion on that weekend. So Christians will literally be joining a chorus of voices proclaiming on earth and to the heavens that the G-d of Israel is the One and Only G-d and that we are to love Him above all others!! This weekend also is the weekend right after the Ninth of Av and begins the readings of speaking comfort to Jerusalem."

Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel, host of Tuesday Night Live, said the initiative makes sense, historically: "The Western world is going to have to make a choice very soon," he explained. "To either side with Israel, history, facts and the Bible – or to try to appease the Arab world in its quest for world domination. The Christian world will have to choose between a G-d of love and life that our scriptures speak of, and a G-d of submission and death that is being promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood. I think that a grassroots demonstration within Christianity that identifies more with Judaism and shows solidarity with Israel is a blessed move and should be encouraged."

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Just see something interesting...the 3 alphabets in both Torah and Koran are 'OR' 'A'


TORAH = t [bearing a cross] or a 'H'eaven?

KoraN = 'K'illing? or a 'n'etherworld?


We choose TORAH which bears 't' OR A 'H'eaven!

Why follow koran...ending in 'k'illing or a 'n'etherworld...HELL?

Re: Make sure you love Israel

The newest from Walid Shoebat:

Mark of the Beast:

http://shoebat.com/videos/ett8.php

Very interesting and reasonable ....

Re: Make sure you love Israel

What will happen if Palestinian goes to the UN?

Interesting video from Walid Shoebat foundation:

http://shoebat.com/videos/palestinianState.php

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Is Israel an Apartheid state?

An excellent short video that debunk that statement from Walid Shoebat foundation.

Friends

Excellent short film that exposes the lies concerning the calumny of Israel being an
apartheid state.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/israel-is-an-apartheid/


posted by Keith Davies
Walid Shoebat Foundation

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Gimel Israel
Is Israel an Apartheid state?

An excellent short video that debunk that statement from Walid Shoebat foundation.

Friends

Excellent short film that exposes the lies concerning the calumny of Israel being an
apartheid state.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/israel-is-an-apartheid/


posted by Keith Davies
Walid Shoebat Foundation


Walid Shoebat reminded me of Apostle Paul!

God is Great!

God raised Paul (Saul) who persecuted Christians who believe in Yeshua(Jesus) to Believe and became the Most Powerful Preacher to the Gentile World.

God raised Walid Shoebat who persecuted Israelites who believe in Yahweh(Jehovah) to Believe and became the Most Powerful Preacher to the Muslim World.


Testimony of Apostle Paul like Walid?
1Timothy:1:12-17:
"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord,
who hath enabled me,
for that he counted me faithful,
putting me into the ministry;
v13: Who was before a blasphemer,
and a persecutor,
and injurious:
but I obtained mercy,
because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
v14: And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant
with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
v15: This is a faithful saying,
and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world
to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
v16: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy,
that in me first Jesus Christ
might shew forth all longsuffering,
for a pattern to them
which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
v17: Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God,
be honour and glory for ever and ever.
Amen."

Matthew:9:13:
"But go ye and learn what that meaneth,
I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
for I am not come to call the righteous,
but sinners to repentance."


Lord Thank You for Dying For us(sinners)
and Calling us(sinners) to repentence.

Thank You that we are being made righteous
through Your Precious Blood!

Romans:5:19:
"For as by one man's disobedience
many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one
shall many be made righteous."

Matthew:13:43:
"Then shall the righteous shine forth
as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

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Yes Mike, I think Walid Shoebat is a man like Apostle Paul that now defends Israel really hard.

Last night I had a dream about what is going on:

In my dream an asteroid hit the earth in middle of the sea, then giant wave suddenly formed and hit several cities around the world, destroying them and crippling them completely ....
I said to my wive that New York has been hard by this giant tidal wave around 100 meters and more higher then Liberty statue.
the next thing that came up to my mind in that dream was that UN cancel the votes for Palestinian state since UN has to meet in New York city ....

Next, I had another vision in my dream:
I look the head of statue Liberty laid down on the street without any help, in a bare land ...

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Dear Brother Gimel,

Sharing personal dreams here should be avoided so as not to draw people away from God's Word, agree?

Since we trusted you and your testimony that you are man of God and there is high chance that God had really revealed the future to you through the HolySpirit, I could say that I believe your dream could be true in certain aspects.

100m tsunami is no joke.

Liberty's head statue dream could be true

Hope to know the meaning behind why UN cancel the votes for Palestinian state.

Just sharing my personal view

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I agree with you Mike, that's why I posted not in special threat but just a reply to a threat because I myself don't really believe in my dream because sometimes it was just coming from your unconscious mind regarding the effect of elenin, asteroids, nibiru etc.
That's for the part of the dream, while for the vision of the head of liberty laid on the ground, that was kind of vision in a dream, it looks really real in my dream and it is just a flash out of nowhere .... but the important part is there is not any time mentioned in that dream, when and why specifically that would happen.

Some of my dreams didn't happen in the past too so in term of its credential, it is like putting in your eggs in just one basket to believe that dream ...

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Dear Gimel,

I agree with your view too.

We are witnessing so many things are coming to pass around Israel these days and surely we are going away up into the clouds to meet Jesus(Yeshua) soon.

Jesus(Yeshua) will then focus only on Israel and the world will gather around Jerusalem which we could understand how things are coming to pass.


May God Bless and Save Israel and All who Loves Israel!

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Dear Gimel,

I am wondering and believing that Jesus(Yeshua) is Jacob the Promised Seed of Abraham.

Since Jacob worked 7years for Rachel(Israel) and was given Leah(Church) and Jacob had to work another 7years for Rachel.

This explains why Jesus(Yeshua) had to work 7yrs alone before He called out (translated as Church) His Bride but was given Leah(many gentiles) instead of Rachel(Israel).
This further explains why Jesus(Yeshua) had to work another 7yrs for Rachel.

After Jesus(Yeshua) worked 3or4years for Rachel with (called out 'Leah'), He was cut off.

2000yrs with Leah(gentiles who are justified by faith) and it is time to work for Rachel (Israel).

so this explains why Jesus(Yeshua) had to continue 1260days or 1335days before He could called out and save Israel(Rachel).

if Abomination was 1260days from BHO's 2008 covenant with many...then that means that Jesus had finished His 7yr work for this 3year period for Rachel(Israel) and so this is why JESUS would focus only on Israel.
Remember Israel will be hidding in the wilderness for 1260days?

Jacob's Trouble started when he wanted to leave Laban with his wives and children but was asked to work for his wages...6years...2300shortened days?

The Abomination of Desolation will then be JESUS(JACOB)'s TROUBLE, agree?

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How about Kevin Hacle in Steven's post?

First before reading that, I thought there is no possibility that we are already in 7 years trib, but after reading it, I began to think, yes there is possibility of that even though I was not convinced 100%, but now the possibility of that rose in my mind like about 25% till 50% while before I read it, it was totally none or below 10% chance. Just because a lot of coincidence ... to many I guess ...

However, your theory about 7 and 7 Leah and Rachel regarding Yacob's trouble is also catching my mind because it is said in the Bible regarding the future Yacob's trouble, which represents 7 years tribulation for Israel, 7 years for Rachel ...Strangely, Leah is more abundantly blessed by children compared to Rachel. Maybe this is describing the churches which is much more than Israel BUT from decendants of Rachel, deliverer (Yacob) comes meaning .... Yahshua coming at the time of Rachel, not in Leah. Also only remnants of Israel will be saved ...

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Gimel Israel
How about Kevin Hacle in Steven's post?

First before reading that, I thought there is no possibility that we are already in 7 years trib, but after reading it, I began to think, yes there is possibility of that even though I was not convinced 100%, but now the possibility of that rose in my mind like about 25% till 50% while before I read it, it was totally none or below 10% chance. Just because a lot of coincidence ... to many I guess ...

However, your theory about 7 and 7 Leah and Rachel regarding Yacob's trouble is also catching my mind because it is said in the Bible regarding the future Yacob's trouble, which represents 7 years tribulation for Israel, 7 years for Rachel ...Strangely, Leah is more abundantly blessed by children compared to Rachel. Maybe this is describing the churches which is much more than Israel BUT from decendants of Rachel, deliverer (Yacob) comes meaning .... Yahshua coming at the time of Rachel, not in Leah. Also only remnants of Israel will be saved ...

Yes Gimel,

we could be in 'tribulation' but not WRATH of GOD.
When we understand the different meanings of the same terms used differently by different accounts such as 'those days', 'shortened days', 'affliction' tribulation', 'great tribulation' etc see my website

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730292

then you will realise all the while many believers are talking about different parts which are fulfilled if we understand the DAYS SHORTENED by UNKNOWN factor...

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730267?i=44400166

we know in part because God give us PART of the PUZZLE to some here and other PART of the PUZZLE to some there...so only these LAST DAYS could we compare side by side to understand knowing that ELENIN&NIBIRU is going to SHORTEN the DAYS, agree?

WOW!

It could be that we are in the midst of tribulation from 2008AD to 2015AD
and Wrath start 2011AD=2011AR and ends in the 7th year 2017AR

See how this could explain why the SAME HOLYSPIRIT in ALL MEMBERS has different PARTs of prophecy now?

1Corinthians:13:9: "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part."
1Corinthians:13:12: "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."


We should NEVER say other believer has different SPIRIT because it is UNFORGIVABLE.

Luke:12:10: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."

We should say we are given DIFFERENT PARTs or PORTION of the SAME SPIRIT.

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As I am thinking about Palestinian votes on September 20th, 2011, I begin to think that surely YHWH will prohibit this vote to happen with this kind of catasthropic natural disasters..
Meaning New York city could be flat before September 20, 2011 .. by natural disasters either earthquakes or big giant tsunamis ..

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Now within two days, depending what Obama said and what decision of Washington DC to Israel, Irene could hit hard Washington DC and New York city.
Just wait and see ... time is ticking now ...

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I copied what Steven posted in another post as it is excellent post and I wanted many posted that in their facebooks as supporting this fact!!!



The video that many Palestinians wanted to be removed from youtube:


Arabs never won any single war against Israel, and they never learnt till they are defeated!!!



And this is the fact of Yerushalayim: it belongs to Israel never to Palestinians in any case!!!


and never forget the US is blessed because of Israel and be blessed with advanced tech made by Israelis and I am proud becoming part of Israelis at least my brain be blessed with the greatness of Israelis brain!!!


Israel must have defensible borders to be exist, so support Israel and love her in your heart!!!

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This is the newest from SidRoth: www.sidroth.org

Chuck Pierce's prophecy.
He prophesied an African-American would be a president in 2005 three years before it happened. He said, that by acts of the US to press Israel to be back to pre-1967 border then it brings the US back to pre-1967, the time when racism spirit was still strong in the air.

However, on the other side, he predicted the COMING OF THE LORD STILL FAR which will be 2032 and by 2016 China will be a great nation while the US going downward hill. Certainly he is not predicting that BO is the AC.

Interesting to see, what is your opinion of it?

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=10409

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Gimel Israel
This is the newest from SidRoth: www.sidroth.org

Chuck Pierce's prophecy.
He prophesied an African-American would be a president in 2005 three years before it happened. He said, that by acts of the US to press Israel to be back to pre-1967 border then it brings the US back to pre-1967, the time when racism spirit was still strong in the air.

However, on the other side, he predicted the COMING OF THE LORD STILL FAR which will be 2032 and by 2016 China will be a great nation while the US going downward hill. Certainly he is not predicting that BO is the AC.

Interesting to see, what is your opinion of it?

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=10409


Romans3:4: "yea, let God be true, but every man a liar..."
1Corinthians:13:9: "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part."


we know in part, and prophesy in part and so I could say Chuck Pierce is the same too...he may have certain understanding of future events but the year of 2032 is not correct and this does not mean he is false but that Chuck could made same natural errors like the rest of us too.

Hope we are Raptured soon and I believe 2032 is 100% wrong. Seeing the STAR IN SOLAR SYSTEM is more than enough evidence especially the rate that mankind could even co-relate datas to find when HE is coming...
JESUS said NO ONE knows and NOW MANKIND HAS ALL THESE DATAS and photos and VIDEOS of the STARs...are we thinking we can know GOD's TIMING?

GOD FORBID, agree?

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Mike, I really hope that it will be this year, I mean the rapture.
Though, I knew, if we have to go to 2012, I will be struggling a lot here in the US of my financial situation. But I believe God YHWH is good, He will provide me enough and I will lack nothing.

I am trying not to think of next year, while at the same time there is an accuser always said, "there will be 2012, all of those evidences are lies, don't believe it etc. see tomorrow there's still a sun light also the days after tomorrow etc..."

It's hard to be a watchman especially today in this beautiful sunshine after the storm, a perfect day, not hot but warm and breezy wind. It is a wow day and difficult to think that the end is coming and soon ...
Yesterday, it was easy to think the end because it was a gloomy day but now ... hmmh.... really need a faith to do that.

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Gimel Israel
Mike, I really hope that it will be this year, I mean the rapture.
Though, I knew, if we have to go to 2012, I will be struggling a lot here in the US of my financial situation. But I believe God YHWH is good, He will provide me enough and I will lack nothing.

I am trying not to think of next year, while at the same time there is an accuser always said, "there will be 2012, all of those evidences are lies, don't believe it etc. see tomorrow there's still a sun light also the days after tomorrow etc..."

It's hard to be a watchman especially today in this beautiful sunshine after the storm, a perfect day, not hot but warm and breezy wind. It is a wow day and difficult to think that the end is coming and soon ...
Yesterday, it was easy to think the end because it was a gloomy day but now ... hmmh.... really need a faith to do that.

Dear Gimel,

We have to be careful of nothing but in the LORD.
Me too had financial problems facing me and thank God He is our Provider and Expert in ALL TRADES.

See how JESUS asked Peter the experienced fisherman to catch fishes in broad daylight and how the net almost break?

I did ventured out in yr2005 to do my own business and guess what? God told me 3 times and I did not want to hear Him and suffered 3 times so badly that I lost all my incomes and even become heavy in debt.
I returned after 3 friends who helped me and back-stabbed me from behind because of my threat as a cheap&good labour to their companies and I had no choice but to leave my friends so as to maintain the friendship and also grateful that they helped me when I was jobless.

In yr2007 I came back to work in the same company which I left before I venture out and God placed me in Eqpt Room with PC for me to do HIS work.

Old Colleagues and Bosses are not happy that I became very different and not as hardworking anymore.

