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Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

fyi I have already seen and learn few years ago from these videos.
Pls note that Jesus is Venus and the 'Star of Bethlehem' which Wise men seen was already after Jesus was born and was called a young child.

Matthew:2:8-11,13,14: "And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:.."

Matthew 2:20,21: "Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel."


I have no excellent presentation but discovered wise mean could be following Venus which stood at the CROSS STAR.

see link:-

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730275

If HEROD died in 4BC, then Jesus was born 6BC and if Jesus died in 33AD...then Jesus died 40 YEARS OLD.

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287

Moses code is true...

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Hi Mike,

Yes I watched the Videos about Bethlehem Star about 3 years ago....but now it is free to share on Youtube!...

God Bless

Steven

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Steven
Hi Mike,

Yes I watched the Videos about Bethlehem Star about 3 years ago....but now it is free to share on Youtube!...

God Bless

Steven

Thanks and the studies are definitely from God but the dates may not be exact because of so many passing comeTs or events within 2000years that changed projections and so there are errors in all reverse engineering dates.

NO ONE knows for sure but WE WILL KNOW in HEAVEN

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Mike, I believed that

Yahshua was born on 6BC and died on 33AD so I agreed with you that He might be died when he was 40 years old.

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Thanks Gimel!

Few people look deep into hidden truths! I did not believe initially when I read other website until I researched and found out that AUC years are ROMAN years which was 355days before.

If this AUC was really following Babylonian calendar system...I believe 6BC re-calculated could be 2AD instead.

Applying HOSEA's code Hosea6:2 : After 2DAY He revive us and 3rd DAY He raise us up...

If Jesus died 33AD...then we add 2000x360 day-years = 1971x365.2468 day-years + few months.
= 2004AD and so we are 7years already

and if using 2000x365.2468 day-years means we need to wait till after 2033AD.

Therefore I believe Jesus died 40-43AD is possible.

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2011/elianeb725-1.htm

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Eliane B (25 July 2011)
"The Star of Bethlehem and the year of the Cross"

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Dear Sharon and Doves,



I was also very excited when I watched the Star of Bethlehem video. What an amazing presentation! What a diligent work! I very much enjoyed it! I strongly recommend everyone to watch that video. I was very much inspired after watching it. Excellent piece of work by Mr. Rick Larson. His website is http://www.bethlehemstar.net/



Only with regard to the dating of the crucifixion (subject which is presented in an extra track of the DVD), I don’t think it took place in the year 33 A.D.



Larson (the author) had many premises to define the Day of the Cross (see explanation here: http://www.bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htm). I think all of them were correct except for one.



He found all years when there happened a lunar eclipse exactly on the 14th of Nisan (the Passover according to Leviticus 23) between the year 28 A.D. and the year 33 A.D. By the way Larson reminds us that many people say that Jesus was 30 when He began His ministry and therefore He had to be 33 when He died – which would narrow a lot the time frame for the year of the crucifixion. Larson explains that what the Scriptures say is that Jesus was about (approximately) 30 years old when He began His ministry, so He could have been any age between 29 and 32, for example, whey Luke 3:23 says that He was about 30. That verse doesn’t specify a precise age and I agree with Mr. Larson regarding this issue.



What I don’t agree with is his premise that the 14th of Nisan in the year of the crucifixion would have to be on a day the in our Gregorian Calendar is known as “Friday”. Although I do believe that the crucifixion took place on Preparation Day (the day before the weekly Sabbath), that His body rested in the tumb on the weekly Sabbath and that His resurrection took place on the first day of the week (the day immediately following the weekly Sabbath), I do not share the view that Preparation Day was necessarily a Friday.



Most people think that The Sabbath is the same thing as the Gregorian calendar day we know as “Saturday”, which is not. .



Explanations can be found in many articles in these websites:



http://lunarsabbath.info/index.html



http://www.creationcalendar.com/



http://lunarsabbath.us/index.html



http://www.hope-of-israel.org/sabfloat.htm



The first time I read these studies I found it very hard to accept those explanations (that The Sabbath is not the same thing as Saturday). But later I found most of their thoughts accurate and very reasonable, all supported by scripture. It is simply amazing. One can say when is the Sabbath even if they are in a desert island and don’t have a calendar or a watch.


