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 THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY  BIBLE VERSES SHOWING  7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE

BIBLE VERSES EVIDENCE:

While JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.  John 17:15 (KJV)

JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return:  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"  Matt. 24:29 (KJV)

 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." I Thess. 4:16-17 (KJV)

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed."  I Corin. 15:52

The "Resurrection" has been erroneously labeled The "Rapture". 

  9 For God/JESUS hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by JESUS

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        JESUS IS COMING SOON!

       We are followers of JESUS Only

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Acts 17:10-12

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
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Luke 21:25-28

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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THE BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF YHWH

THE BIBLE IS FREE OF ERROR IN ALL IT'S TEACHINGS AND INSPIRED BY THE WORD OF YHWH

JESUS IS GOD

JESUS is GOD/GOD Son:

JESUS is The WORD

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things
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Ps 122:6

Psa. 122:6   Pray  shalom Jerusalem:3389/3384 (to flow as waters):  prosper love. 7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. 8 For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. 9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.


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Why Do People Believe Pretrib?

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Why Do People Believe Pretrib?

I recently was asked a question by someone on the verge of fully embracing the prewrath rapture position. She just had one reservation. She writes:

The biggest doubt I have about the prewrath position is that its not widely accepted by true believers. When I simply read what Jesus and Paul and John say the message is obvious. Basically, in the world we will have tribulation (and as James says, "to count it all joy") and in the last days we can also expect tribulation.

What baffles me is when Christians, like my beloved pastor, whole-heartedly believe in a pre-trib rapture and all the baggage that goes with it. My pastor clearly loves the Lord and preaches the gospel of salvation every Sunday. He is devoted to the Word, yet misses this and believes the LaHaye/Lindsey stuff. How is it that anyone who loves Jesus can be missing this truth?

Honestly, this is a great frustration to me, as well. The answer has to do with three things:

1) The history of the development of the rapture positions, whose disfunctional growth created a fertile ground for the pretribulation view (see below).

2) The fact that, while in seminary, pastors-to-be have lots to study, from church growth to learning Greek, so the rapture is one of a seemingly infinite number of things to learn about. It's easy to overlook the inconsistencies in one view in the deluge of other information. Then, once they graduate and get their own churches, they become involved in the day-to-day affairs of their churches and it slips away unless they are somehow directly confronted with it.

3) The consequences of changing their view in a Christendom dominated by pretribulationism that severely persecutes anyone who defects (also see below). We had one formerly pretrib pastor turned prewrather in our Internet prewrath discussion group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prewrathonly) for awhile who agonized over whether or not to sign a doctrinal statement at his church that included a pretrib stand on the rapture. Apparently, they had to renew their signatures every year or so and, in the interim, he'd changed his view. Signing it would have required that he lie and not signing would have meant losing his pastorate in the church. Don't know what ultimately happened there, but there have been many, including Marvin Rosenthal who coined the phrase "prewrath" with his PreWrath Rapture of thChurch, who were forced to leave prominent positions when they changed their view. These pastors, ministry leaders, and professors are concerned about their professional lives — they can (and do) lose them.

Here is a condensed version of my chapter "Where Does Pretrib Come From?" from Before God’s Wrath: The Bible's Answer to the Timing of the Rapture that should help in answering point #1:

Where Does Pretrib Come From?

Where do people get the idea that there will be a pretribulation rapture? Despite the widespread misconception that the pretribulation view was held by the early church, pretribulationism is a modern interpretation. Although there has been much speculation about the influence of the visions of a young Scottish girl named Margaret Macdonald, the development of the pretribulation rapture is generally attributed to John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren, who formalized the theory around 1830.

Prior to this time, the return of Christ was seen as a singular event. Jesus would return to earth once, to rapture His Church, to redeem lost Israel, and to judge the wicked and rebellious world, and this was seen either as a midtribulational or posttribulational event. Darby was the first to formally theorize that Jesus would return in two stages: first in spiritual form to rapture the Church, then in bodily form seven years later to judge the world. This allowed Jesus to return triumphantly at Armageddon while keeping the Church out of the 70th Week.

Classic Bible scholars, including John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, John Knox, John Hus, John Calvin, Isaac Newton, John Wycliffe, and John Bunyan, among others, did not hold to a pretribulation rapture view.

A Little History

How did Darby's unusual interpretation of the scriptures win such widespread acceptance? In order to understand this, it is necessary to look at some of the issues surrounding the biblical scholarship of the time.

The Book of Revelation was not written until about 90 A.D. Thus, in the early church, any budding end-times theology would have arisen from the gospels and epistles. It is only John's detailed description of the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments—written more than three decades later—that allows readers to place Jesus' coming in the timeline of 70th Week events. When one considers only the gospels and epistles, a posttribulational rapture is the most reasonable interpretation, and indeed, the writings of the earliest church fathers indicate that the infant church was posttribulational. By the time Revelation began to circulate, clarifying the fine points of prophetic timing, the first century church was in the midst of dire persecution, and as John Walvoord has pointed out, such studies took a back seat to the very real tribulations of the day.