I was the worst performer in my company and was warned 3times during appraisals not to email personal stuff.

This time I 'promised' and agreed knowing that people are irritated for few years without 'Rapture'.

Just sharing my experience too and understand why this fellowship with you and all in this excellent forum helps me peacefully that the world never gave.

Thank God for all true brothers&sisters here who share the same Love for His appearing in the SKY.

Even if we have to wait till 2012...I would still enjoy discussions here even if I lose my job...

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Thank you Mike for your sharing ....
I think we must stick to what God YHWH has promised to us in Yahshua.

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This is the newest from Walid Shoebat foundation.

Many moslem killing moslem in moslem countries many more than in Israeli war with Arabs.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/muslimsVmuslims.htm

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Yes Gimel

Regarding moslem killing moslem...it is fulfilling God's prophecy against them because they are against everyone...

Genesis:16:12: "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

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Dear Doves,
The expulsions from the Gaza in 2005 in Israel were first for the residents and then the remaining security forces. It was called "Land for Peace: Phase 1" and that place has not experienced peace or shalom since for 6 years. "The Eye of the Storm" is an insightful book in which the author has seen the connections between serious talk or action about dividing the land of Israel and terrible weather within 24 to 48 hours later, usually for America or Europe in recent decades.

The Covenant made between Adonai, an eternal unilateral Covenant, makes clear that nations will be blessed or cursed as to how they relate to that Covenant concerning the land of Israel, the people of the Covenant, and Jerusalem. The blessings are compounded or multiplied. So are the curses. Here is an example from 2005, after the expulsion of the residents from the Gaza was complete. On that day, a tropical depression began to form. It got stronger and was Hurricane Katrina. About 9600 individuals were expelled from the Gaza. How many Americans were affected by Hurricane Katrina? It was about a million people. What is the percentage or ratio of 10,000 to 1,000,000? It is one part of a hundred. This also means 100 to 1. Does this clearly show a compounding or multiplication of blessings or curses? It shows the multiplication of curses, at 100 parts to 1 part. This is very serious business, to obey or disobey the Covenant Adonai promised to uphold as the stronger partner. A case can be argued that the Gaza remains a place of compounded/multiplied curses from Adonai to this day, as long as the land remains divided and the Covenant people expelled from the land.


What is scheduled on 9-20 in 2011?

This will probably be the date when an estimated 120-130 member nations of the United Nations vote for the creation of a "Palestinian State" and the creation of a "Palestinian Capitol" at East Jerusalem" also. This will be additional "DIVIDING MY LAND" according to Adonai! If we have seen the curses return to a nation for dividing the land of Israel, breaking and disobeying the Abrahamic Covenant Land, what happens when that one nation changes to 120 or 130 nations?

What is 100 to 1 when it is multiplied by 120 or 130? Is it not then 12,000 or 13,000 times worse as a compounded or multiplied global/worldwide situation? That is 12 or 13 thousand times worse as we see the compounding at 100 times 1 multiplied by 120 or 130 for so many of the nations on earth. What is the percentage or ratio of 120 or 130 of 190 nations? It is 12 or 13 of 19. Are the consequences of honoring or breaking the Covenant of Adonai and Avram (Abraham), eternally ongoing through the seed of Isaac, tremendously serious? What might happen within 24 to 48 hours worldwide of the votes on 9-20-2011? The last full day of Summer for Israel will be 9-21 to 22-2011, from sundown to sundown. Sundown on 9-20 begins 9-21 for Israel, THE LAST DAY for summer. The Season of the Sign of the Fig Tree, Summer beginning to ending, will soon be complete. On 9-23-2011 at 9:04 in the morning, the doors or gates to Summer close for Israel. We are told in The Scriptures that ALL of the NATIONS will side against Israel (Land, Covenant People, and Jerusalem) during the 70th Week of Daniel. The Sheep and Goats Judgment after the Second Coming by THE JUDGE (Messiah/Christ) will assess and judge each and all of the nations. The results of Hurricanes Katrina and Irene have been tremendous. But that concerns one nation, with many states.

What will the dire and grave consequences be with the COMPOUNDING OF CURSES, the MULTIPLICATION of CURSES be like if it is 120-130 nations of 190? The date of 9-20 looms large on the horizon. The predictions, promises, prophecies within The Scriptures are always fulfilled at 100% accuracy. May we take refuge in MESSIAH/CHRIST, the all majestic and powerful KING of KINGS and the LORD of LORDS. HE shall UPHOLD the COVENANT which ADONAI has PROMISED to ETERNALLY SUSTAIN. The Blessed Hope is before us, dear Doves. Come quickly, Lord...

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Dear Doves,
I have just read a link at RFTH from Mike Evans. In it is quoted Israel's top United Nations diplomat, Ron Prosser. Ron estimates that more than 130 of the 193 member nations of the United Nations will vote yes for the vote on Palestinian statehood. He also believes that most of the 60 or so remaining nations of the 163 will not have the courage to vote no, but will abstain. Here is my interpretations of these things. In essence voting yes or abstain means almost all of the 193 member nations of the United Nations will side against Israel. They will side against the eternal Abrahamic Covenant. Mike Evans also relates the following. "United Nations approval of the resolution would immediately place Israel in dire economic straights. The Palestinians have already announced their intention to follow the UN vote with appeals to the World Court and other international bodies to punish Israel economically. Israel's economy is already struggling." Mike Evans has recently visited Israel and relates "I saw firsthand the social turmoil that has resulted from skyrocketing prices on food, gas, housing, and other necessities." The events on 9-20 look even more significant with this additional information. Will most or nearly all the nations side against Israel? That would be more than 12/19 or 13/19, of 130 of 193. It would be 185 or more of 193 nations siding against Israel and the Abrahamic Covenant? Come quickly, Lord...

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Thanks Steven, excellent post!!! This will perfectly fit all to the judgment upon the entire world except one thing, all the children should be removed first so that the remaining will be riped for judgment .... September 20 2011 right after that less than 48 hours, something catastropic would happen but before that the removal must happen first...

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Note: September 20 2011

Sept 20 is the day our military does away with don't ask don't tell,

Sept 20 is the day U N vote to create a Palestinian state dividing Jerusalem.

Pray for Jerusalem

Maranatha!!!

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I know Our God YHWH doesn't like this coming voting in September 20th, 2011.
I asked you who loves Israel to fast between September 19th to September 21st, 2011 for security of Israel, for salvation for Israel, for fulfillment of Ezekiel regarding the flesh heart replacing the stone heart.

Thank you Steven for your heart for the people of Israel.

I copied what you posted in another threat:

Gen 12:1-3
12:1 Promises to Abram

(Acts 7:2-5)

Now the LORD had said to Abram:

"Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father's house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
NKJV

Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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At the end truth will always win and lies be exposed and lost the battle to the truth.
As they seek lies, the father of lies upon them.

Palestinian lies part 1:


Palestinian lies part 2:

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With the rise of Turkey hostilities toward Israel, then the explanation of Walid Shoebat of possible arise of the AC from Turkey area or surround arises.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/ett8.php

Look how Palestinian lies in previous post then Turkey also lies about how they treat passenger from Israel.

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On the other hand, people around the world begin to wake up of what is actually Sharia Law meaning, it's a trap for all other than moeslem, because they require all others to submit to moeslem or face harsh non-equal treatment!!! Example:
- Christian in Eqypt
- christian in Malaysia
- Christian in Pakistan
- Christian in Indonesia
- Christian in All middle east countries except Israel
- Christian in African moeslem countries
- Christian in all other Islamic countries in the world and also all other religions than Islam as Islam sees all the others as second hand citizen.

The news from Walid Shoebat foundation:

Excellent speech by Swiss member of Parliament Oskar Freysinger said with passion and truth that no politician in Washington is yet ready to speak from the floor of Congress. In order for us to beat back the Islamists we need some key leaders in Washington to make a similar speech and lead the nation against the Islamist threat head on.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/areWeInsane.htm

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The links in Walid Shoebat foundatin I provided below is an excellent source of how Israel has legitimate right to be in the place in the middle east as right now.

Look at by yourself:

From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Friends:

Excellent short documentary of the historic legitimacy of Israel:

Please watch and share

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/rights2palestine.htm

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Thanks Steven for the wonderful video.

I got email from Walid Shoebat foundation about the truth regarding peace process between Palestine and Israel.
It was said that PLO was established in 1964 even when the whole Palestinian land still under Jordan. The charter of PLO when established back then was to eliminate the State of Israel and they continued to do this till today, not realizing they become tools of the AntiChrist.


Friends


Israel finally using the internet to give its position and facts concerning the wars and propaganda war to destroy Israel

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If Israel Disappears

By Cal Thomas
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http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | The world -- or at least the large part of it that hates Israel and wishes it would go away -- moves a step nearer that goal this week when the United Nations votes on whether to recognize a Palestinian state. The vote violates the Declaration of Principles signed by the PLO in 1993, which committed the terrorist group and precursor to the Palestinian Authority to direct negotiations with Israel over a future state. This violation is further evidence the Palestinian side cannot be trusted to live up to signed agreements and promises. Caroline Glick, whose column appears in these pages, rightly calls the prospective UN vote "diplomatic aggression."

Israel -- like the Jewish people for centuries -- has become the fall guy for people who prefer their anti-Semitism cloaked in diplomatic niceties. The Palestinians could have peace any time they wish and probably a state, too, if they acknowledged Israel's right to exist and practiced verbal, religious and military disarmament. One has a right to question the veracity of a people who claim they want peace, while remaining active in ideological, theological and military warfare aimed at its publicly stated objective: the eradication of the Jewish state.

The United States has pledged to veto the Palestinian Authority's membership application if it comes before the U.N. Security Council, but the General Assembly is another matter. There only a majority vote would be needed to grant the Palestinian government permanent observer status. From that point forward it would be death by a thousand diplomatic cuts until Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad finally decides to fulfill his own prophecy and drop a nuclear bomb on Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. Following that horror, European and American diplomats will wring their hands and say it would not have happened had Israel been more "flexible" and ceded additional territory.

Before Israel is allowed to disappear again (as Palestinian maps and school textbooks already depict) and the Jews who survive are sent into exile (who would take them?), it is worth noting a few of the numerous contributions Israel has made to the world, compared to what the Arab-Muslim-Palestinian culture has contributed.

Every weekday NewsAndOpinion.com publishes what many in the media and Washington consider "must-reading". HUNDREDS of columnists and cartoonists regularly appear. Sign up for the daily update. It's free. Just click here.


This tiny land with less than 1/1,000th of the world's population, has produced innovative scientists that have contributed to cellphone, computer and medical technology, including the development of "a disposable colonoscopic camera that makes most of the discomfort surrounding colonoscopies obsolete," discovery of "the molecular trigger that causes psoriasis," as well as "the first large-scale solar power plant -- now working in California's Mojave Desert." Read about many more Israeli contributions to the world at http://www.israel21c.org/didyouknow/didyouknow.

These innovations, and many others, took place while Israel was engaged in wars, suffering terrorist attacks from enemies who seek its destruction and spending more per capita on its defense than any other country.

If Israel were to be made even more vulnerable and possibly eradicated by unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state, the moral stain on the West would be a "mark of Cain" for generations to come. What other nation, what other people, would the so-called "civilized" world allow to be targeted for annihilation like Israel has been?

Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, will come to the UN to deliver a speech on the same day Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas is scheduled to give his speech calling for the body to support Palestinian statehood. "The General Assembly is not a place where Israel usually receives a fair hearing," Netanyahu said last week, "but I still decided to tell the truth before anyone who would like to hear it."

The UN can't handle the truth and few member states will like hearing it. The blood of the Jewish people will be on their hands if they continue to empower individuals and nations whose goal is to create Holocaust II and a "Palestine" without Jews.

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Excellent speech from PM. Netanyahu, wow I honor this man telling the truth while many other put their faces away from the truth.

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Hi Gimel,

Thank you for this wonderful post!!!

I restate my support of ISRAEL and for the Jewish People of the WORLD.

May GOD BLESS ISRAEL as we see the events of the BIBLE (GOD'S HOLY WORD) being fulfilled!

God's will be done on earth as it is in HEAVEN!

In JESUS ( the MESSIAH'S) Name!


Maranatha!!!


KEEP LOOKING UP FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAW NIGH.

Let us not stop praying for ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE. Let us continue to pray for ALL THE LOST PEOPLE OF THE WORLD THAT THEY MAY KNOW JESUS THE CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED.

Steven


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Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Steven, beautiful songs.
I believe Netanyahu told UN participants the truth, now it's all up to them to choose death or life.

There are three reasons to say "NO" to Palestinian State:

From Walid Shoebat Foundation:
Friends:


This short to the point video shows 'spot on' why there can not be a peaceful state of "Palestine." Please share with the people who need to know.


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/3reasonsNo.htm

Posted by Keith Davies

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Palestinian refugee holds Jordanian passpor and what they wanted to achieve is actually wiping out Israel out to the sea!!!

Friends

Our friends over at United West provide some revealing information on how Jordanians or as they like to be called Palestinians truly think. When Walid was young and living in the "West Bank" he saluted the Jordanian flag and prayed for King Hussein of Jordan. Walid's father held a Jordanian passport. So this Palestinian woman who lives in Dearborn confirms the truth.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/shereenNerwash.htm

Posted by Keith

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The real goal of PLO is the destruction of the state of Israel. So we should pray and bless Israel everyday.

From youtube: the real goal of PLO to wipe Israel out of the map:

Friends:


The Goal of the PLO and a large chunk of the world is the destruction of Israel. The proof is right in this video.


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/fatahPlan.htm

On that sorry note, let us hope for a just and sweet year. Happy New Year to our Jewish Brothers and Sisters.

Peace through strenghth.

Shalom

Walid and Keith

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History of Palestinian conflicts in 11 minutes: Excellent Explanation, Opening Eyes!!!

Friends

Great explanation of the constant rejection of peace by the Arabs and so called "Palestinians"...

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/MEconflict.htm


posted by Keith Davies

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Gimel Israel
History of Palestinian conflicts in 11 minutes: Excellent Explanation, Opening Eyes!!!

Friends

Great explanation of the constant rejection of peace by the Arabs and so called "Palestinians"...

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/MEconflict.htm


posted by Keith Davies


The History of the Middle East Conflict in 11 Minutes



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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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Re: Make sure you love Israel

I just realized that the video has been removed from Walid Shoebat Foundation by user so I posted directly here:

Re: Make sure you love Israel

The Lord's prayer in Hebrew:

From youtube:

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Hi Gimel,

I just finished watching this last video you posted.