What I’m going to say doesn’t invalidate Mr. Larson spectacular findings, but only question if the crucifixion really took place in 33 A.D. I’m saying that because I noticed that in his researches he discarded a total lunar eclipse in the year 32 A.D. which happened in the Passover week just because the day of the eclipse that year didn’t fall on a Friday.



The total lunar eclipse on April 14th 32 A.D. was much stronger and impressive than the one in 33 A.D., lasting 1h41min (or, if considering the entire phenomenon, 3 hours and 43 minutes), having started at 11:57 according to NASA website). http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLEmap/0001-0100/LE0032-04-14T.gif



The eclipse in April 3rd 33 A.D. was partial (http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLEmap/0001-0100/LE0033-04-03P.gif).



I truly believe that the eclipse happening on the day of Jesus crucifixion was a total eclipse and also that it did not have to take place on the day of the week we know today as “Friday”. That’s why the eclipse the happened on April 14th 32 A.D. perfectly qualifies, in my opinion.


If we use Sttelarium or Starry Night software and observe the Earth from the Moon as a viewpoint, Larson’s findings that eclipse was in front of the constellation of Aries (Lamb) continues to be valid. That part of the video was so amazing and moving.



People accept the scripture where it says that the Jews would “forget” God’s name for Baal/”lord” but won’t accept where the scripture says that He would destroy their Sanctuary and cause His Sabbaths to be "forgotten" in Zion (Lamentation 2:6.). Yes, the Name AND Sabbaths were both forgotten!


Philo kept the Lunar Sabbath: http://www.lunarsabbath.info/id3.html


The Gregorian calendar was created in 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII corrected the errors of the Julian calendar. Over time the majority of the civilized world adopted the calendar we adhere to today—the Gregorian calendar. See Daniel 7:25. Neither the Julian, nor the Gregorian calendar regulates time according to scripture. They arbitrarily begin the year in winter, days at midnight and completely ignore the lunar cycle and the new moon. Check here: http://creationcalendar.com/CalendarIssue/4-CreationCalendarvs.Gregorian.pdf


When did the Saturday became “the Sabbath”, then? See here: http://www.creationcalendar.com/files/22-HowDidSatyrdayBecomeTheSabbath.pdf


So I believe that there is a HUGE probability that the year of the crucifixion was 32 A.D., when there was a SPECTACULAR Lunar Eclipse on the day we today call “April 14th” (a “Wednesday” in the Gregorian calendar, which means absolutely nothing in our Father’s original calendar). The 14th of Nisan was and is ALWAYS on the day before the correct Sabbath (which are always on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of the Hebrew month).



I know that if you go to a Hebrew calendar converter you will find that April 14th 32 A.D. would correspond to “Nisan 16th”, but it is just not so.


First of all, the calendar converter expressly states (in a Warning in bold red color) that results for year 1752 C.E. and before may not be accurate, because of changes introduced by Pope Gregory XIII. See here: http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=14&gm=4&gy=32&g2h=Convert+Gregorian+to+Hebrew+date


Secondly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, if we KNOW that all 15th days of the Hebrew months are FULL MOON, then that full moon rises in the Northern Hemisphere on the evening before. During the waxing moon, the phases are seen the evening before. The quarter phase seen at sunset on day 7 announces Day 8 as the Sabbath and, respectively, the full moon seen at sunset on day 14 announces Day 15 as the Sabbath. Reference: http://creationcalendar.com/CalendarIssue/6-ConjunctionStudy.pdf


So I think that the day of the total lunar eclipse on April 14th 32 A.D. was the 14th of Nisan, preparation day, the day before the Sabbath, and very probably the day of the Cross.



