Some times the best way to understand different political views is is to understand the people entertaining the views.

I see that Hagere Ethiopia and VJ both detaste and hate the fudal system. This is a misguided and disguided as it is disoriented and misoriented. The feudal system is a system that must come and go. There is no choice. It is like a child has to go through teenage years. The feudal system in Ethiopia cannot be faulted for what is going today. It built us the country, it gacve us our history from Yohanes to Tewodros to Gragn Mohamed (a result of the feudal systm). The system can be faulted only when compared to a democratic system. But that wuould be wrong. It would be faulting a teenager by comparing him with a PHD holding 40 years old professor.

The question is what has communism given us. Negede Gobeze, Meles Tekle, Mengistu Hilemariam, Berhane Meskel Reda and Walelegn Somebody. All we got from them is destruction and not even one positive acomplishment. It burns me to see communists celebrating Adwa, for example, the beacon of feudalism in Ethiopia. Both VJ and Hagere Ethiopia come across as communists and they both seem to support democracy.

But more importantly, to understand Ethiopian politics we need to understand the difference between Hagere Ethiopia and VJ. What are the difference between them that does not allow them to work together? You may be tempted to say one is a hardliner and the other is a pragmatic. What is pragmatic and what is hardliner would be a begining point for a liberated discussion.

Mamo Qilo

Dear Mamo:
In the language of Law School, we say that assumption is unstated evidence; but if it is used properly, it can be a good link between the evidence and conclusion so as to market your argumen. Therefore which is the keywords that signal conclusion Hagere and VJ are evidence and conclusion; however, the assumption is Mamo. That shows the circle is completed. In othr words,
this will complete to make a good statement which is an argument that is in turn to persuade your opponents, all nations called Somalis, Oromos and afar to name a few.
Moreover, the deal is cooking of power sharing is in its gear between Beyene, your beloved one if that is not a lip service to mislead the southern people, and Prime Minister Meles. Thus is another signal keyword to invite not to quarrel with Gebre that will be in the helm of power in the next five years. You and I know that you are too old to wait another five years. I know also that you have all the elements of leadership to govern Ethiopia. The name of the game is to work on best one can play on the notion of self determination and right of any nation that is on the agenda. Beyene who left CUD 2 years years has figure out that he and Meles can be the roommate in the political power and exercise article 39 at the paper level so that they can rule the next five years ( this statement might surprise you since I hae done out of comraderie in the struggle of cyber land and help to focus on the real issue while you are working at the low level of cloning many names a la Sofia Lora )

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IObrahim,

I am truly confused. I understood neither the law school thing nor the political issue you are discussing. Can you help bridge the gap between Hagere Ethiopia and VJ?

Mamo Qilo

Dear Mamo:
You are confused, but you mind want to read what is good for your perception that is to ignore the facts and playing the excercise with opinions.
Evidence ( Hagere) + Assumption(Mamo) = conclusion(VJ). This is very simple equation that is solved by Gebre. I thought that you can put together a simple java language programme that will put in Hell Fire Gebre. This shows that Gebre outsmarted you.
In addition, the interpretattion of the equation is that the simple answer is Mamo who is lost in the middle of Beyene and Meles and does not want to approach his fellow country man, Gebre who might help him to bridge the gap between Article 39 (UEDF)and Dismantling the constitution(CUD).
This is called critical reading and it is required to read the text structurally and not word by word so as to change deadly text to living one.
Again, you should focus on the third point: First, CUD, second, cloning name and pretending to be a wise cyber bully and going around the bush and third to read critically and work with the reality at hand.
In other words, article 39 is the gist of all contention of power.

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Ibrahim,

As a lawyer you are excused for bungling up equations. A smart person would stick in his area of expertice. Small wonder that Gebre is the one who understood your bungeled up equation. Hagere (evidence) + Mamo (assumption) = VJ (conclusion).

I must ask you this: Which law school are you attending? They may be liable for miseducating you. Contact a malpractice lawyer.