As I was watching I again was reminded of ALL of GOD'S promises not only for Israel and the Jewish people but for all Christians that the BIBLE IS THE TRUE WORD OF GOD WITH SO MANY PROMISES.

This videos gave me peace and also sadness at the same time because the next few years will be very painful for those who "willingly choose to reject God or attack those who do choose the GOD of the BIBLE.


Rom 3:1-4
3:1 God's Judgment Defended


What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar
NKJV




Let us continue to pray for Israel,and all the unsaved people of the world.

Let us as Christian stop fighting and arguing with each other about Pre trib, Pre Wrath, Mid Trib , Post Trib, and focus on the First commandment.



Gen 1:1 - Matt 22:40
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"

37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
NKJV






Deut 6:1-9
Deuteronomy 6

6:1 The Greatest Commandment


"Now this is the commandment, and these are the statutes and judgments which the LORD your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe them in the land which you are crossing over to possess, 2 that you may fear the LORD your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged. 3 Therefore hear, O Israel, and be careful to observe it, that it may be well with you, and that you may multiply greatly as the LORD God of your fathers has promised you — 'a land flowing with milk and honey.'

4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! 5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

6 "And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. 7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
NKJV




Gimel,
Thank you again for posting this video and sharing the rich heritage that the country of ISRAEL and it's people have been to the WORLD through Jesus Christ ( YESHUA)

God Bless

Maranatha!!!

Keep Looking UP!!!

Steven

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Gimel for this inspiring video that God's Prophecies & Promises are All fulfilling in this Last days in Israel's Miracles in Promised Land really flowing with milk and honey.

I was not able to post earlier for these days because my personal computer was faulty and thank God I bought 1 cheap and good PC yesterday and had now able to post again. My office PCs could see the post but not able to post.

I agree with Steven that God's Word is of the most important because what Israel had accomplished today is due to God's Word being fulfilled as He said in His Word.

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730294?i=42411731

Just sharing what I felt yesterday regarding the 3Persons in the 1GODHEAD as shown above.

Yesterday, my mother-in-law who was a very hardworking housewife helped our old lady neighbour buy cigerates because she is not able to walk.

My mother-in-law meant well as of doing good work out of charity and she informed me of her good work.

I told her I have preached to that old lady before and it could be that the old lady was using my mum to attack me in this 'cigerate' help.

My mum was very angry and does not understand the spiritual war I had and she blamed me and scolded me and made a whole lot of yelling and throwing things like a crazy person and so I screamed and yelled back.

Thank God my wife came back and tried to cool us down. My mum wanted to return to China and I had enough of her nonsense and would not want to retain her anymore because she is a non-believer and always at war with me regarding my sharing her with Christ or the Rapture. She has enough too.

We cooled down further and then understood that it was all due to mis-communication because my mum is Shanghainese and her Chinese language or culture is very different from me who is Singaporean. My wife was a Chinese Shanghainese who lives in Singapore for many years and she understands both our language&cultural differences and this time she cried because of the stress in between.

What I am trying to say here is that my mum, wife and me are like 3 different Persons in the family.
I know a lot of God's Word, my mum does a lot of Housework, my wife loves the Way of Life alot.

Finally, My mum listened to voice of my wife who understands my anger regarding the wrong help which my mum was rendering to our old neighbour and she understood my intentions later.

Although tensions arises between me and my mum...I believe we could still stay until Christ comes...

This is something like the 3 DISTINCTIVE WILLS in the ONE GODHEAD.

HolySpirit is the 3rd Person in the Godhead and would need to point all to Christ the 2nd Person of Godhead who submitted [Son's]His will to the Will of the Father the 1st Person of Godhead.

If we being filled with the HolySpirit do not know nor follow Christ...we are moving the wrong ways and so erred like liars...

If Christ disobeyed just 1 Word of God...We will All be without Hope and be lost in everything God Promised.


YET the many differences in the interpretations arises because of the 3WILLs of Father,Son&HolySpirit.

HolySpirit is at WORK in this WORLD to point Mankind to God but would only tEACH every man God's Word according to that INdividual PERSON.
If the PERSON did not want to know God's WORD, the HOLYSprit will not force the PERSON to know. So this is why many people who has the HolySpirit filled in them could say Prophecies which are not 100% right.

It is because the Person although being filled with the Same HolySpirit is receiving ONLY a PART of the Prophecy.
That makes him a LIAR and everyone of us are found to be LIARS too.

But thank God the HolySpirit's Will is according to the Will of Christ who is obeying the Will of the Father.

Thank God the 3 Persons in the Godhead agree as ONE.

Even ONE is a 3-Alphabet-Word.

Holy Holy Holy,
Lord God Almighty!
Amen Amen Amen!

P.S. sorry for sharing my personal encounter here...

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thank you Mike for your analogy.

I post this a video that Palestinians don't want people to see:



From Walid Shoebat foundation.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Gimel,

Fyi. My mum and me have reconciled and happy that she understood and realised that her own image was affected even when helping someone in the wrong way.

Pls note that this excellent video was earlier posted within Steven's post.
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=879380&cmd=show

Thanks for including this excellent video here so that anyone who loves Israel could see all excellent related videos and informations in this post.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Mike and Steven for your excellent posts.



News clip one:
How to Speak to the Muslims: Our friend Professor Mordecai Kedar shows us all on how to stand up to the the Arab media. If only our Jewish Federations and Jewish leaders would stop talking peace and instead stand up for what is theirs. Respect comes before being loved. Jews need to stop looking to be loved and start looking to be respected.


News Clip 2
Protest to Save a Murderer: A Pakistani mob protests the death sentence of a confessed murderer who killed Salman Taseer former governor of Punjab. Even the liberal news organization France 24 understands the take-over of Pakistan by the fundamentalists.

Both can be accessed on the link below:

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/speakMuslimMurder.htm


Posted by Keith Daviesfrom Walid Shoebat foundation.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Gimel Israel
Thanks Mike and Steven for your excellent posts.



News clip one:
How to Speak to the Muslims: Our friend Professor Mordecai Kedar shows us all on how to stand up to the the Arab media. If only our Jewish Federations and Jewish leaders would stop talking peace and instead stand up for what is theirs. Respect comes before being loved. Jews need to stop looking to be loved and start looking to be respected.


News Clip 2
Protest to Save a Murderer: A Pakistani mob protests the death sentence of a confessed murderer who killed Salman Taseer former governor of Punjab. Even the liberal news organization France 24 understands the take-over of Pakistan by the fundamentalists.

Both can be accessed on the link below:

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/speakMuslimMurder.htm


Posted by Keith Daviesfrom Walid Shoebat foundation.


Dear Beloved & Respected Gimel & Steven & all,

Love the Fearless Man whom God YHWH raised up to speak to the Arab Media, Defending so excellently well for Israel and Jerusalem!

The world has chose a target board and vented their anger on Israel which even Arabs are fed up too.

Arabs too know that they would be cursed if they curse Israel.

May the Whole World Repent, Respect & Receive Israel!

Rapture belongs to all who bless Israel!

Re: Make sure you love Israel

mike
Rapture belongs to all who bless Israel!


Thank you Mike, you perfectly described what I thought, many would argue about this for many reasons but I am stick with it because Israel is our brother, and Israel as a country is a loss brother in Yahshua, someday all becomes one in Yahshua

From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Friends

Palestinian Hate versus Jewish Insanity
http://www.shoebat.com/videos/release101911.html

also

Holder Reveals Iran Plot To Distract From ‘Fast and Furious,’ Ends Up Highlighting Cases’ Similarities:

Click for full article written by yours truely

http://bigpeace.com/kdavies/2011/10/19/holder-reveals-iran-plot-to-distract-from-fast-and-furious-ends-up-highlighting-cases-similarities/#more-168952


We will post videos on front page but they will not be archived as our web master who lives in Israel is back in the USA spending a month with his family as well as attending his sister's wedding.


posted by Keith Davies

Re: Make sure you love Israel

In my opinion 11/11/11 will be an interesting date to watch as General Security council will meet and decide by voting the Palestinian State who always refuse to admit the right to exist of the Jewish State over and over again.
I am with Jewish State, because Israel has the right to exist so the problem is with Palestinian State since early of its inception. What Palestinian wants is the annihilation of Israel through the UN!!! They don't want peace (Yahshua) they only want war (the AC) till the Prince of peace coming, there will be no peace in Yerushalayim.... Keep looking up, cause our redemption is near.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Hi Gimel,


It won't be long now ....not many days until 11/11/11

Time is flying by....


tic toc tic toc.....





Countdown To 11-11-11




Re: Make sure you love Israel

From another thread but still an excellent article.

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/

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Something to Consider: Eurupe died with Auswitch
October 26, 2011

I got this message on email. Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez might not exist. But the facts are correct.


Nazism and Islam has rthe same source. Both ideologies wants to get rid of the Jews.
The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn’t take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe – and possibly to the rest of the world.

REMEMBER AS YOU READ — IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER 
Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz …. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned. 
 
And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.
 
Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.
 
And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.
 
What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ……
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The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:



Literature:


1988 – Najib Mahfooz


Peace:

1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

1990 -Elias James Corey

1994 -Yaser Arafat

1999 -Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics: 
(zero)

Medicine:

1960 – Peter Brian Medawar

1998 – Ferid Mourad


TOTAL: 7 SEVEN


The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population.

They have received the following

Nobel Prizes:
 


Literature:

1910 -Paul Heyse

1927 -Henri Bergson

1958 -Boris Pasternak

1966 -Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 -Nelly Sachs

1976 -Saul Bellow

1978 -Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 -Elias Canetti

1987 -Joseph Brodsky

1991 -Nadine Gordimer

World
 
Peace:

1911 – Alfred Fried

1911 – Tobias Michael and Carel Asser

1968 – Rene Cassin

1973 – Henry Kissinger

1978 – Menachem Begin

1986 – Elie Wiesel

1994 – Shimon Peres

1994 – Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 – Henri Moissan

1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach

1915 – Richard Willstaetter

1918 – Fritz Haber

1921 – Albert Einstein

1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck

1925 – Gustav Hertz

1943 – Gustav Stern

1943 – George Charles de Hevesy

1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi

1952 – Felix Bloch

1954 – Max Born

1958 – Igor Tamm

1959 – Emilio Segre

1960 – Donald A.. Glaser

1961 – Robert Hofstadter

1961 – Melvin Calvin

1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz

1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 – Julian Schwinger

1969 – Murray Gell-Mann

1971 – Dennis Gabor

1972 – William Howard Stein

1973 – Brian David Josephson

1975 – Benjamin Mottleson

1976 – Burton Richter

1977 – Ilya Prigogine

1978 – Arno Allan Penzias

1978 – Peter L Kapitza

1979 – Stephen Weinberg

1979 – Sheldon Glashow

1979 – Herbert Charles Brown

1980 – Paul Berg

1980 – Walter Gilbert

1981 – Roald Hoffmann

1982 – Aaron Klug

1985 – Albert A. Hauptman

1985 – Jerome Karle

1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 – Robert Huber

1988 – Leon Lederman

1988 – Melvin Schwartz

1988 – Jack Steinberger

1989 – Sidney Altman

1990 – Jerome Friedman

1992 – Rudolph Marcus

1995 – Martin Perl

2000 – Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 – Simon Kuznets

1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1975 – Leonid Kantorovich

1976 – Milton Friedman

1978 – Herbert A. Simon

1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 – Franco Modigliani

1987 – Robert M. Solow

1990 – Harry Markowitz

1990 – Merton Miller

1992 – Gary Becker

1993 – Robert Fogel
 
Medicine:

1908 – Elie Metchnikoff

1908 – Paul Erlich

1914 – Robert Barany

1922 – Otto Meyerhof

1930 – Karl Landsteiner

1931 – Otto Warburg

1936 – Otto Loewi

1944 – Joseph Erlanger

1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 – Ernst Boris Chain

1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 – Tadeus Reichstein

1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 – Hans Krebs

1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 – Joshua Lederberg

1959 – Arthur Kornberg

1964 – Konrad Bloch

1965 – Francois Jacob

1965 – Andre Lwof

f
1967 – George Wald

1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 – Salvador Luria

1970 – Julius Axelrod

1970 – Sir Bernard Katz

1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 – Howard Martin Temin

1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 – Daniel Nathans

1980 – Baruj Benacerraf

1984 – Cesar Milstein

1985 – Michael Stuart Brown

1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini

1988 – Gertrude Elion

1989 – Harold Varmus

1991 – Erwin Neher

1991 – Bert Sakmann

1993 – Richard J. Roberts

1993 – Phillip Sharp

1994 – Alfred Gilman

1995 – Edward B. Lewis

1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church..

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind before they demand that humankind respects them.
 
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel ‘s part, the following two sentences really say it all:

‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .

Benjamin Netanyahu
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General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.
 
He did this because he said in words to this effect:
 
’Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some b*****d will get up and say that this never happened’

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. 
 
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.

This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and (1,900 Catholic priests) Let us not forget that the Pope supported Hitler, but Hitler did kill priests who did not agree with the Pope) who were ‘murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated’ while many people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth,’ it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.
 
How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center ‘NEVER HAPPENED’ because it offends some Muslim in the United States?

Written by Ivar


Thanks Ivar for writing this.

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From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Friends:

Being one of Frank Sinatra's die hard fans (Keith), I also would like to make a tribute to him with this video made in 1962 the year I was born. In this video Frank Sinatra himself pays tribute to Israel as well as making an appeal to support young country which then was only 14 years old. Frank would have been 96 years old on December 12 this year, he died 4 weeks before my wedding day on May 14 1998.

Here is the video

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/sinatraNisrael.htm

Keith Davies
Executive Director

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Romans:11:15: "For if the casting away of them[Israel] be the reconciling of the world,
what shall the receiving of them[Israel] be,
but life from the dead[RAPTURE]?"


I believe the KEY to RAPTURE is THE RECEIVING OF ISRAEL!

MAY ALL BELIEVERS OR FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST [GENTILES OR JEWS] RECEIVE ISRAEL TODAY AND FULFILL THIS
"LIFE FROM THE DEAD"
RAPTURE KEY or CONDITION

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Wow Mike, you are right, I never read that passage with that understanding.

So who hate Israel can risk themselves of being left behind....