Love in Christ,



Eliane



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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - CELESTIAL SIGNS AT CHRIST'S BIRTH
Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - CELESTIAL SIGNS AT CHRIST'S BIRTH

Dear Helena,

Pls re-look at Astronomy after 1AD because if Jesus was born earlier before and if Jesus died 33yrs old(I believe 40yrs old instead), then we are ALREADY in the 7th DAY rest?

since 360x2000(prophetic years)=1971years of 365.25days
anythin 1BC + 33 + 1971 = 2003AD meaning 2000years had passed and we are in Millenium...it sure isn't, right?

I had been wondering this ISSUEs ever since I was prompted to compile the TIMEline.

Before I had a website, I did seek people to help insert my studies in their websites but they refused and I was asked to create my own.

Pls look into the Timeline and you would understand why I had believed that Jesus died 40AD or later...

There could be Astronomical Alignments too after 1AD which I found out but was not sure...so I seek your help pls.

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Gimel
I believe that Yahshua was born in 6BC and died on 33AD so I agree with you that He might have died when he was 40 years old.


As shown in the above excerpt from my book “The Language of God in the Universe” regarding Yahshua’s birth and another excerpt I hope to post here later tonight regarding His death from my book “The Language of God in Humanity”, I have found compelling proof that Yahshua was born in 3 BC and died in 31 AD when He was about 33 years old.

Luke clearly indicates that Yahshua was about thirty years old when He started His ministry, which only lasted three and a half years:

Luke 3:23 - “Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph…”

Also keep in mind that life begins at conception, not at birth, so Yahshua may have been 29 years from birth but 30 years from conception when He started His ministry, which was likely in 27 AD.

Helena Lehman
Pillar of Enoch Ministry

To learn more about my books, go to: http://pillar-of-enoch.com

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Dear Helena,

It was really not easy to see clEARly the Hidden MINI.SToRY of JESUS' WORK which needed to be STUDIED...because plain reading shows partly only, right?

Like many in RITAnow...people refused to see what they have lEARnt before and beLIEved as truth.
We need to "STUDY to shew ourselves approved unto GOD, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of TRUTH." 2 Timothy 2:15

Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=872371&cmd=show

Jacob(Jesus) worked 7years for Rachel(Israel) and Laban(Satan) gave him Leah(Church)
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=872261&cmd=show

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection
Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

mike
Jacob (Jesus) worked 7 years for Rachel (Israel) and Laban (Satan) gave him Leah (Church)


I see you have a really high opinion of the Church, Mike (~sarcasm intended~). So, would you agree that all the people now saying all the Jews are a bunch of Satan worshippers are right as well?

If not, don't you think you should stop slamming Evangelical Protestant Christians with incorrect interpretations of Scripture? Because these types of Christians are the only ones in the whole Gentile world right now that happen to love and respect Israel's position before God, and that says a good deal about their own GOOD character and beloved position before God.

Helena

PS: About your other comment that we would be in the 7th Millennium by my calculations of Yahshua's birth and death, YES, that is absolutely CORRECT! WE ARE IN THE 7TH GREAT DAY ALREADY and have been since 2000!!!! I carefully and meticulously explain this in my 750-page book "The Language of God in Prophecy". Have you read it yet? If not, here’s a link to get a copy: http://pillar-of-enoch.com

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Dear Helena,

The CHURCH is LEAH the twin sister of ISRAEL (Rachel).

I am not saying that God is not saving the Israelites. God is saving the Church(Jews & Gentiles who believe in Christ by Faith in Grace Alone)

God is sure going to save ISRAEL the beloved RACHEL (Hebrews & Jews who believe in Messiah by Holiness in Law)

This is God's Will and why there is a need(view) to have PRE-TRIB as mentioned and believed by many.

If you are saying Millenium has started, is satan locked up already?

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Helena Lehman
mike
Jacob (Jesus) worked 7 years for Rachel (Israel) and Laban (Satan) gave him Leah (Church)


PS: About your other comment that we would be in the 7th Millennium by my calculations of Yahshua's birth and death, YES, that is absolutely CORRECT! WE ARE IN THE 7TH GREAT DAY ALREADY and have been since 2000!!!! I carefully and meticulously explain this in my 750-page book "The Language of God in Prophecy". Have you read it yet? If not, here’s a link to get a copy: http://pillar-of-enoch.com


Dear Helena,

750-page book is no joke...where is the answer?

