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Bill Griese (12 May 2011)
"To Craig Opal: The Sixth Seal is not imminent because Matthew Chapter 24 places it after the Abomination of Desolation!"


The Sixth Seal is not imminent because Matthew Chapter 24 places it after the Abomination of Desolation!

Matt 24:14-22 (KJV) 'And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.'

The Lord Jesus Christ puts the 'gathering together of the elect' after the 'tribulation of those days' and immediately following signs in the sky of the Sixth Seal.

Matt 24:29-31 'Immediately after the tribulation of those days (cut short v.22) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.'

The Prophet Joel tells us that there will be signs in the sky preceding the Day of the Lord's Wrath.
Joel 2:31 'The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible Day of the LORD (Wrath) come.'

The Apostle John tells us that after the opening of the Sixth Seal is when these signs in the sky occur and then the Wrath of God begins after the opening of the Seventh Seal.
Rev 6:12-17 'And I beheld when he had opened the Sixth Seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?'

Rev 7:9-10 'After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.'
Rev 7:13-14 'And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.'

The Wrath of God is the 'Day of Vengeance' and lasts about one year:

Isaiah 34:8 “For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion." A "day of the Lord's vengeance” refers to the wrath of God; and “a year of recompences” indicates that this period will last for about one year, the seventh 'day' of the 70th Week (The seven year 70th week has seven 'days' of one year each).

Isaiah 63:4 “For the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed has come”. The “day of vengeance” is linked here to “the year of my redeemed". During this year, God will take vengeance on unbelievers, but all believers will be raptured beforehand at the Pre-wrath Rapture, which follows the opening of the Sixth Seal. This tells us when the Sixth Seal is opened. (The first day of the seventh year in the current Jewish cycle now in use by Israel is Rosh Hashanah 2014).

The Lord Jesus Christ also linked Noah's Flood, which lasted for about one year, and was the wrath of God in it's time, to the end time events immediately preceding the Second Coming, further illustrating that the wrath of God lasts for about one year.

Matt 24:37-39 "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Pre-wrath Rapture occurs on day one of the year long Second Coming following the opening of the Sixth Seal. At this 'gathering together of the elect', the dead in Christ are raised first, then all living believers are caught up together with them in the clouds to be with the Lord. The Wrath of God then starts at the opening of the Seventh Seal on the very same day after the silence in heaven for half-an-hour, and includes all the Trumpet judgments which follow and which last for about one year. The Lord Jesus Christ descends to earth at the Seventh Trumpet, 1260 days from the midpoint per Daniel chapter 12. The Seven Bowl/Vial judgments follow the Seventh Trumpet and occur during 30 days that follow the actual touching down on the earth part of the Lord's Second Coming. Armageddon then occurs on the 30th day, 1290 days from the midpoint. The Millennium then begins 1335 days from the midpoint.

I believe the Pre-wrath Rapture is the Main Rapture event, corresponding to the 'gathering together of the elect', but this is preceded by an earlier partial Rapture event which I call the "Open Door" occurring near the midpoint of the 70th week. The letters that the Lord Jesus Christ gives to the Seven Churches of Revelation chapters 2 & 3 outlines who will be going thru the "Open Door" and who will be left behind to face the persecution of the Satanically indwelt Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is the reign of Antichrist, and is cut short by the events that begin at the Sixth Seal. Philadelphia is promised that they will escape the persecution of Antichrist. Smyrna is told that they will suffer persecution 'ten days'. The others are told in no uncertain terms that they will be left behind to suffer the persecution unless they repent. Unfortunately, Christ's warnings are being effectively negated by the widely disseminated modern error that all born-again believers are Philadelphians. Many American Christians especially, who fit the description of Laodicea, take for granted that they are going to be raptured to heaven on beds of ease before Antichrist is revealed. Talk about telling people what they want to hear! They need to be told to Repent, Watch and Pray as the Lord Himself instructed in order to be found worthy to escape the persecution of Antichrist. Fortunately, all born-again believers are exempt from the wrath of God, which begins following the Sixth Seal, so this does necessitate more than one rapture event. The 'Open Door' for Philadelphia and Smyrna, and Pre-Wrath for the rest. There are three divisions to the 70th week. First, the Birth Pangs or Beginning of Sorrows, which as a proponent of the 2008-2015 Timeline, I believe we are in now. Second, the Great Tribulation, which will begin at the midpoint (I believe on April 11, 2012) with the Abomination of Desolation. Third, the Great Tribulation of Antichrist is 'cut short' per Matt 24:22 by the Lord Jesus Christ, who will immediately after the Sixth Seal, appear in the sky, gather the elect, then pour out His Wrath for the remaining number of days prophesied in Daniel chapter 12. (I believe ending in the fall of 2015).

Luke 21:36 'Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.'


Bill Griese

Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Re: To Craig Opal: The Sixth Seal is not imminent because Matthew Chapter 24 places it after the A

Need to remind that tribulation of those days have multiple meanings depending on how our God Jesus meant by the TERM 'tribulation'.