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Gimel Israel
So who hate Israel can risk themselves of being left behind....

Yes Gimel,

Very likely whoever hates[loveth not] Israel would be left behind[abideth in death] because Israel is APPLE OF HIS EYE.

1John:3:14: "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."

1John:4:8: "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

1John:4:20: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother [Israel] whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

Zechariah:2:8: "For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath He[YHWH] sent me unto the nations which spoiled you[Israel]: for he that toucheth you[Israel] toucheth the apple of His[YHWH's] eye."

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Even though I cannot describe in details every verse that support Love to Brethren can also mean Love to Israel, Mike, you are perfectly describing what my feel about Israel and what the Holy Spirit has put in my heart when I started this thread several months ago.

Re: Make sure you love Israel

Thanks Gimel for this Topic and all who receives & loves Israel too.

I feel that ALL NATIONS should also be grateful to Israel because our LORD JESUS[YAHSHUA] confirmed that 'salvation is of the Jews.'

John:4:22: "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

May LORD God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel Bless All Nations & forevermore.

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Friends

People in the West need to understand that there is no such thing as "moderate" Islam and there is also no such thing as "extreme" Islam there is only Islam. If you are a Muslim you cannot be loyal to another form of government i.e. democracy. This video explains it clearly from the horses mouth so to speak.


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/belgianJihad.html

posted by Keith Davies

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From Walid Shoebat Foundation.

Friends:

The brand new TV show featured on Cable TV channel TLC tries to depict Muslims as "ordinary patriotic" Americans but fails to deliver in its very first episode by featuring a radical Shia Imam Husham Al- Husainy. In the first episode the Imam is featured marrying a male convert to Islam to a secular Muslim women. The Imam was exposed on the Sean Hannity Show back in February 2007. I remember listening to the actual interview live in which it was obvious the Imam supports Hezbollah a terror entity listed by the State Department. The Imam hates the the USA and Israel. You can hear in the interview what a nut job the Imam is and his gymnastics and crazy attacks in order to avoid answering simple questions.

The main stream media continues to propagate the illusion of a moderate Islam and moderate Muslims. The only moderate Muslims that can exist and based on the way the show is presented are the Muslims who act in a very secular way and the Muslims who follow the faith closely are a major problem when it both comes to sympathizing with terror or actually supporting it. Even the "secular" Muslims still have tribal instinct to side with the tribe rather than side with righteousness. We will continue to monitor the show as it progresses through the season.

watch and listen to the segments from the Sean Hannity show that expose the Imam Hushan Al-Husainy

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/americanMuslims.html


posted by Keith Davies

Re: Make sure you love Israel

This one verse captures my mind:

Psa 11:5 Yahweh measures the righteous; But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Who support Palestinian Intifada, firing rockets and missiles to Israel teritory, killing innocents, killing unarmed persons, killing babies, are those who in this category, those who loveth violence.

Again do not risk yourself of being left behind because of your hatred toward Israel ....

In fact HAMAS means literally VIOLENCE !!! Coincidence? Of course not, this serves as a dividing line between the righteous and the wicked ....

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ABC misleads people about Islam:

from WalidShoebat foundataion:

Friends

Our friend over at Answering Muslims David Wood gives you the expert analysis of how the stupid MSM media either get suckered by the "moderate Muslims" who mislead and lie about the true teachings of Islam. The MSM are the equivalent of the orchestra that soothed the nerves of the Jews before they were marched to their death in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. Spread this important explanation of the true nature of the teachings of Islam.

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/abcNislam.html

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From Jonathan Cahn: Israel, beginning and end:

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From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Palestinian never wants Peace NEVER they want to keep the pot boiling, they fill their hearts with hatred toward Israel.

Friends:

In the past Pat Condell, the famous YouTube commentator, while getting the Islam issue, was not pro-Israel and favored the delusion of a 'two-state solution' on the premise: "why can't the Jews and Arabs just get along?" For this reason we never posted his stuff. Well, Pat now gets the issue of the Arab-Israeli conflict and has figured it out correctly that it is about Jew-hate. Pat is an atheist (maybe he might change on this too some day), but has changed his mind about a 'two-state solution' and is now on the side of the Jews. Pat's commentaries are always politically incorrect and powerfully articulated. Share with those that also need to get it!

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/patNisrael.html

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Gimel Israel
From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Palestinian never wants Peace NEVER they want to keep the pot boiling, they fill their hearts with hatred toward Israel.

Friends:

In the past Pat Condell, the famous YouTube commentator, while getting the Islam issue, was not pro-Israel and favored the delusion of a 'two-state solution' on the premise: "why can't the Jews and Arabs just get along?" For this reason we never posted his stuff. Well, Pat now gets the issue of the Arab-Israeli conflict and has figured it out correctly that it is about Jew-hate. Pat is an atheist (maybe he might change on this too some day), but has changed his mind about a 'two-state solution' and is now on the side of the Jews. Pat's commentaries are always politically incorrect and powerfully articulated. Share with those that also need to get it!

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/patNisrael.html

posted by Keith Davies

Great video, Gimel

Great Man Pat and I believe he is Blessed to know the Truth that Hatred against Israel is the Cause of Palestinian misery and ONLY when they see that their heart is changed like Pat...they would see GR.ACE and PE.ACE!

GRACE and PEACE the ACE of GOD in JESUS CHRIST THE PRINCE OF PEACE.

May God's Love and Grace Turn these Hatred into Love or else God's final Judgmental Wrath will be unleashed against these who hated Israel[Jesus] unreasonably without any cause.

Psalms:35:19: "Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause."

Psalms:69:4: "They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away."

Psalms:109:3: "They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause."

Psalms:119:78: "Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts."

Psalms:119:161: "Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word."

John:15:25: "But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause."


May God's Day of vengeance be revealed SOON!

Romans:12:19: "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

2Thessalonians:1:8: "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

Hebrews:10:30: "For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people."

Deuteronomy:32:35: "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste."

Isaiah:34:8: "For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

Isaiah:35:4: "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; He will come and save you."

Ezekiel:25:15: "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;...
v17: "And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

Micah:5:15: "And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard."

Nahum:1:2: "God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies."
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Israel is a blessings not a calamity
December 2, 2011
The establishment of the State of Israel, is not as a calamity but rather as a people being restored to its ancient homeland.

Ron Prosor tries to correct the Islamic falcification of the history of the Middle East.

These are the words of Ron Prosor, the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations.

Tuesday’s presentations in “solidarity with the Palestinian people,” Prosor said, present “a distorted and impartial version of history. It transforms the cause of Palestinian self-determination into a deliberate attempt to denigrate, defame and delegitimize the State of Israel.”

The ambassador recounted the history of the establishment of the State of Israel, not as a calamity but rather as a people being restored to its ancient homeland. In response, the Arab nations declared war on the Jewish state, he said.

“One percent of Israel’s population died in combat during this assault by five armies [in 1948]. Think about that price,” Prosor said. “It would be the equivalent of 850,000 soldiers dying in France today, or 3 million soldiers dying in the United States, or 13 million soldiers dying in China.”

While many Arabs became refugees as a result of the War of Independence, Prosor said, so did Jews – and the difference between the two nations lay in the fact that Jewish refugees were absorbed into Israeli society, while Palestinian refugees were not.

Prosor cited discrimination against Palestinians in various Arab nations: “In the vast majority of Arab countries, Palestinians have no rights of citizenship. It is no coincidence that the Arab world’s responsibilities for the ‘inalienable rights’ of these Palestinians never appear in the resolutions before you.”

Source: Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=247687

My comment:

The truth about the state of Israel is painful for all who live in darkness.

For the Arab nations, is a horribly exercise to admit that “allah” is a lesser “god”, than the God of the Hebrews. That there must be more truth found in the Jewish Torah, than in the Koran.

Islamic terrorist has taken a long bet. They can simply not admit a defeat, but wants a rematch. They are even willing to blow them selves up in a suicide attack, to prove that their “allah” is powerful. But under now circumstance, should such a *******ization of mankind be accepted.

Unfortunately, the World love darkness, and take pleasure in their life of sin. The light that shines in the Middle East must be taken away. Because it is a bona fide proof that there is a God of Israel. He sent His Son to call people to repent or perish.

I know Him. He is the Messiah Yeshua, who people in the English speaking world call on as Jesus.

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Yes Steven, I agree with the article that Israel is a blessing even for the world. After Israel was founded in 1948, cars become common, computers even spring up, phone becomes natural, people travelling even faster than before. I asked my parents how about 50 years ago? They said, it was hard to travel, cars are uncommon, mostly travelling still by animals. Cars just become common transportation in many countries after 1960s, and even 1970s become much cheaper and affordable price in real term.

I found an article in Walid Shoebat foundation, an interesting one of how children in East Jerusalem learn to hate Jews and have dreams to shed their blood for Islam.

Friends:

Young children trained in Nazi-style hatred. A world that pressures Israel to make peace with or legitimize the Palestinian nationhood is evil.

Ironically, this school is located in East Jerusalem and is most likely at least partially funded by the Israeli government.


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World wants Israel to release top PLO terrorists
December 9, 2011
The World leaders tell Israel to use “opportunity” to release Fatah prisoners and build up Abbas’s stature on the Palestinian street.


Hamas-Hanyeh and PLO-Abbas scored a victory for 1037 criminals released from prison in exchange for one Israeli soldier.

550 prisoners, of Israel’s choosing, to be released in second stage of deal expected to take place December 18.

The government plans to release Palestinian petty criminals later this month to complete the Gilad Schalit prisoner exchange, not any high-profile Fatah security prisoners as a gesture to PA President Mahmoud Abbas, officials said on Wednesday.

Under the Egyptian-mediated prisoner swap in October that led to Schalit’s release, 477 “heavy” security prisoners and terrorists whose names were agreed upon by Israel and Hamas were released in the first stage of the deal. Another 550 prisoners, of Israel’s choosing, will be released in the second stage, expected to take place on December 18.

Numerous calls from world leaders have come into Jerusalem urging Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to use the opportunity to release Fatah prisoners and build up Abbas’s stature on the Palestinian street. Because of Abbas’s continued refusal to enter into direct talks with Israel – unless Jerusalem stops all construction beyond the Green Line – those entreaties are for the most part falling on deaf ears.

“We will release car thieves, not make any gestures to Abbas,” one government official said. He said that the list of prisoners to be released is being drawn up by the Justice Ministry, and will be approved by the Prime Minister’s Office.

Source: Jerusalem Post

My comment:

To let criminals out of prisons under pressure from criminals, is a horrible crime of injustice. The victims of crimes, can no longer trust that there is a system of justice that will be respected by the politicians.

Israel is no exception.

A man who rob me can smile at me, and laugh. Just like in Al Capone’s Chicago. Boldly he can tell me:

“In a month or two my brothers will kidnap a cop, and I will be released. But you will never get back what you have lost”.

When people loose respect for the law and order system, the crowed takes the law into their own hands.

What else to do?

Shall we just stand and watch when Islamic terrorists rape our daughters?

Jesus the Messiah told us to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us. I guess to love our enemies sometimes, very much, is to put Him behind bars, so He can get a chains to regret the crime He has committed. In prison he will get food and medical care as required.

To let criminals roam free, will be the opposite of love. Now He will go on a criminal rampage, because there is no consequence for doing pure satanic evil. The mafia, the mob, is now running the business of the Western World. Islamic terrorists tells the World leaders to jump, and they jump.

Israel is the last frontier of freedom and democracy. Israel is under heavy pressure. Please stand with Her.

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This article from fivedoves, the significance of blood red moon over Israel. Historically, war happens in just 1 to 7 days after this blood red moon. Very excited time in history to watch :

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/charles1210-3.htm

I have been feeling something major was going down all day just not what. Literally sick to my stomach the bittersweet feeling in the bible when John was told to swallow!

Well when I just about could not take anymore I asked God what was up because my heart felt like it was going to fail me.

This post on Rapture Ready ties in everything we have all been seeing! The USA and Canada made agreement today also in border security cooperation as well. When you see this and understand the profound implications of what it means and how few will notice or understand you must get this out!

I was curious what others had to say about this?
via Lisa Dennis-Sparks
I'm so excited, I'm about to jump right out of my skin!! I'm about to share something INCREDIBLE with you that God showed me this morning!!

I was looking at the article from Israel National News that describes the lunar eclipse that is coming over Israel this weekend. There are LOTS of lunar eclipses, but not like this one. This one is over Israel, is a full moon, falls on a sabbath, and happens right at sundown where EVERYONE in Israel will see it. It lasts for 26 minutes so they can't miss it.

I knew in my Spirit that God was trying to tell me something. Lunar eclipses foretell things about ISRAEL, and solar eclipses foretell things about other nations. So I go back and look up solar eclipses with these same characteristics and what I found is ASTOUNDING!!! This type of lunar eclipse has happen three previous times in the last 100 years. They happened in 1948, 1967, and 1973!! If you know your history, you know that these dates are all dates of every war Israel has fought since her birth in 1948!!! This eclipse is announcing another war - this time it's the Ezekiel 38/Psalms 83 war that we've been expecting to blow up anytime now. Every single one of these wars started ONE WEEK TO THE DAY after their corresponding eclipses. So, am I saying that this war is going to break out one week to the day after this eclipse happens this weekend?? Yes, I think that's what God is showing us.

Remember that these wars were ALL VERY SHORT. This one will be very short also. What's SO INCREDIBLE also is that the treaty that ends this war is the one that starts the tribulation period. WOW~~~!!!!

Any clue how close that puts us to the rapture? It's finally time to get excited!!!!

(Cafe Astrology reports on the solar eclipse and lunar eclipse: when they occur. ... Apr 23, 1948 8:28 AM Sun 3 Tau 18 Opposition Moon 3 Sco 18(LE) May 8, 1948 .... May 9, 1967 10:55 AM Sun 18 Tau 18 Conjunct Moon 18 Tau 18(SE) Oct 18 ... Jan 4, 1973 10:42 AM Sun 14 Cap 10 Conjunct Moon 14 Cap 10(SE) Jan 18 ...)

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Hanukkah Menorah White House Dec 8, 2011

I have been wondering, as many of you have, if there is any significance to the early celebration of Hanukkah at the White House on December 8, when, Hanukkah as we all know, does not officially begin until the evening of December 20. The official story is that it was held early as the President and his family will be traveling to Hawaii for their Christmas vacation on December 17, so, whether it was deliberate or merely for convenience sake, it really doesn’t matter, the fact, is, the President chose to change it regardless of the reason.