Could you be specific to explain instead of telling me to spend lots of time reading which I may not even figure out yet after RAPTURE?

If someone asked JESUS a question...Would JESUS asked him to READ the WHOLE 66 books of the BIBLE which was carefully and meticulously inspired and not answering or summarising the ANSWER?

JESUS would certainly explain as clearly as HE could even if we did not understand or read the SCRIPTUREs.

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Helena Lehman
If not, don't you think you should stop slamming Evangelical Protestant Christians with incorrect interpretations of Scripture? Because these types of Christians are the only ones in the whole Gentile world right now that happen to love and respect Israel's position before God, and that says a good deal about their own GOOD character and beloved position before God.

Helena


Just to clarify that I am not slamming anyone.
I am just trying to bring across the 'WRONG' dates as supposing them as 'FACTs' which is mathematically wrong most of the time.

So many DATEs has come and gone and many has BELIEVEd in the DATEs as if they were FACTs.

ONLY GOD's WORD is TRUTH and truth hurts...

I am sorry that when I speak or bring my points across to others...the words are too direct and often hurting like bitterness to the hearers.

I am not GOOD. I love Israel but that doesn't mean I agree with Israel 100%.

God has a time for Church and a time for ISRAEL.
Just as the Parable of OLD and NEW wine which JESUS said HIMSELF.
HE would PRESERVE ISRAEL using OLD testament and CHURCH using NEW testament.

PAUL had a hard time explaining to the HEBREWS that he is not talking only to GENTILES.
PAUL does not like the OLD ways to confuse the NEW CREATUREs in CHRIST.

Time has come that ISRAEL has return to their promised land again and this 70years has concurrently started while the Church is concurrently falling away.

Grace Period will end soon and the LAWless will be revealed...and so Period of LAW will start soon for ISRAEL again.

Sorry if you find me hurting...

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

Helena Lehman
Gimel
I believe that Yahshua was born in 6BC and died on 33AD so I agree with you that He might have died when he was 40 years old.


As shown in the above excerpt from my book “The Language of God in the Universe” regarding Yahshua’s birth and another excerpt I hope to post here later tonight regarding His death from my book “The Language of God in Humanity”, I have found compelling proof that Yahshua was born in 3 BC and died in 31 AD when He was about 33 years old.

Luke clearly indicates that Yahshua was about thirty years old when He started His ministry, which only lasted three and a half years:

Luke 3:23 - “Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph…”

Also keep in mind that life begins at conception, not at birth, so Yahshua may have been 29 years from birth but 30 years from conception when He started His ministry, which was likely in 27 AD.

Helena Lehman
Pillar of Enoch Ministry

To learn more about my books, go to: http://pillar-of-enoch.com


For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

Must SEE!!: Word for Word :Movie Video!: The Gospel of JOHN
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Dear Helena, as quoted from earlier post below...very interesting discussion between RITAn and me before I was LOCKed and then I was blocked...
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Hi Steven,
Good video which showed truthfully that Jesus was already baptized by John(Baptist) who recognised HIM the next day after questioned by Pharisees.
Just sharing my discussion in a post in ‘RITAnow’ which was locked due to my belief that Jesus died 40years old.

The below quoted from mike in RITAnow...

If you study Gospel of John chapter1 verse 19 to 34...
You would see clearly in verse33 that John(Baptist) knew not that Jesus(his cousin) was the PROPHET. God told John(Baptist) "Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
"And I knew Him not: but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost." John1:33

Then how could John in verse 29 DECLARED Jesus as the LAMB of GOD when JESUS is coming unto him?
"The next day (after John the Baptist answered they which were sent of the Pharisees) John (the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

...the next day John the Baptist proclaim Jesus as the Lamb of God, then the next day 2 disciples followed Jesus.

I strongly believe John(Baptist) only realised Jesus is Son of God only at the time just before Jesus was being baptised by John(Baptist), the Holy Spirit was already descending (took some time right?) down like a Dove and that was the moment he knew Jesus was the Son! So John(Baptist) said to Jesus that "I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?" Matthew 3:14.