Mamo QIlo

Dear Mamo:
I was trying to help you to figure out the political crisis that is going on in Ethiopia. However, you reminded me a certain MEISON cadre that I outsmarted him by reading democracia a la EPRP blended with dialectical historical materialism philosophy that put me ahead of Negede Gobeze foot soldier. MEISON cadre questioned me and wondered that the direction the country would be moving toward in the heyday of revolution. My answer was prompt and brief. I told him that I felt that we had one foot pushing firmly on the gas pedal, and the other jamming with equal force on the brakes. But that’s not going to get you anywhere fast ,he countered. The certain cadre undertood literally the statement and wondering where on earth the gas come from.
In the same line of thought, a fellow Somali who was arrested and brought to court while he was in the business of contreband did the same thing. A judge read a verdit and a certain Harari who claimed to be well versed in Amharic and Somali translated the verdict to the poor Somali. The Harari man translated word by word and not the main idea of the verdict. He went that while you were taking the good out of the country and Asralaka Belete told you to stop. You did not pay attention and kept going and on top of that, he used an Amahric proverb " Ye Zehone Joro Yesten Bilaju mehaduju". The translator said in Somali " You were told to stop, but you kept walking and asked for an elephant"
The poor Somali replied that he did not see any elephant at the scene. The judge and the translator and the attendees left with surprise. Then, he was sentenced without knowing the verdict, but today Somali Ethiopian are in the court. Therfore, I should collect the damage that was inflicted on my people from Mamo and his fellow country men.

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Ibrahim,

I have been wondering about the source of your confusion. Now I got it. You sait "it is reading democracia a la EPRP blended with dialectical historical materialism philosophy that put me ahead of Negede Gobeze foot soldier." The only problem is that Negede was also reading dilectical historical materialism menamen (to quote Ethiopian). No wonder why both of you are confused souls. What dilectical materialism gave us is diabolical leaders. Meles is only one of the results.

Mamo Qilo

Qilo,

I have been following your conversation with Ibrahim Shirdon. I think you are getting sillier. Come to the point and let's discuss.That is this forum is all about.


Nestanet

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City: Atlanta

Netsanet,

I am gald you have been following my messages. Every body tells me I am silly and all that yet, still cannot resist the temptation to read every thing I write. It is not by accidnet. My friend it is by design. Tell me a single point that Ibrahim wrote in the last two messages. Pure nonesense. I see that he is a confused person and I tought dilectical materialism may be the reason. How else would one bbrag about dilectical materialism after communism was done with and the Berlin wall has collapsed and Russia and China are becoming America wanna be? This may be a hard reality for old communists to swallow. But this is a fact that you cannot refute. Help me understand what Ibrahim is trying to say. What is his point.

Mamo QIlo

Mamo Qilo,

Communism is dead after what happened to Soviet Union and Germany. Now, communism exists in dictionary and history books. Even China is following a modified socialism.

Having said this much about communism, I just wanted to remind you that the so called communism we hate today used to be a popular ideology in the 60's and 70's. Civil liberties and labor unions took it as their ideology. Ethiopians were not exception to this. Ethiopian students and later political organizations followed it.So, I think we need to take this into consideration whenever we throw comments on this issue.

Nestanet

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Netsanet,

We all understand communism is done, delvered lifeless. What surprised me is that Ibrahim still brags about diabolical maerialism philosophy. Can you believe that?

Mamo Qilo

Dear Ethiopian:
The Western Universties that are bragging to bury communism are still teaching their social science student Karl Marx and the philosophy of Dialectical historical materialism. This has nothing to do with communism, but it has to do as being a tool to analyze society. In other words, these are one of the best tool to analyze and study society in the mode of production. For example, when I was studying the PhD program, I was assigned to read Karl Marx versus Adam Smith and they are presented as the most thinkers of Western World. They helped us to compare the economic condition of capitalism and other form of political system. Let us not pretend that we did not know what the World Bank and IMF are doing on the developing world.
Moreover, the people who are in the driver seat of CUD such as Fassika of former EPRP could not be ignored. These are the result of EPRP and most of the Ethiopian students have being exposed to the school of thought of marxism and lenism and they have gained a best way of looking society and national questions. They are not busy with names of the people and personalize issues.
It seems that Mr. Mamo knows very well that analyzing issues in the context of dialetic framework and in a historical background will give a sounding and scientific result.
For example, if we put Somali Ethiopian issues and put in the context of national questions book of Stalin, CUD will see better what Somali people aim at achieving namely the nation factor, languages issues, territorial and the spychological make up of the ethnic Somali who live in that region.