There have been a number of comments about the party held at the White House, some commenting on the fact, that all eight candles were lit, instead, of lighting one candle daily over the course of eight days, as is customary, until all eight have been lit. I thought that a little unusual, but, not all-together surprising given the fact, the event was hosted by someone with little regard for the actual meaning of the holiday.

What I did find unusual was the design of this particular Menorah. Normally, the servant candle from which all the other candles are lit stands in an elevated position above the others. In all fairness, it appears, that the servant candle on this one, juts out front, separating it from the others, but, this is not a typical design, for it makes it appear, at least in photos, that the servant candle is positioned lower than the others – an important detail, when, you understand that the servant candle represents Jesus, the light of the world, who, came as a servant and from whose light, all others (believers) are lit. It would be a rare Hanukkah Menorah that would not have the servant candle elevated above the others, a subtle, yet important difference. For a sample of what the typical Hanukkah Menorah looks like, click here: http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=911&bih=457&q=hanukkah+menorah&gbv=2&oq=hanukkah+menorah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l0l2601l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

After giving it some thought and for curiosity sake, I decided to see how many days there were between December 8 and the first day of Passover, 2012, which, is April 6 of this coming year and, using a date to date calculator, I found out there are exactly 120 days! Wow, 120 days! Now that got my attention!

We’ve all become familiar with the meaning of numbers in scripture and the number 120 is a particularly interesting one; according to Bullinger, it is made up of three forties, 3 x 40 =120, which, when applied to time signifies a divinely appointed period of probation, a divinely appointed number during a period of waiting.

It is also a factor in the number of the 144,000, who will be sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel, 144,000 being 12 x 1200. And, 10 x 12 =120. Twelve representing perfection in government, there, again, signifying a divine probationary period. http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The%20Significance%20of%20Numbers%20in%20Scripture.htm

The question, we might ask ourselves, then, is why, there appears to be a 120 day probationary period between December 8, 2011 and April 6, 2012; what purpose would this serve and and to whom, would it apply?

To answer that question, we need to look at the Feast of Dedication itself. Hanukkah, as most of us know, recognizes the historical event of the victory of the Maccabees over the Syrian King Antiochus Epiphanes, who, in 167 B.C erected an image of Zeus in the temple of God and sacrificed a pig on the altar. In cleansing and re-dedicating the temple, oil was needed to burn for 8 days, but, only a small amount of oil could be found; oil enough for one day only, but, miraculously, this small amount of oil burned for full 8 days - just long enough for new oil to be consecrated. Thus, the miracle of Hanukkah!

There is much symbolism to be gleaned from this event and it’s interesting, that only now, has the Feast of Dedication been looked upon as a strong contender for the rapture. Which, is kind of surprising, considering Jesus himself observed it (John 10:22) and spoke of it in reference to his second coming. In fact, Matthew 24: 15-22, seem to be an almost exact mirror of the previous events.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.


Amazing! When you think about it, it sounds as if Jesus is warning them (the Jewish people) that events preceding his second coming would be much like events that they were already very familiar with.

Therefore, we can surmise that the divinely appointed period of waiting (120 days) has everything to do with the Jewish people and not the Church. After all, it was not Gentiles that the party at the White House was held, but, Jewish constituents, for whom, the President likes to throw a bone every now and then. In other words, it was his change in date, that created the 120 days between Dec. 8 and Passover, therefore, the probationary or divinely appointed waiting period, has to do expressly with them and not with us.

Many of you are familiar with the work of Ron Reese, whose contention it is, that we are already in the midst of the week, which, he believes began in 2008. I like the work that he has done and find his work to be quite compelling. There are many things that can be argued, but, numbers are not one of them, for, like it or not, numbers are what they are. So, is he right? Are we indeed, in the midst of the week? Only time will tell.

Supposing he is right, the witnesses and the 144,000 would have to appear very soon to work within his 2008 – 2015 time frame. According to scripture, the witnesses will minister for 1260 days, so, based on this, I did a little date calculating to see if there was a possible fit, and, I found out, there is exactly 1260 days between the evening of April 1, 2012 (which, is Palm Sunday) and Rosh HaShannah, September 13, 2015. Which, if you subscribe to Ron’s theory makes sense, as the witnesses would have to appear before the revealing of the Anti-Christ, which, he says, will take place on April 11, 2012.

Dates and numbers aside, we know from Daniel 7:25, one of the things the Anti-Christ will do is change the set times and laws. So, what are the set times and laws? I believe, it is a reference to God’s appointed Feasts (Leviticus 23, including, Hanukkah and Purim) and, the law as given in the Torah. Therefore, observing Hanukkah on any other date than it’s actual date could perhaps fall in to this category, or may at least, serve as a foreshadowing for what lies ahead.

And, pressuring the world to accept practices, such as homosexuality, which are expressly forbidden in the Torah, could also represent an attempt to change the law; God’s law. Never forget, this is the President, who won the election on the promise of change – “change you can believe in”.

So, where does that leave us, the Church, if the next 120 days have to do specfically with Israel?

And, my answer would be – very close to the rapture! Oil has everything to do with the Holy Spirit and just as the light of the Menorah in the temple was never to be extinguished, but, to burn day and night, the oil that burns in us, also, will never be extingushed. For it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 -

“For the mystery of lawlessness is at work and will continue to do so, until he who restrains is taken out of the way”.

Brothers and sisters, it is the Holy Spirit present in each one of us that holds back this day. The closer we get, the less of a mystery it becomes, and, suddenly, once, we are gone, a mystery it will no longer be. Therefore, the closer we get to the day, the clearer we see, the clearer we see, the closer, we are to going home!

*Please keep in mind, all observations and opinions expressed here at Cindy By The Sea are for the purpose of study and discussion only and never constitute a”thus saith the Lord” unless quoting scripture.

“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper who love thee!” Psalm 122:6

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From Walid Shoebat foundation

Friends:

Great BBC documentary from the Panorama program earlier this year which exposes the reality on the ground concerning the Iranian repression of freedom.

The U.S. Media is very lacking in real investigative journalists.

At the moment the best that we have is Drew Griffin and Christiane Amanpour, what an embarrassment!


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/livingAyotallah.html

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Blessings on the event of Hanukkah
December 20, 2011
For the next six days, the Jewish World will celebrate Hanukkah. I will light candles, and pray that the Jews will embrace their Messiah.



Today is the start of the Jewish festival of lights. Let us bless our brothers and sisters.

In another five days, followers of Jesus will celebrate that their God and Master came in flesh. I will go into the Holiday modus, and honor Him.

There will be less articles on this blog in the following two weeks.

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Middle East Report you need to watch/Old Testament prophecy fulfilled before our eyes?



http://www.revelationtv.com Join Simon Barrett and guest for the Middle East Report.





Old Testament prophecy fulfilled before our eyes?

Americans scrambling to Bible to see previously untold parallels with today

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=379829

Daniel 2:41-43 tells us this last world empire which would be a revived Roman Empire will not cleave together. Signs the EU (Eurozone) may fall!






http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16134874


London - The image on the Turin Shroud could not be the work of medieval forgers but was instead caused by a supernatural “flash of light”, according to scientists. Italian scientists have found evidence that casts doubt on claims that the relic - said to be the burial cloth of Jesus - is a fake and they suggest that it could, after all, be authentic.

Sceptics have long argued that the shroud, a rectangular sheet measuring about 14ft by 3ft, is a forgery dating to medieval times.

Researchers from Italy’s National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development spent years trying to replicate the shroud’s markings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2077232/Scientist-deliberately-created-Armageddon-bird-flu-virus-lab-says-publish-details.html

The Second Commandment goes to the heart of our relationship with our Creator. What is the proper way to worship the only true God?

“You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.” Exodus 20:4-6

The Second Commandment goes to the heart of our relationship with our Creator. It deals with several crucial questions: How do we perceive God? How do we explain Him to ourselves and to others? Idols are representations of false, nonexistent gods but may we use pictures or other images that represent the true God? Above all, what is the proper way to worship the only true God?

Our Creator is a living God, not an inanimate statue, figurine or picture. To make any representation of Him distorts and limits our perception of what He is really like and so damages our relationship with Him. Of all things on earth or in the heavens, only living human beings realistically reflect a reasonable likeness of the living God. In the same way, as a human, Jesus Christ was in the image of His Father. Not only did God make humans in His image, He created us to become even more like Him. Being like God and developing His own character in us is what our existence is all about. That is why a clear understanding of the purpose of the Second Commandment is so important.

I am sure now that scientists are pointing to this as the cloth which was used to wrap Jesus many more people around the world will begin to worship it. I repeat the The Second Commandment and warn you do not worship this cloth!




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Hear, O Palestine

Oliver Cromwell lived in relative obscurity for much of his life, eventually emerging as an engine of religious liberty in England. He is one of the famous figures of history, and much has been written about the one-time farmer, born in the 16th century. English through-and-through.

No one has ever called him Cromwell the Swede. Or, Oliver of Mongolia.

No one has ever tried to claim that Alexander the Great was from Bolivia.

It would be absurd to allege that Cleopatra was Canadian.

So why are quite a few people—with a straight face—calling Jesus a Palestinian?

Of course, I do not mean that I’m comparing Cromwell or any of these other figures from history with the Son of God. Still, I am attempting to show the nuttiness of changing someone’s ethnic background, for some odd agenda.

That is what is going on with Jesus Christ. The Jesus of the Bible was thoroughly a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Bethlehem. They raised him in Nazareth. They went to the Temple in Jerusalem. Et cetera.

One of the most diabolical lies being circulated today is that “Jesus was a Palestinian.”

You know what Palestinians are, of course, at least thanks recently to Newt Gingrich. When answering a reporter’s question he simply said that there has never been a sovereign state of Palestine. This is an historical fact and is akin to saying Plano, Texas, is not a state in the Union.

Yet a growing number of folks are peddling the Jesus was a Palestinian whopper. Philip Yancey was doing it in the ‘90s. Christianity Today let him get away with it because the editorial board shares the same worldview.

Yasser Arafat said it, as does his Holocaust-denying successor, Mahmoud Abbas. Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said recently from Bethlehem that “"Christmas is an opportunity to celebrate the Palestinian identity of Jesus Christ," a clever lie from one who understands that many in the West are both gullible and uninformed.

In fact, Arafat used to tell people that Jesus was the first Palestinian martyr. This is not only a repulsive lie, but it is an attempt to distort true religion and history. Remember, Arafat used to tell America diplomats and presidents that the Temple never stood in Jerusalem.

The truly disturbing thing is that American evangelicals—or those who call themselves evangelicals—are helping perpetuate this lie. Again, Yancey thinks Jesus was a Palestinian rabbi.

Insane.

In the past six months, I have discovered more fully how deep this lie goes. It is quite disturbing and has far-reaching implications.

For many decades, mainline church types have sought to marginalize Israel and Jews, whether through wacky biblical “scholarship” or political maneuvering. Now it is the “evangelicals” who are leading the (false) charge.

I will be writing about this at length in the coming weeks, but I have recently dialogued with key people who are pro Palestinian, in the evangelical world.

Last week, I had a conversation by email with a man who is part of one of these organizations. He was taking Newt Gingrich to task for saying the Palestinians are an invented people (even key PLO leaders have said this).

This man was adamant that Gingrich is wrong; he supplied a detailed rundown of ancient history.

No one in his right mind would deny that the ancient Phoenicians lived in the region, or that the Arabs also come from the seed of Abraham. The key thing there is, who was the child of the promise? Scripture is crystal-clear that it was Isaac.

What is almost baffling to me is why serious people would claim that there was once a state of Palestine, or that the Palestinian Arabs are not in fact simply part of the pan-Arab nation. This is elementary. Yet proponents of the so-called Palestinian narrative are hell-bent on demanding that the Jews have hijacked a great, ancient, and thriving civilization called Palestine.

I am not arguing that there is an ethnic group that is a cousin of the Jews in the region, or even that there might one day exist a state of Palestine. I wouldn’t like it, but I wouldn’t deny reality.

Those who push the Palestinian narrative are rejecting reality. Such is the dislike of Jews and the Hebrew nature of the Bible that these people peddle outright falsehoods.

I even heard John MacArthur the other day on radio repeatedly refer to the geography of Jesus as “Palestine.” I don’t know why he would do that.

My email correspondent arrogantly appealed to me to get on the “right side of history” and embrace these delusions. His nastiness when discussing Zionism was/is disturbing. He told me that I don’t care about the people of Palestine.

Let me tell you something: if you want to stand up for Israel in the coming months and years, you’d better have your big-boy pants on. Rather, you’d better have the full armor of God. Because you are going to encounter people who will deny reality and call you crazy in the process. We are living, my friends, in a time when inversion of the truth is normal and pervasive.

This Christmas, I am celebrating with appreciation the fact that a Jewish savior entered the world 2,000 years ago and grew up in Israel. He is a Jew now, and will one day reign from Jerusalem, the city of His forefathers. He was born in Bethlehem, to a Jewish carpenter and his Jewish wife.

He offered Himself as the only acceptable sacrifice, on a Roman cross.

His heritage, time on Earth, and ministry are rooted in reality and real history.

The question is, do enough people care?

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From Walid Shoebat foundation:

"Ron Paul is ANTI ISRAEL" be careful ...

Friends:

When politicians on either side of the political spectrum undermine or speak against Israel we will be there to expose them. Ron Paul in recent statements has shown his animus to Israel and sided with the Palestinian cause. Here is a video of an interview with Iranian media, judge for yourself and if you believe in Genesis 12:3 before casting your vote in the primary elections; Ron Paul should be at he bottom of your list.

The argument that Israel is provided with too much US aid is a false canard. Israel provides the US with as much or more economic opportunities. Israel provides tremendous research to the US economy in the areas of computer technology, communication technology, medicine, pharmacology, agricultural science as well as military technology. The drone technology is mostly from Israeli scientists. Further, the cost of Israeli brain power is a fraction of what it costs for US salaries for similar scientists and engineers. Israel also has many companies who have set up industries in the USA based on many of the technologies we use in our daily lives employing hundreds of thousands of Americans. How many Arab companies have set up in the USA employing Americans? So Israel has a profound positive economic impact on our country and all the Arabs do is hold us hostage with the price of oil.

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Year in Review for Walid Shoebat Foundation

First let me thank our supporters for their generous support both with the many donations and supportive emails.