How could he have said "behold the Lamb of God" in the first place?

mike wrote in RITAnow

How could this be TRUE if Jesus was immediately LED by the HolySpirit according to all Gospels of Matthew,Mark&Luke into Wilderness for 40days AND NOT to the feast as in John chapter 2 verse 1???

"And immediately the Spirit driveth Him into the wilderness." Mark1:12
"Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil." Matthew 4:1
"And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordon, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness. Being forty days tempted of the devil" Luke 4:1,2a


blueteapot’s response from RITAnow

Response: The Sequence of John’s Testimony tells us what is going on here.

First we see that John the Beloved is establishing Christ as The Word, and pointing that John the Baptist testified concerning that. The definition of testify or testimony is to tell what you witnessed or know regarding an event which has already happened. The key is that all of this is past tense, not present tense.

John 1:14-37 (NIV)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Here, John the Baptist makes clear that he testified (past tense) to the Jews leaders that he understood he is not the one, but Christ was coming.
John the Baptist Denies Being the Messiah
19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.”
21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”
22 Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”
23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’”
24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent 25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know. 27 He is the one who comes after me, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Next, John points out Jesus. Remember - At this point in time…the Baptism has already taken place! John is not saying a) the Lamb of God that b) I did not know. John is saying a) I did not know Him until b) I baptized Him. See the word “meant” in verse 30. That’s past tense. John is talking about what has already happened, not what is happening. The same in verse 33 - the word is “told”, past tense.

John Testifies About Jesus

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”
And the last part of the sequence. John’s disciples, hearing John’s testimony about what has already happened, followed Jesus.
John’s Disciples Follow Jesus
35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus.

So the answer to your question “How could he have said "behold the Lamb of God" in the first place?” is that it was NOT in the first place, it was after the event, in the second place.


mike ‘s response from RITAnow to blueteapot
Thanks for explaining this fact that there were 2 different incidents of John(Baptist) with Jesus.


The answer is that John the Baptist saw Jesus again after 7years...John the Baptist then in this Gospel of John1verse29... John(Baptist) saw Jesus coming the 2nd time after 7years since Jesus' baptism and so John the Baptist declared Jesus as the LAMB of GOD.

So Jesus was Baptised around 30years old, immediately led by Spirit into wilderness for 40days.

Then Jesus preached '7years' in Syria, and HIS fame was all over Galilee in Syria.


"And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of Him through all region round about." Luke4:14

and Jesus returned from Jordon to John(Baptist) and next day 2 disciples of John(Baptist) followed Jesus.

And then Gospel of John recorded the Passover Records which could be 3 to 4 years


Pls see The Year Jesus Died.
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287

http://www.4shared.com/account/document/80At7I3M/AUC_AD_BC_conversion_to_determ.html

http://www.4shared.com/account/document/AkjLF-7F/AUC_AD_BC_conversion_to_determ.html

Pls see Moses Code & Hebrews Chapter3 confirmed Jesus Worked 40years

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM! - Yahshua's Date of Birth and Death/Resurrection

mike


For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

Just sharing my discussion in a post in ‘RITAnow’ which was locked due to my belief that Jesus died 40years old.

The below quoted from mike in RITAnow...

If you study Gospel of John chapter1 verse 19 to 34...
You would see clearly in verse33 that John(Baptist) knew not that Jesus(his cousin) was the PROPHET. God told John(Baptist) "Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
"And I knew Him not: but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost." John1:33

Then how could John in verse 29 DECLARED Jesus as the LAMB of GOD when JESUS is coming unto him?
"The next day (after John the Baptist answered they which were sent of the Pharisees) John (the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

...the next day John the Baptist proclaim Jesus as the Lamb of God, then the next day 2 disciples followed Jesus.

I strongly believe John(Baptist) only realised Jesus is Son of God only at the time just before Jesus was being baptised by John(Baptist), the Holy Spirit was already descending (took some time right?) down like a Dove and that was the moment he knew Jesus was the Son! So John(Baptist) said to Jesus that "I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?" Matthew 3:14.