1) If Jesus meant that from Israel being rejected and Church Age was already in 'Tribulation'...then those days refers to 2000years of GRACE period being ENDED with PreWrath-RAPTURE!. This is possibly 6th SEAL EVEnt.

2) There is another 'Tribulation' which Jesus had chosen to use to mean 'Great Tribulation' of those DAYs too...so this is why Jesus used this VERSE after the 'Abomination of desolation' verse.
This would be gathering of ELECTS...Great Tribulation Saints and Israel remnants...

3) There could be also PreWrath-RAPTURE on the 1263.5day after 2witnesses killed and voice calling them to COME UP to HEAVEN...is this event after Abomination of Desolation?

Pls note : 'Time, Times, half a Time' was used few times in the Bible by Daniel and John in Revelation...
a) Could this mean RAPTURE events?
b) Could this mean 1st time period,2nd time period, and half the time period?
c) Could this mean 1st time Rapture, 2nd time Rapture, 3rd time GATHERING?
d) Could this mean 1x , 2x , 0.5x = 3.5x?
e) Could this mean 1000years(millenium after satan released), 2000years(this church-grace period), 500years(since Northern Israel in captivity)?

see...there are many possibe meanings...

Need to remind ALSO that There will be at least 6more years (shortened period) just like a PARALLEL in 2 KINGS chapter 11:1-21

2Kings:11:1: "And when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal.

2: But Jehosheba, the daughter of king Joram, sister of Ahaziah, took Joash [man-child,CHURCH?] the son of Ahaziah and stole him from among the king's sons which were slain; and they hid him, even him and his nurse, in the bedchamber from Athaliah, so that he was not slain.

3: And he[man-child,CHURCH?] was with her hid in the house of the LORD six years. And Athaliah did reign over the land.

4: And the seventh year Jehoiada[JESUS?] sent and fetched the rulers over hundreds, with the captains and the guard, and brought them to him into the house of the LORD, and made a covenant with them, and took an oath of them in the house of the LORD, and shewed them the king's son.

5: And he commanded them, saying, This is the thing that ye shall do; A third part of you that enter in on the sabbath shall even be keepers of the watch of the king's house;

6: And a third part shall be at the gate of Sur; and a third part at the gate behind the guard: so shall ye keep the watch of the house, that it be not broken down.

7: And two parts of all you that go forth on the sabbath, even they shall keep the watch of the house of the LORD about the king.

8: And ye shall compass the king around about, every man with his weapons in his hand: and he that cometh within the ranges, let him be slain: and be ye with the king as he goeth out and as he cometh in.

9: And the captains over the hundreds did according to all things that Jehoiada the priest commanded: and they took every man his men that were to come in on the sabbath, with them that should go out on the sabbath, and came to Jehoiada the priest.

10: And to the captains over hundreds did the priest give king David's spears and shields, that were in the temple of the LORD.

11: And the guard stood, every man with his weapons in his hand, round about the king, from the right corner of the temple to the left corner of the temple, along by the altar and the temple.

12: And he brought forth the king's son, and put the crown upon him, and gave him the testimony; and they made him king, and anointed him; and they clapped their hands, and said, God save the king.

13: And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard and of the people, she came to the people into the temple of the LORD.

14: And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets: and Athaliah rent her clothes, and cried, Treason, Treason.

15: But Jehoiada the priest commanded the captains of the hundreds, the officers of the host, and said unto them, Have her forth without the ranges: and him that followeth her kill with the sword. For the priest had said, Let her not be slain in the house of the LORD.

16: And they laid hands on her; and she went by the way by the which the horses came into the king's house: and there was she slain.

17: And Jehoiada made a covenant between the LORD and the king and the people that they should be the LORD's people; between the king also and the people.

18: And all the people of the land went into the house of Baal, and brake it down; his altars and his images brake they in pieces thoroughly, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars. And the priest appointed officers over the house of the LORD.

19: And he took the rulers over hundreds, and the captains, and the guard, and all the people of the land; and they brought down the king from the house of the LORD, and came by the way of the gate of the guard to the king's house. And he sat on the throne of the kings.

20: And all the people of the land rejoiced, and the city was in quiet: and they slew Athaliah with the sword beside the king's house.

21: Seven years old was Jehoash[man-child,CHURCH?] when he began to reign."

Another 7 year (shortened period) PARALLEL in TEMPLE building of SOLOMON which was built in 7years see 1 KINGS chapter 6&7

1Kings:6:37,38: "In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif: And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."


Pls note that the 2nd TEMPLE was build in 33years or 46Years...that is why JESUS died as a priest in the 2nd TEMPLE.

download & see timeline whereby 2nd Temple was built in Persian Empire Cyrus 2nd year till Artaxerxes 7th year...temple was dedicated in the 36th year? meaning Jesus preached Acceptable Year then 4years Ministry in JUDEA?

46years according to Gospel account...
John:2:20: Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?