Our major successes this year has been the starting of our Rescue Christians division which was set up originally by accident when a Christian family came to us needing help concerning the blasphemy laws in Pakistan. We now work with a heroic group of people called World Vision who specialize in working among the persecuted in Pakistan. They intervene in forced conversions, provide the setting up of safe houses and support for the people who suffer from the persecution under the blasphemy laws. We provide the financial ability for them to do their work and we send each month directly to the families we are helping through your generosity. We are now helping seven families directly with a total of 13 families being supported by World Vision ministries and us. There are over three hundred families that require assistance so much more is needed and we hope to expand operations as our donor base grows in 2012. We would greatly appreciate if more of you would consider a small m
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donation. If we can multiply a thousand small donations a month we can multiply our help ten fold.

We have done much work on the Internet, which we call the invisible reach. Based on Google analytics our web site has been viewed in two hundred countries with only four countries we know, have never viewed our web site. We receive over 60,000 unique visitors a month and 120,000 page views with nearly 50% of unique visits are from new people never been on our web site. We hope to extend and grow our reach on the Internet in 2012.
One sad piece of news is that the slanderous CNN report which aired last July, which was done in collusion with CAIR has affected invitations to churches. We know that many people in the Christian community have had doubts sown in their minds. We hope to counter this soon and in 2012 we should have news concerning this issue. We have on our web site a video http://www.shoebat.com/videos/cnnWalid.php, which you can use to help, in order counter this slander and please use it if you come across people who believe what CNN concocted against us. In some ways the CNN report was a badge of honor as it proves that what we are doing is effective and the only way to attack Walid is to attack his credibility because they cannot attack his message, as what he says is true. We know also that Walid is regarded in the Arab world as the foremost Arab “islamaphobe” and he is mentioned on a multitude of Arab News web sites. Walid has proven to be the greatest thorn in their side. It is
No
wonder CAIR is gunning for him by using their allies like CNN. They may have won a small victory on CNN but they will not win the war.

We still have no problem doing talk radio, even prior to the CNN slander we were not getting FOX or other Secular TV to invite Walid to comment; that market has at least been temporarily shut. We know that FOX has been bought off by The Saudi Prince Al Aweed, as well as given in to intimidation from CAIR.

The fight for the freedom of America and the West is now only in the hands of us Islamaphobes” and We the people. Our leaders still are afraid to stand up and many are being deceived or colluding with the enemy.
We will fight on for we have no choice, we will continue to speak out and expose the agenda of the Islamic supremacists.

We appreciate all those who fight with us and support us in this struggle against the forces of darkness.

We wish all of you a Blessed New Year.

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Misguided Jews have started to terrorize Jews
January 5, 2012
Guards thwart ‘price tag’ attack at Knesset.


We need to pray for the government in Israel. That they will not betray the Messiah, and surrender their Zionist convictions.

Suspect wanted for involvement in previous attacks prevented from entering Knesset; 2 Arab cars burned in J’lem.

After more than a week of quiet from right-wing attacks, Jerusalem experienced one price tag attack against Arab property and an attempted attack against the Knesset on Wednesday. Two cars were burned in the Arab neighborhood of Sharafat, a small neighborhood located north of Gilo near Beit Safafa.

Next to the burned vehicles, police found graffiti with the words “price tag” and “revenge.” Police opened an investigation into the incident.

On Wednesday afternoon, Knesset Guards thwarted an attempted “price tag” attack on the Knesset.

Police had briefed the Knesset Guards about the suspect, who had a warrant out for his arrest for his involvement in previous “price tag” attacks. The suspect requested to enter the Knesset, but security forces detained the man and he was transferred to police custody.



There was civil war in ancent Israel. The political and religious divide in Israel has reached the boiling point.
Meanwhile, three right-wing activists arrested last month in Jerusalem on suspicion of illegally carrying out surveillance on security forces in the West Bank will be charged in the coming days, police said.

Source: Jerusalem Post

My comment:

The external pressure on Israel has now been going on for 64 years. The evil forces of darkness have recently been able to disrupt the unity in the Jewish camp.

The Zionist state of Israel is under attack from all sides. Anti-Zionist Jews in the USA have become very vocal, accusing their brethren in Israel for being an obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Anti-Zionist “Jews” are now using the “religious extremist” tag on all Zionists.

Zionist Jews have lost their patience with Jews who are willing to betray their own heritage and homeland. The most angry individuals in this camp, has started the “price tag” movement. The attacks on the IDF bases, and even the Knesset, is a suicidal move. Nothing good can come out of this.

Jesus the Messiah predicted horrible times in Zion, just before His return. The Jewish nation is approaching its darkest hours.


Luke 21:23
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.

Please stand with Zionists in Israel, and in particular Messianic Jews who proclaim the gospel. True Jews will continue to fight for their right to live in peace in the land of their forefathers. True Christians will be their last defenders and supporters.

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All big media propaganda against Israel either by CNN, ABC, CNBC or others is a LIE. Israel is NOT an apartheid state.

Walid Shoebat foundation explain this even further that Israel IS NOT AN APARTHEID STATE.

Friends

This video shows the real Israel that the liberal CAIR paid off intimidated dhimmi media chooses to ignore.

People should also know that Israel was the first nation to take in the Vietnamese boat people in the 1970s.


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/eritreanRefugees.html

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As I listened to Begley, someting coming up on the surface:

1. Judgment upon Russia is near, YHWH will use this moment to put judgement upon Russia, as what Russia plans to hit Jerusalem, YHWH will crush Russia to the ground. Where is your mighty warriors, Where is your boastful mouth, for in the event you arouse to take my inheritance, you will be crushed, you will be ashamed, you are nothing, listen and repent so you won't be strucked or otherwise, your place is found nothing...

2. For Russia's evil plan upon Israel, God YHWH will set Russia on blaze and surely as heaven on earth, God YHWH will strike you hard really hard for you to know that YHWH is the God of Israel and Yahshua is His Savior.

May the people of Russia read this ...

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Bible studies: # 26: The Jewish people will soon face the last false and the true Messiah
January 8, 2012
The Jewish people have been gathered home to Israel. They will soon face both the last antichrist and the true Messiah.



Waiting for the Messiah. Running the danger of being decived by the last Antichrist

The Jews are back home in Israel to face the end game on planet Earth. Jerusalem is the city that God of the Bible chose to be His dwelling place. Here the final battle will take place between antichrist and the true Messiah.

The Jews are loved by God and His Messiah. Not because they are many, powerful or righteous. They are loved for the sake of the patriarchs.

The Jewish Apostle Paul explains this to us:

Romans 11:28
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.

That they have become enemies of the gospel, does not change the love that Jesus the Messiah have for them. The prophet Ezekiel explains that God of the Bible has gathered his people home, because of His Holy name, and purposes.

Ezekiel 36:22
«Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone».

Ezekiel 36:32
«I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel».
The Messiah will forever stand with the promise His Father gave through the prophet Jeremiah. The Bible says that only when the Sun and the Moon disappear, the nation of Israel shall cease to exist.

Jeremiah 31:35-36

35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name:

36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the LORD,
“will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me.”

God has chosen Jerusalem, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel as His tools. The Devil has always been a copy-cat. To keep the Jews away from their Messiah, angles of Satan has bombarded the Jews with with copy-cat Jesus”es and other false Messiah`s.



The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is the site for the final battle of the Messiah.
There have been times when the Jews have been prosecuted and killed in the name of Jesus.

On such cross roads in history, it has always been followers of a copy-cat Messiah who have done these criminal acts.

The last days false peace makers in the Middle East will also promote peace in the name of a false «Messiah», the last antichrist.

This last false Messiah will set Him self up in the Temple Mount, and claim to be God. In this darkest hour of the Jewish nation, Jesus of Nazareth will return.

He will kill the false Messiah and save the Jews out of the final trap.

This is the truth.

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There is NO LAND FOR PEACE and this is supported even by Yasser Arafat the late PLO chief.

From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Friends

The famous words in Johannesburg in 1994 comparing the Oslo agreement to Hudabiya. And here the second video mentions about Hudabiya as well, in 1995.

It is time that the leaders of the West as well as the Jewish and Christian leaders stop the nonsense of a "peace process" and declare the deception of the Arabs and allow Israel to annex the West Bank and affirm that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of the Jewish State of Israel.


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There is NO LAND FOR PEACE and this is supported even by Yasser Arafat the late PLO chief.

From Walid Shoebat foundation:

Friends

The famous words in Johannesburg in 1994 comparing the Oslo agreement to Hudabiya. And here the second video mentions about Hudabiya as well, in 1995.

It is time that the leaders of the West as well as the Jewish and Christian leaders stop the nonsense of a "peace process" and declare the deception of the Arabs and allow Israel to annex the West Bank and affirm that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of the Jewish State of Israel.


http://www.shoebat.com/videos/land4peace.html


Arafat told us about the Land for Peace Hoax (1/2)




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A Cup of Trembling: 01/09/12


Gary reviews recent declarations regarding Jerusalem. He also looks at the continuing war games in the Persian Gulf.






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Circle of “Friends”

When I attended a pro Palestinian conference in Fremont, California, recently, Porter Speakman Jr. (director of With God on Our Side) and Tom Getman took exception to my statement that one of the major problems in the Arab-Israeli conflict is Arab rejectionism: Israel’s right to exist is not recognized.

Speakman and Getman countered with the peace treaties signed with Jordan and Egypt (ah, we long for those halcyon days); they wouldn’t concede that the pan Arab nation rejects Israel outright. Of course, those treaties with Egypt and Jordan are in a precarious position.

Overall, Arab rejectionism is pervasive and has been documented for decades. It is not only the official policy of Arab countries; it is a hallmark of individual lives, bent from years of anti-Israel and anti-Jewish education.

But to get perhaps a more sinister view of this threat to Israel, let’s look at the present situation in the region, still fluid given the “Arab Spring.”

Since Israel pulled out of its buffer zone in Lebanon in 1999, Hezbollah has been stockpiling weapons and upgrading training. It was recently estimated that in just a few more years, the terror group will have 15,000 rockets. The stockpiles of same in Gaza (and the Sinai, where Al Qaida is now present) represent a lethal threat to Israel from the north and the south.

Let us now turn to the east.

Obama’s tragic and reckless decision to pull all American troops out of Iraq ensures that that dreadful country will become a major terror base in the near future. The realities on the ground also show the linkage between Iraq and her neighbors, all of whom loathe the Jewish state.

The threat also extends far beyond the region, since the principle backer, Iran, exports terror all over the world.

Witness the case of one Ali Musa Daqduq, a Lebanese Shi’ite, a key member of Hezbollah since 1983 (the date should mean something to you, since Hezbollah carried out the attack on Marine barracks in Beirut that year, killing 241 Americans. Ronald Reagan pulled troops out after that).

In 2007, Daqduq was captured, by coalition forces, after taking part in an operation in Iraq that killed five American soldiers. The attack took place at the Karbala Joint Provincial Coordinating Center. Daqduq was captured two months later and had been held ever since by the Americans. With the pullout, Daqduq was turned over to the Iraqis and the Obama administration “sought assurances” that he would be tried. How many of you think that will happen?

Daqduq is probably already on his way back to the front lines, since he has been trained by the Iranian Quds Force.

Notice the linkage here.

This senior Hezbollah operative, Lebanese and an arch terrorist for at least 30 years, has been trained by the Iranians and shuttled to and from battlefronts by the Syrians and Lebanese.

A major combat operative for years in Iraq, he represents a wide-ranging network that will, in the near future, pose a grave threat not only to Israeli but also to American and other Western interests.

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Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.

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Shekinah Glory And Israel's Mastery Of The Middle East




ISRAEL TO RECAPTURE THE CITY OF JERUSALEM EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION ENDS! But first let’s understand the unquestionable right of Israel to their land and their Capitol of Jerusalem. It is set in the infallible Scripture that the Throne of David will be occupied by Jesus Christ during the Millennium and Israel will possess the entire land promised to Abraham. This will not occur because of Israel’s Military prowess but by the intervention of God’s Shekinah. Zechariah gave us this prophecy by an Angel from God. “And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory (SHEKINAH) in the midst of her.”(Zechariah 2:4-5) Jehovah God will guarantee Israel’s perfect mastery of the Middle East.

The Children of Israel will yet suffer their darkest hour called “Jacob’s Trouble! The noose around Israel political neck will continue to tighten until she is forced to sign an agreement or covenant with an emerging “One World Order.” Many dark scenarios will be orchestrated to increase tension toward Israel and to reduce the emphasis on their enemies spread all over the Middle East As the pressure mounts, Israel will be more and more hard pressed to make every form of compromise. Her concessions and compromises will eventually be a covenant with the new One World Leaders and the emerging Antichrist.
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Most of Israel’s political figures are liberals that have no sense of the Jewish future or the Biblical hope. Many of them believe in the internationalization of this Capital city of Jerusalem. There is little awareness of Biblical fulfillment to these Jewish leaders. Benjamin Natanyahu may be an exception. To most of their leaders a covenant of peace will be to them a small price to pay for harmony with the world. A climate is presently developing that will make this covenant between Israel and the man who will emerge as Antichrist seem necessary. Watch for peace talks between Israel’s government and other political forces as we move toward a One World Government or New World Order. It must happen to fulfill the Word of God.

The Abomination of Desolation! Israel’s darkest hour of all her sufferings is ready to unfold. The Tribulation Period of seven years will begin at the appropriate time of the covenant mentioned above. After three and one-half years of uneasy cooperation between the Jewish State and the One World Builders, the agreement between them will fall apart. That’s when the Antichrist breaks the covenant by entering the Jewish Worship Center and erecting an image to himself. Jesus spoke of this and described the horror of this dark hour, “When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woes unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath Day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:15-22).

This event was foretold by Daniel with the following words, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…” (Daniel 9:27a). Jeremiah added a significant description to this period, “And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” (Jeremiah 30:4-7).