How could he have said "behold the Lamb of God" in the first place?

The answer is that John the Baptist saw Jesus again after 7years...John the Baptist then in this Gospel of John1verse29... John(Baptist) saw Jesus coming the 2nd time after 7years since Jesus' baptism and so John the Baptist declared Jesus as the LAMB of GOD.

So Jesus was Baptised around 30years old, immediately led by Spirit into wilderness for 40days.

Then Jesus preached '7years' in Syria, and HIS fame was all over Galilee in Syria.

"And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of Him through all region round about." Luke4:14

and Jesus returned from Jordon to John(Baptist) and next day 2 disciples of John(Baptist) followed Jesus.

And then Gospel of John recorded the Passover Records which could be 3 to 4 years


Pls see The Year Jesus Died.
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287

http://www.4shared.com/account/document/80At7I3M/AUC_AD_BC_conversion_to_determ.html

http://www.4shared.com/account/document/AkjLF-7F/AUC_AD_BC_conversion_to_determ.html

Pls see Moses Code & Hebrews Chapter3 confirmed Jesus Worked 40years

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280
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For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

JOHN baptising in 773 AUC?
http://www.kencollins.com/answers/question-30.htm

You are not the only person who is frustrated that the gospel of Luke does not say:

On the fourth of May in the Roman year 773 AUC , the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the desert.
—Luke 3:1-2, Imaginary Text
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Is the Above link an EVIDENCE that John the Baptist started Baptising in 773AUC

If 773AUC is TRUE...then JESUS was 30years old in 773AUC.

So 30years ago would be 743AUC right?

So if JESUS born in 743AUC...is 1AD according to Dionysius...then King Herod died in 750AUC which is 8AD is perfectly correct, right?

What if Jesus was really crucified in 781AUC according to the pilate diaries.
http://www.thepilatediaries.co.uk/

Then JESUS died at 38years old? in 39AD?

There are so many errors in histories and hidden till these last days?

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Information just from the bible.

Use it however the Spirit leads you.

Luke 3:21-22

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
KJV

Luke 3:23

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
KJV



Num 4:3
3 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tabernacle of meeting.
NKJV

Num 4:35
35 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, everyone who entered the service for work in the tabernacle of meeting;
NKJV


Num 4:38-39
39 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, everyone who entered the service for work in the tabernacle of meeting —
NKJV


Num 4:42-43
43 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, everyone who entered the service for work in the tabernacle of meeting —
NKJV


Num 4:47
47 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, everyone who came to do the work of service and the work of bearing burdens in the tabernacle of meeting —
NKJV

Re: VIDEO: THE REAL STAR OF BETHLEHEM!

Steven
Information just from the bible.

Use it however the Spirit leads you.



Thanks Steven for reminding us to use the Bible as our source of truth!

I would like people to understand why Jesus was fulfilling role as Jacob before HE could call HIS Bride...and satan (Laban) did not give HIM Israel(Rachel).

If you read the Gospel of John, it was John and Andrew who is brother of Simon Peter who called Peter in the start of Jesus' 'ministory'.
If you study Matthew & Mark's Gospel...John the baptist was imprison and then Jesus had to call Simon Peter who were busy fishing for their living to come and 'FOLLOW ME' and I will make you fishers of men.

Pls study the below account and note the PERIOD devil leaveth JESUS before John Baptist was cast into prison till the time JESUS called out Peter...

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Matthew:4:11-20

"Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
v12: Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
v13: And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
v14: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
v15: The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
v16: The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
v17: From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
v18: And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
v19: And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
v20: And they straightway left their nets, and followed him."
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Pls see the account of John Disciple which was next day after John baptist was still around (defintely 40day + 'certain hidden period') who pointed to JESUS as the LAMB of GOD.

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John:1:35-42

"Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
v36: And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
v37: And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
v38: Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
v39: He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
v40: One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
v41: He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
v42: And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone."
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Pls note the MAJOR difference between John and Matthew.
The name of PETER was already mentioned in Matthew as SIMON PETER before JESUS requested them to FOLLOW HIM.
While in John, JESUS called SIMON as Cephas which is PETER.

Peter and some disciples could be busy with their livelihood although they knew and saw JESUS' 1st Miracle and yet after sometime, they continued fishing and Jesus had to ask them to cast the net after they caught nothing.
And when they followed Jesus' instruction to cast the net in BROAD DAY LIGHT into the sea, they had so great a CATCH that they FINALLY SEE JESUS AS THE PROVIDER!

So then JESUS Asked them to FOLLOW HIM.
That is the final CALL and they FORSOOK ALL!

No one will FORSAKE ALL after just 1 miracle since JESUS could not find GREAT FAITH IN ISRAEL, RIGHT?

Matthew:8:10: "When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."

Luke:7:9: "When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."



Pls study deeper into the accounts and understand that JESUS has to work 7years before satan(Laban) would allow Him to call out HIS Church(LEAH).

Even PAUL has to mentioned HIS WORKS twice and so confirmed why ISRAEL was rejected.

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HEBREWS 3:6-12

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Wherefore

(as the Holy Ghost saith,
To day if ye will hear his[JESUS] voice,
Harden not your hearts
, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my [JESUS]works forty years.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
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Look at the brackets ( )
hidden meanings...please.

Then Paul mentioned why ISRAEL was rejected due to UNBELIEF...

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Hebrews 3:15-19

v15: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
v16: For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
v17: But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
v18: And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
v19: So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
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That is why GOD had rejected ISRAEL for 2000years already and NOW IS THE TIME TO CALL ISRAEL HIS BRIDE

3 WITNESSES confirming JESUS & FORTY YEARS

mike

Even PAUL has to mentioned HIS WORKS twice and so confirmed why ISRAEL was rejected.

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HEBREWS 3:6-12

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Wherefore

(as the Holy Ghost saith,
To day if ye will hear his[JESUS] voice,
Harden not your hearts
, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my [JESUS]works forty years.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
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Look at the brackets ( )
hidden meanings...please.

Then Paul mentioned why ISRAEL was rejected due to UNBELIEF...

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Hebrews 3:15-19

v15: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
v16: For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
v17: But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
v18: And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
v19: So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
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That is why GOD had rejected ISRAEL for 2000years already and NOW IS THE TIME TO CALL ISRAEL HIS BRIDE


MOSES CODE is 40years and GOD DEMANDED ISRAEL to HEARKEN unto the PROPHET LIKE MOSES.

Moses said...
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet [JESUS CHRIST]
from the midst of thee ,
of thy brethren,
LIKE UNTO ME [MOSES];
unto HIM [JESUS] ye shall HEARken;"
Deuteronomy 18:15

"And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not HEARken unto MY words
which HE [JESUS] shall speak in MY name,
I will require it of him."
Deuteronomy 18:19


As confirmed by Stephen before his death in Act7:35-37


"This Moses whom they refused,
saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge?
the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him [Moses] in the bush.
He brought them out,
after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt,
and in the Red Sea,
and in the wilderness
FORTY YEARS.
This is that Moses,
which said unto the children of Israel,
A Prophet shall the LORD your God
raise up unto you of your brethren,
like unto me [Moses]:
Him [JESUS] shall ye HEAR."
Act7:35-37


pls see Moses Code(40) Jesus Worked 40years Revealed in Hebrews Chapter3
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

WE HAVE 3 WITNESSES "MOSES, APOSTLE PAUL and DEACON STEPHEN"
who CONFIRMED JESUS AS THE PROPHET like MOSES
and all 3 of them MADE the REFERENCE to FORTY YEARS and demanded ISRAEL to HEARken HIS VOICE.

IF JESUS was only 33.5yrs old when HE FINISHED HIS WORKs...
WOULD YOU be WILLING to ARGUE that JESUS is the PROPHET LIKE MOSES who worked FORTY YEARS ?

And WOULD YOU be WILLING to EVEN DIE by being STONED by your BRETHREN?