When the Antichrist invades Jerusalem in the middle of the seven-year tribulation period and erects his image in the temple, the Jews will flee Jerusalem for the last time.
They will hasten to the wilderness of Moab, Amman, and Edom, where they will find refuge from their pursuers. The chosen people will find friends to shelter and protect them. Isaiah said, “Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela (The Greek name Petra—rock—probably replaced the Biblical name, Sela. [ Britannica Encyclopedia 9:339, 2b ]) to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion… Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler…” ( Isaiah 16:1-4a ). (Read a recent new article on “The Abomination of Desolation” Order Booklet no. 615 )

This prophecy affirms that the Jewish inheritance of Israel will be protected from the “Man of Sin” by the Moabites or present day Jordanians. The Ammonites are also modern Jordanians and will share in being what Isaiah calls “coverts” or“a covering for the Jewish inhabitants.” The land of Edom is also mentioned in this wilderness experience. Edom is the land of Esau and is presently located in areas controlled by either Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Some Edomites will share in protecting Israel, while others will betray them.

Saved From the Antichrist! Because these Arab nations (descendants of Lot and Esau) befriended Israel in this dark hour, God keeps His promise to “bless those that bless Jerusalem.” Nothing escapes the omniscience of the Almighty. Daniel has already prophesied the protection, “He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon” (Daniel 11:41-42). By some miraculous event this ruthless One World Leader will be diverted from crossing over Jordan and the geographical line South of Jordan into the wilderness immediately east. The Jews, who obey the Torah and prophets and flee as God has spoken, will be protected. The rest of Israel will be viciously slain.

Two Thirds of All Jews Will Be Killed! The Prophet Zechariah has established what happens to both the two-thirds who are slain and the one-third who are delivered, “And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on My name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God” ( Zechariah 13:8-9 ). This wilderness experience will break their stubbornness and haughty spirit and open their heart to the Messiah Jesus Christ. The census on the Jewish Web says there are 13,295,100 Jews in the world. (Jewish Information Census, Internet). That means approximately 8,864.000 Jews will be slaughtered and 4,432,000 will be ready to help establish the Kingdom of David.. The 144,000 of the twelve tribes sealed in Revelation chapter seven will be evangelists to the Israeli nation and the world’s Jewish population. These ministries will prepare their hearts for the Messiah.

Temple in Jerusalem to Be Cleansed Before the End of the Great Tribulation! One of the most thrilling things I have ever discovered is the cleansing of the temple in Jerusalem. It will actually happen about eight and one-half months before the Battle of Armageddon as the Jews begin their heart-felt humility and repentance. God, the Holy Spirit, will be getting them ready to be converted and cleansed in one day. Daniel told the story of this happening, “Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (Daniel 8:11-14). Again, the Antichrist will be so occupied with his own troubles and the judgment of God falling on his head that he will not have time to maintain his hold on Jerusalem.

The two thousand and three hundred days include the first three and one-half years of daily sacrifices following the covenant with the “Imposter.” Part of the seven-year covenant will be to return the Temple Mount to the Jews as their Holy Place. During the next two years and nine and one-half months, the sanctuary will be trodden under foot by the “Prince of the Host” (verse 11) or this “Imposter” probably presenting himself as the High Priest. During the last eight and one-half months, the city of Jerusalem will be recaptured and the temple returned to Jewish control. When the first three and one-half years or 1,278 days are subtracted from 2,300 (Daniel 8:14), it leaves 1,022 days or two years and approximately nine and one-half months. That leaves approximately eight and one-half months to complete the last three and one-half years. The Holy Scripture never misses a detail. Every jot and tittle will be fulfilled.

Just exactly like Jesus promised the days will be shortened for the elect, but not for the rest of the world. “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:22). While the Antichrist directs his New World Order from Jerusalem, he will actually seek out every Jewish individual for death and will destroy over 8,000,000 of them. The Father will halt him before all the people of Jewish decent have been slain.

Jesus Returns to Defeat the Antichrist and His Multitude! While the temple is being cleansed and the Jewish peoples are preparing for the returning Messiah, the Antichrist will be marshaling for the death blow against Jerusalem called Armageddon. He will be angry to the point of insanity due to the loss of Jerusalem and the re instituting of Jewish worship in the Holy Place. His immense army will gather in Megiddo and prepare for the deathblow, once and for all, of the State of Israel, Jerusalem, and every Jewish individual left. That’s when the fury of God flies in His face. “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army” (Revelation 19:11-19).

According to Zechariah, the battle will reach the city of Jerusalem, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah King of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light” (Zechariah 14:1-7).

All Israel To Be Cleansed and Saved! When the King of Kings, riding His white stallion, has vanquished the army of this madman, He will immediately appear to the Jewish throng in Moab, Ammon, and Edom. They will actually see and hear the pleading of their Messiah as He invites them to faith in Himself. Isaiah describes this breathtaking moment, “Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come” (Isaiah 63:1-4). We are discussing one of the most furious, destructive battles of human history. The Lord Himself will actually participate in combat as He trods the winepress of the wrath of God.

Then he proceeds to the Eastern Gate of the Holy City clothed in His blood stained apparel. Already the masons are removing the stones that have barred that entrance to the Temple Mount for centuries while awaiting this Prince of Peace. In one day all Israel will be converted to the Lord Jesus Christ and the land will be cleansed of all it’s defilement. Zechariah said, “For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree” (Zechariah 3:9-10). Apostle Paul left no doubt in his inspiration by the Holy Spirit, “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins” (Romans 11:25-27).

The Children of Abraham will finally prepare for their glorious kingdom. The borders of Israel will reach from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River. Every square inch promised to the Father of Faith will be the inheritance of these Believing Sons and Daughters of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God promised, “Thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies”. (Genesis 22:17b).

The Babylonians (Iraqis) will serve Israel, as will other nations, who have made slaves of the Jewish people. The land of promise will be a Garden of Eden and produce abundantly. Arid deserts will become as gardens and no man will lack for plenty. The Middle East is the Cradle of Civilization and will be the center of a Worldwide Theocracy ruled by the virgin born heir of David. Jesus will set up the kingdom of which He told His disciples in answer to their question, Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power” (Acts 1:6b & 7). The time will have come!

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Iranian Plans Going Up In Smoke

Those who have been expecting a big, splashy, dangerous Israeli airstrike on Iranian nuclear facilities…may never see it.

This past week’s killing of key Iranian nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, 32, is one of a quiet number of such assassinations. Ahmadi-Roshan was killed when a pair of motorcyclists attached a magnetic car bomb on the underside of his car, then sped away.

The Iranians have accused both the U.S. and Israel of being involved, and there was a telling bit in the Jerusalem Post on Thursday:

“Iranian officials implicated Israel and the US in the attack, but the US denied the charges.”

Notice the sentence didn’t end with: “…but the US and Israel denied the charges.”

Most thinking people realize the Israelis might be involved. Their feared Mossad boasts an elite team of assassins who strike without warning, then seemingly vaporize.

The sudden death of a major figure in Iran’s race for nuclear weapons comes in the middle of negotiations in Jordan between Israelis and Palestinians, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Barack Obama also discussed the situation by phone.

Everyone understands the tremendous danger that Iran poses not only to the region, but globally, since they are the world’s biggest sponsor of state terrorism. Further in the JPost report, we read:

“An senior Iranian security official warned that Iran had a cross-border, cross-regional strategy for responding to the attack.”

Normally, when an Islamic state or terror group threatens to “burn the sand under the feet of the invaders,” they are merely playing up the stereotype of the emotional dictator who is more paper tiger than angel of death.

Yet, the Iranians do have the capacity to wage war in the form of these “cross regional” strategies. And were they able to succeed in striking Israel, the latter is too small to absorb such a lethal blow.

In 1950, the United States had 299 warheads. By 1987, we had accumulated a peak of 13,173 (the Soviets had 10,442)! What became known as M.A.D.—Mutual Assured Destruction—was the key in neither country striking. They were rational. And, if various accounts can be believed, Bobby Kennedy’s whisper into the ear of his Soviet counterpart—an appeal to reason—worked.

This scenario doesn’t exist with the Iranians. In a German report that appeared several years ago, the situation was described perfectly:

“The Arab/Iranian totalitarian leaderships’ attitudes, difficult for the West to fathom, are aggressive, egomaniacal, suspicious and reckless no less than intelligent.”

In other words, the Iranians are truly trigger-happy.

In the ‘60s, the Egyptian air force murdered scores of people in Yemen, using mustard gas. In 1982, Syria’s dictator, Hafez Assad, ordered his troops to obliterate the city of Homs, using cyanide.

Middle East dictators have never had the opportunity to murder on a really large scale; can you imagine what would happen if they get their hands on a lethal weapon?

In 1984, Iran began development of its chemical weapons program and two years later, in the middle of a bitter war with Iraq, used cyanide, phosgene, mustard gas, and tabun on the Iraqis. The delivery systems were artillery shells, air-dropped bombs, and rockets.

The biological weapons program began also in 1986—botulinum, ricin, anthrax.

Most would be stunned to know that Iran’s nuclear program, modest though it was, began in the 1950’s, under the leadership of…the United States! This program continued with U.S. assistance until the Iranian Revolution of 1979. The first Iranian nuclear power plant—Bushehr I— opened on September 12, 2011. This time the Russians helped.

In the book, Ballistic Missiles (edited by Arieh Stav), contributing writer Yoash Tsiddon-Chatto wrote:

“Whether peace or other treaties are signed or not, war will erupt and missiles will be launched at the first sign of Israeli weakness, whenever the huge price to be paid is considered acceptable by the Arab leadership.”

This is a key sentence. Whenever…considered acceptable. The dictators of the Middle East will launch an attack on Israel (or, perhaps more likely, each other) at the moment they feel they will not pay too high a price within the international community.

They are getting closer, and every week that brings more weak messages from Washington makes all of us more vulnerable. The Iranians are not only working on missiles to obliterate Israel; they are developing plans to strike the U.S.

Let us hope the motorcycles keep running.

jim@prophecymatters.com




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Root of conflict is refusal to accept Jewish state
January 19, 2012
Addressing Jewish community in Holland, Netanyahu calls on Abbas to not walk away from peace.



Benjamin Netanyahu speaks the truth, but few are willing to listen.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu reiterated on Wednesday that the root cause of the Israeli Palestinian conflict is “the persistent (Palestinian) refusal to accept a Jewish state within any boundaries.”

Speaking at a synagogue in the Netherlands during a visit to the country, the prime minister recalled that Israel places no preconditions on the start of negotiations. But, he added,

“We cannot end the negotiations until we start them.”

The synagogue, which survived the Nazi invasion in 1940 unscathed, was built in 1671-1675 and at the time it was the largest synagogue in the world. There is no electricity in the building which is lit, instead, by 613 candles.

Source: Jerusalem Post

My comment:

It is an insanity by it self to “negotiate” with some one who are not even willing to except that you exist.

For Israel, such negotiations will be the very bid to commit national suicidal.

The International community who push the Jewish community into such negotiations, are doing the devils work. The Jews had no choice in Nazi-Germany, when they walked into camps with signboards like “Work will make you free”.

The Jews looks for a way to explain that there are “Auswitch lines” the Jewish people can not cross over. But like in the 1930-ties there are few in the Western World who are willing to listen.

Isaiah 2:3
Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Please listen to Benjamin Netanyahu. Please stand up for the Jewish peoples right to live in peace on the mountains of Zion, and in a united and liberated Jerusalem. I pray that the Prime Minster of Israel will face the Holy Spirit, and bow before Yeshua the Messiah. Amen.

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Epic Fail

I am continually amazed by the inroads anti-Israel evangelicals are making in the Church—and equally amazed that so many people don’t realize it yet.

In March, the so-called “Christ at the Checkpoint” conference will be held in Bethlehem, hosted by Bethlehem Bible College, but featuring speakers from America. There are the usual suspects: Tony Campolo, Gary Burge, Stephen Sizer, Lynne Hybels, etc. But there is a more expanded, eye-opening list:

•Bob Roberts, pastor of NorthWood Church, Keller, Texas

•Joel Hunter, pastor of Northland, A Church Revisited,

•John Ortberg, pastor of Menlo Park Presbyterian Church, Menlo Park, California

•Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference

•Darrell Bock, professor, Dallas Theological Seminary

These are not people without influence. The Palestinians are making a move to internationalize Christian condemnation of Israel, and “Christ at the Checkpoint” (can you imagine a conservative group getting away with such a noxious, political label? The politicizing of Jesus Christ, by left-wing groups, should be roundly condemned, but don’t hold you breath) will feature both Hispanic and Asian speakers, as well as known anti-Zionists from Europe.

Louis Lapides recently wrote the following on his “Thinking Outside the Blog”:

I ask you to be the judge of whether Reverend Sizer, who appears at almost every Palestinian Christian conference, is an anti-Semite. Based on the company he keeps and the authorities he quotes, I have good reason to tag this Christian pastor as both anti-Israel and an anti-Semite whose writings help fuel the enmity of Israel's enemies against the Jewish nation.

You see, here is a key point. Sizer, perhaps the most aggressive critic of Christian Zionism in the world, goes to great lengths to portray himself as not anti-Semitic. Yet Lapides understands the implications of Sizer’s work: it fuels “the enmity of Israel’s enemies against the Jewish nation.”

If you talk with Palestinian terrorists—as I have—and ask them what they think of changing American Christian attitudes toward Israel, they are well aware of many of the people I cite in this edition of “Israel Watch.” They know who their friends are.

A few days ago, prominent writer/activist/speaker Brian McLaren favorably cited a Christian Post blog by George W. Sarris, entitled: “Jacob I Loved—Esau I Hated.”

Now here is where the pro Palestinian propaganda gets really juicy, and I want you to see this. The old Palestinian leadership was schooled in propaganda by the Soviets and their friends in eastern Europe and southeast Asia, and they in turn have fed it to liberal Americans like cotton candy is fed to a seven-year-old.

Sarris writes about whether God shows favoritism, specifically to different people groups (you see, McLaren and Sarris and their friends want to discuss the issue of whether God “favors” the Jews over the Palestinians. It’s an effective way of portraying Israel in a bad light, yet again).

I want you to take note of a paragraph in Sarris’s blog:

“While Scripture specifically says in several places that God is fair and impartial, and encourages us to act in like manner toward our fellow man, our traditional understanding of how God deals with mankind would have us believe that He definitely shows favoritism.”

Wow, let’s get to it!

Do you see what he’s doing?

Sarris cleverly places himself (and, by extension, his liberal friends like McLaren and the Palestinians) on the side of Scripture. Where does that leave us idiot Christian Zionists? Now, get this: on the side of “our traditional understanding.”

In other words, we made it up. We allowed our feelings and traditions and biases to favor Israel over the poor, beaten-down, gigantic, pan-Arab nation.