So is it COMMON SENSE that ALL 3 WITNESSES had CONFIRMED JESUS' 40yrs WORKS and so FULFILLs THE Requirement of the PROPHET like unto MOSES?

MISSING Ministry of JESUS in Matthew/Mark & Luke compared in John's Gospel

Before GOD rejected ISRAEL...ISRAEL had to SEE [JESUS] HIS WORKS [FORTY YEARS] and know FOR SURE that JESUS WAS LIKE unto MOSES the PROPHET who was having a CODE number 'FORTY'...

No one would be willing to argue or die to CONFIRM JESUS is like unto MOSES if JESUS died 33.5years old, right?

SUMMARY OF JESUS FORTY YEARS WORKS

When JESUS was about 30year old, HE was baptised by John BAPTIST. see Luke3:23.

JESUS was led IMMEDIATELY into WILDerness for FORTY DAYS...like unto MOSES in wilderness FORTY YEARS. see Mark1:12

Then devil left JESUS and JESUS 'worked 7 years' for HIS Bride ISRAEL[RACHEL].

Jesus was 37yr old when He could call out HIS Bride...just like HIS 37yr captivity as prisoner by evil king of babylon...

see 2Kings:25:27 whereby King Jehoiachin was lifted up out of prison
in the 37th yr Captivity:
"And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year
of the captivity of Jehoiachin
king of Judah,
in the twelfth month,
on the seven and twentieth day of the month,
that Evil-merodach king of Babylon
in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah
out of prison;"


pls see Gospel of John Chapter1...

BEAR in mind that JOHN Baptist was still Baptising many for '7years' because JOHN Baptist was still around before John(B) saw JESUS again the 'next day' after Pharisees asked John(B) and John(B) denied that John(B) was the Prophet 'like MOSES'

v35-37: Again the 'next day'
John(Disciple) heard John(B) saw JESUS and said 'Behold the Lamb of GOD'.

v40: This was the 1st Chronological Timeline after JESUS was 37yr old that John Disciple and Andrew followed JESUS.

v41-42: Andrew found Simon(whom JESUS named as Cephas=Peter) and they were with JESUS for the 1st or Beginning of Miracles. see John2:11

Gospel of JOHN WAS EARLIER ACCOUNT of Matthew/Mark/Luke in that many EVENTs was mentioned before JOHN(B) was cast into prison.

John3:24 "For John[baptist] was not yet cast into prison"

The Matthew's account is much later than John(Disciple) because Matthew(Levi) started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

see Matthew:4:11: "Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."
v12:"Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;"


The Mark's account is also much later than John(Disciple) because Mark also started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

Mark:1:12: "And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
v13: And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
v14: Now after that John[baptist] was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"


The Luke's account is also much later than John(Disciple) although Luke mentioned Jesus's baptism after Luke informed of Herod's evil to shut up John(B) in prison...
It is simply reasonable that Herod only imprisoned John(B) after Jesus' baptism and there is no need to mention how long the baptism and imprisonment duration was.

Luke:3:19: "But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,
v20: Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.
v21: Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,"



This Gospel of John(Disciple) proved to be earlier than the Gospel accounts of Matthew/Mark&Luke.

So there could be 7years 'missing ministry' in Matthew/Mark&Luke's accounts...which have the same word 'NOW'.

NOW When John was cast into prison.
NOW After that John was put in prison.
NOW when ALL PEOPLE[during the 7year missing period] were baptised by John(B) before being shut up by Herod.

So we could SEE a MISSING 7 YEAR WORK of JESUS's LONEly MINISTRY before HE was released to call HIS BRIDE ISRAEL.

Did Jesus worked in the wilderness or Northern Israel or Gallilee? It was not revealed yet.

But we can be sure that John(Disciple) who recorded 3 or 4 years of Ministry of JESUS Christ with HIS Disciples could make JESUS dying at age 37+3.5=40yr old.

SO this further proved that JESUS LIVED 'Worked 40 years' and ISRAEL rejected HIM as the PROPHET like unto MOSES.

Pls see: THE YEAR JESUS DIED
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287