Sarris, though, well, he’ll stick with Scripture. He wants you to believe that God never intended to “give” Palestinian land to the Jews. He doesn’t show favoritism.

(As an interesting aside, Sarris’s bio tells us that he has a Master of Divinity from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary—where he was no doubt schooled in anti-Israel thought. He is also “the narrator for the 2011 revision of The Holy Bible, New International Version by Zondervan Publishing House.” A “revision” of the Bible!)

It’s that rabble-rousing, anti-intellectual—plain mean—Christian Zionists who are helping oppress the Palestinians.

But Sarris and Friends are on the side of Scripture, that is, they are on the right side of History.

So they brag.

It is clear from Scripture that God gave the land in question to the descendants of Jacob. He also promised to make a great nation from Esau and so He has: the Arabs are huge in numbers and land area in the Middle East.

People today have a problem with “a” God that would “show favoritism.” Yet he most certainly does, as He wills it. God is sovereign and so He does what He wants, when He wants.

The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people for all time. But even in this, God explained why He did it, such as in Ezekiel 34:25-31:

“‘I will make a covenant of peace with them and rid the land of savage beasts so that they may live in the wilderness and sleep in the forests in safety. I will make them and the places surrounding my hill a blessing. I will send down showers in season; there will be showers of blessing. The trees will yield their fruit and the ground will yield its crops; the people will be secure in their land. They will know that I am the LORD, when I break the bars of their yoke and rescue them from the hands of those who enslaved them. They will no longer be plundered by the nations, nor will wild animals devour them. They will live in safety, and no one will make them afraid. I will provide for them a land renowned for its crops, and they will no longer be victims of famine in the land or bear the scorn of the nations. Then they will know that I, the LORD their God, am with them and that they, the Israelites, are my people, declares the Sovereign LORD. You are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, and I am your God, declares the Sovereign LORD.’”

Further, in Ezekiel 36, the Lord has this to say:

“Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.’”

Don’t you see? This is the biggest story of the last 2,000 years. God has rescued His people from their exile and has returned them to their ancestral land. This is a feat of unequaled detail, an act so visible and so aggressively reactionary to the will of hard-hearted humans that one wonders why it isn’t talked about 24/7, by news outlets around the world.

In time.

Why do the Sizers of the world not see? As an exercise, read the 36th chapter of Ezekiel and see if this does not make elementary sense to you. It’s language, in plain form. It’s a straightforward story of the Jewish people, and why God does what He does where they are concerned.

But the clever writers and honey worded speakers and activists of our day are certain that God does not play favorites.

They are wrong and wrong for all-time. In the words of today’s young people, those who oppose the Jews are “epic fail.”

It is time pro Israel Christians recognize the left’s bias, and the propaganda techniques in their communications. When someone who appears to have some authority says something dumb and dangerous, us Christian Zionists don’t have to hide under a table.

The time of the Lord’s favor for the Jewish people is in full swing. Let us rejoice and be glad in it.



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Israeli official: Obama’s presidency has harmed Israel
January 25, 2012
Former Israeli Ambassador to the UN Dan Gillerman firmly stated last week that Barack Obama’s time in the White House has caused great harm to Israel.


Former Israel Ambassador to the UN Dan Gillerman.

At a time when libelous accusations and efforts to delegitimize Israel are peaking, Obama’s “weakness” has meant that “Israel has to keep apologizing for itself all the time,” Gillerman said during a panel discussion at the annual Women’s International Zionist Organization (WIZO) conference in Tel Aviv.

“We shouldn’t have to be on the defensive,” Gillerman added.

Gillerman went on to note that the ongoing turmoil and regime changes in the Middle East were all the more reason to replace Obama with a stronger president in the upcoming US presidential election.

Israeli officials have been critical of Obama’s response and approach to the takeover by forces such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which they have labeled as everything from lackadaisical to appeasing.

Obama has been far more unpopular with average Israelis than any US president before him.

Most Israelis believe Obama wants them to take unreasonable risks for peace with the Palestinians, and that in the event of a major attack on Israel, Obama would abandon the US commitment to defend the Jewish state.

Source: Israel Today

My comment:

Since the speech of Obama in Cairo, it has been obvious that the heart of President Barack Hussein Obama is with Islam.

The state of Israel is now the secondary object of support for Washington. It is more important that the “Arab Spring” is contained, to still permit oil to be exported from the Middle East.

The money power of Washington must be used to convince the Muslim Brotherhood to permit the military forces of Egypt to protect American interests. The Sunni Saudi Arabian domain must not be challenged.

Israel is basically a hair in the soup, that must be removed. Because as long as there is no “Palestinian statehood”, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hizb”Allah will continue to grow. And the American purse is no longer deep enough to contain the ongoing radicalization of the Muslim World.

Therefore: Israel must give up more of their land, and enter into a “peace agreement” with the PLO. Because the PLO is considered to be political correct, and do accept credit card payment for their service for the Pentagon.

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Obama will sell Israel for a penny
January 26, 2012
“Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal”.



Benjamin Netanyahu must not trust promises given by President Obama.

These are the words of President Obama in his state of the Union address to the Congress.

The US President claim he is committed to the security of Israel:

The renewal of American leadership can be felt across the globe. Our oldest alliances in Europe and Asia are stronger than ever. Our ties to the Americas are deeper. Our ironclad commitment — and I mean ironclad — to Israel’s security has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries in history. (Applause.)



Source: The White House

My comment:

Obama’s strategy towards Israel is to get a quick recognition of a “Palestine state”, based on the cease fire lines of 1967.

This kind of Israeli withdrawal back to these borders, will be a suicidal move. Obama can claim whatever He wants. But the proposed support for “security of Israel behind the ‘Auswich” lines is pure and plain rhetorical deception.

What Obama should have said, if He was serious about the security of Israel:

“We want to see a secure Israel keeping its Jewish majority, having military control of the Jordan valley, and with Jerusalem as the united capital”.

For the US president to utter such words, is close to impossible. Because with all his heart, Obama works for the ‘Islamic republic of Palestine”.

In regards to a US promise to contain the Iranian nuclear weapon program: This is only cheap political rhetoric. We all remember President W.Bush promise to keep North Korea free from nukes. That promise was valid only up to the day the Communist regime triggered its first atomic bomb.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

Luke 21:23
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.

Israel must not listen to Obama. The present US President tries to trap the Jewish state. Israel must take care of its own security. Israel should trust no one else than God of Israel.

May Jesus the Messiah keep the Israel leadership safe, and save them. Amen.

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Cringe-inducing

Part of the apostasy of the last days’ Church, predicted by Paul and Peter, among others, involves a denial or marginalization of Bible prophecy itself. Such a mindset of course impacts how we see Israel and the Jewish people.

This is one of the chief reasons Israel is being tightly squeezed by the international community today.

For those of us who came of age reading Hal Lindsey, it seemed prophecy had arrived at a golden age. In a sense it had, although, ironically, in the shadow of the Six Day War, which gave rise to prophecy teaching, the seeds of false criticism arose. As I have written recently, much of that opposition has come from effective Palestinian propaganda, which is now bearing fruit all across the American church landscape.

Matthew Lee Anderson, Mere Orthodoxy blogger (the following is from an article in Christianity Today),

“Struck a nerve earlier this year when he identified young evangelicals as another group desperately seeking social acceptance. In a twist on the Pew data, Anderson sees his fellow 20-something evangelicals lobbying for acceptance by denigrating their elders.

“According to Anderson's reading of evangelical youth, they believe older evangelicals were seduced by the Religious Right and didn't do enough to fight poverty and racism. They were preoccupied with a narrow set of values, such as abstinence from alcohol and sex outside of marriage. These same rubes even bought Left Behind books and watched The Late Great Planet Earth.”

Anderson discerns the reasons behind this form of rebellion:

“If young evangelicals had reached these conclusions for principled reasons, then Anderson might not be so concerned. But he suspects more nefarious trends at work.

“’I get the sense that for many of my young evangelical peers, the doctrine of eschatology is less important not because of careful reflection upon the Scriptures, but because of the political and cultural scorn the doctrine has earned,’ writes Anderson, a 2004 graduate of Biola University. ‘For most young evangelicals, eschatology is cringe inducing not because traditional formulations are wrong, but because they are weird. That all Christians would disappear in a flash will hardly earn Christians cultural acceptability—and cultural acceptance, today, is their paramount desire.’"

So, Bible prophecy is “cringe-inducing” and “weird.” And who wasn’t teaching these young people that friendship with the world is enmity with God? How did we fail to tell them that acceptance from the world is the last thing they should be seeking?

Thus, we have a catastrophe on our hands, with regard to prophecy teaching among the younger generations. There are many reasons besides their embarrassment over their elders. The foundation to this unbelief also springs from scholarship, both old and new. From a Publishers Weekly review recently, we read about Elaine Pagels’ new book:

“Many Christians today believe that the Book of Revelation (which some mistakenly call “Revelations” was written by the same “John” who wrote the Gospel of John, speaks to an audience of persecuted Christians, and stands in harmony with the rest of the New Testament. In this fascinating study, Pagels challenges all of those assumptions, arguing instead that the visions recorded by John of Patmos function as an anti-assimilationist harangue that explicitly countered Paul’s teachings that keeping Jewish law was no longer necessary.”

Question: How does Elaine Pagels know that John’s worldview was at odds with Paul’s?

Answer: She doesn’t.

Pagels cannot know what her book alleges, any more than she can know whether the Apostle John suffered from bunions or disliked the color blue. Her hatred of predictive prophecy is her bias here, and that is why she crafted her book around it. This is a common tactic among liberal scholars: making up “evidence” to assert a falsehood.

Believe it or not, the Pagels of the world are having a dramatic negative effect on the biblical worldview of millions of young people in America.

For a long time, authoritative figures like liberal scholars have said, in essence, “Bible prophecy is really stupid,” and young students have said, “Okay, Bible prophecy must be stupid.”

Then there is the growing assault on Bible prophecy teaching from the evangelical world. Voddie Baucham, a wildly popular evangelical leader, recently made his case for supporting Ron Paul for president. The comments from his blog were reprinted at American Vision News, on January 17. In his discussion of Paul’s views on Israel, Baucham wrote:

“Ron Paul does support Israel. It is our current foreign policy that does not support Israel! However, there is a deeper issue here. There is a sort of misplaced Dispensationalism that governs people’s sentimental attitude toward Israel. Let me state clearly that I do not believe the Bible demands that the U.S. support Israel. I do, however, believe that it is wise to do so for geopolitical reasons. To do so for theological reasons, I believe, is actually misguided, and quite dangerous. Nevertheless, Israel is our only true ally in the Middle East, and that is important.

“But there’s a more important question: What does it mean to ‘support” Israel?’ Does it mean that Israel remains God’s ‘Chosen People,’ and we must stand with them in anticipation of the coming Armageddon? Is the President to act as ‘Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces’ and ‘Supreme Defender of Israel’? Or are we simply to make sure the foreign aid dollars don’t stop flowing?

So Voddie Baucham thinks dispensationalists are misguided and “quite dangerous.” Those assertions sound like someone who’d be happy having a beer with Brian McLaren.

Quite dangerous.

Wow.

(An important aside: American Vision News is brought to you by Gary DeMar, one of the country’s leading preterists, and an outspoken critic of dispensationalists.)

There are undoubtedly problems with dispensationalism, chiefly, I think, the tendency to speculate on “soon-to-be” developments in the world. I will go out on a limb here and say that the chief “sin” of dispensationalists has been two-fold: the aforementioned, non-credible speculation and, a failure to engage in new ways of communicating. While our opponents are using social media such as Twitter and Facebook to beat our brains out over biblical worldview—and I’m talking about Israel-and-prophecy-hating evangelicals—many in the Bible prophecy community are still using overhead projectors and talking in mind-numbing detail about the feet of iron and clay of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.



Guess what? 20-somethings have no idea what you’re talking about. They don’t understand how Daniel’s 70 Weeks is relevant to their lives.

Frankly, in this, I don’t blame them.

This vacuum is being filled by opposing voices, the siren calls of social justice, the drive to be “missional,” etc. These are the buzz-phrases appealing to young people, who want to do something positive in the world. Problem is, many of them don’t realize that the forces guiding them are anti-biblical. The stance on Israel comes to mind.

As I wrote recently, young media moguls like Cameron Strang are questioning their parents’ generation, which largely supported Israel, mostly because of Bible prophecy.

It is no wonder then that the January/February issue of Strang’s Relevant magazine has an “article” entitled, “Apocalypse Now: Our Foolproof Guide to Surviving 2012,” by Ryan Hamm and Brett McCracken.

(That’s the cover title; inside it’s slightly altered: “2012: Your Guide to the End of the World.”

The “story” itself is satire, a spoof on end-times speculation, with imagery ranging from zombies to the Planet of the Apes. It’s fairly clear the editorial staff of Relevant sees dispensationalists and prophecy teachers as cringe-inducing.

Meanwhile, Strang is moving closer to an open, public embrace of the Palestinian narrative, as I recently alluded to in “Israel Watch.”

In a way, who can blame him? He has seen up-close the holes in dispensational theology or, more accurately, how that crowd markets itself. He is also concerned with feeding the hungry and clothing the naked.

In my view, the teaching of Bible prophecy in America today is in crisis. It follows then that support for Israel will slip dramatically in a few short years, as older generations pass to their reward and Cameron Strang’s generation sits in the cultural driver’s seat.

There is some cause for optimism. Last week on “Tonight Matters,” a radio outreach of RaptureReady, we interviewed Nathan Jones of Lamb & Lion Ministries. Nathan is super-articulate, informed, and he’s 38 and understands social media. Plus, he doesn’t look like Zachary Taylor (if such things matter to young people and, to some degree, I think it does).

He also has the benefit of studying under David Reagan, one of the clearest and most compelling Bible teachers I’ve ever known. Mentoring in this area is critical.

I hope I am not whistling in the wind here (or baying at the moon, depending on your perspective). To some degree, I think there needs to be a Reformation in terms of Bible prophecy teaching, which is linked directly to how one views Israel and the Jewish people.

The apostles wrote that in the last days, many would depart from the faith, and that greatly troubles me.

But taking it lying down really makes me cringe.

jim@prophecymatters.com



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Don't be surprised when many people mock us. How don't they when EVERY RAPTURE / DOOMS DAY predicted from the first century is fail. NOT ONLY FAIL but TOTALLY FAIL.

With the recent failed prediction, it just adds another spank on us as they even mock us more ....

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