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Ibrahim,

I am not college educated. No BA, no MA and no PHD for me. My take, however is that the primary reason for the collapse of the soviet system is lack of a sound economic analytical tool. Marx never wrote any philosophical or paractical framework for comunist economic system. He never claimed he did. What he wrote is a critic of the capitaalist system. If there was any comunist economic framework it was developed by Liontef (sp?) in one of the American universities. Adam Smit's wealth of nation is still alive and kicking. Marx's critic of it has been proven useless as a philosopical or analytical tool. Russia and China are teaching their children the wisdom of Smith, not Marx. They do not want to hear about this rascal.

Mamo Qilo

Mr. Mamo:
You and I know that you have master degree, but you are still in the mindset of mischeif and misleading Ethiopian. We are in the twenty first century and please be aware that you will only fool yourself. I will advise you taht you will be frank and discuss the issues at hand.
Somali Ethiopian will not be fooled. As I am writing this comment, I am listening BBC Somali Service and it says that more 800 Somali Ethiopian students have graduated from Universities, colleges and technical this morning and awarded its degree, diplomas and certificates.
In the time of your old system that you adore as idol, less 10 Somali Ethiopian students have graduated from universities. That is a sad facts that will never be repeated in Ethiopia and no wonder we are supporting Meles Zenawi. My message to your organization , CUD, is that you will never rule Somali Region unless you acknowledge the reality at hand.

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Ibru,

How do you know I have Masters degree, and not PhD? Or just only BA? Please believe me when I say I do not have college education, but I am very well read and can put most college educated fools to shame. By the way you and I were talking about Das Kapital. How did you switch to school graduation. It is OK to admit once in a while by simply saying, Yes, Mamo you are right and I was wrong. Tyr it, it is not difficult. You and I have debated in many areas and in all cases you have dodged the debate and came back with a new topic which always rests on anecdots rather than substance. The issue of CDD and EPRDF is not how many Somali's graduated, it is how many Ethiopians voted for CUD. That is how democratic results are established.

By the way why did you fail to reconcile your views with Lencho. Please go to two threads (a) reconciling Ibrahim and Lencho and (b) reconciling Ibrahim with VJ and share your views. Stop dancing with anecdots and deal with substance.

Mao Qilo

Mamo( Haile Goshu):
Your friend will be deported to Ethiopia, the land of jsutice and democracy. You might be also deported if Gebre and I work on the petition.

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Ibrahim,

You made Gebremenamen's day, without necessarily disappointing me. Gebremenamen is happy to see a soul stand by him.

YOu are still running away from substantive discussion. You introduced me with VJ saying that he speaks the truth. But when he spoke the truth, you suggested that he has been cloned by me. It is not surpriseing to see you run away from intelectuals such as VJ and run into the arms of militia intellegentia, aka gebremenamen. Even your PHD and JD could not save you from this downfall. It is sad to see you distance yourself from VJ and go into the armpit of gebremenamen. Good living. Soon I will add you to my ignore list and you will share the list with the likes of Hagere Ethiopia. Whay are you afraid to reconcile yourself with VJ and Lencho? Stand up ike scholar and stop being a member of the militai intelegentia.

Mamo Qilo

"For all religious people the only true religion is the one that they worship, all the rest are nothing, but superstition"
Karl Marx

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Alexiye nefse,
I just visualised you crying like a baby. I posed a dozen of questions, and yet you didn't dare to answer even one. Like your master you rushed to brand me as a derg....phew, alexiye this is an old old as old as weyane trick to silence different opinion....Alex, targa meletef is no more working. You raised the switzerland and canada experience. Your analogy does not stand. You also confuse ethnic politics with national identity. We Ethiopians have one and only one national identity and that is Ethiopianism, but we do have over 80 ethnic groups. You are first Ethiopian and then Oromo, Tigre, Sidama, Welayta, Amhara what have you. In Ethiopia today there is NO federalism. What we have is TPLF dictatorship. All the so called kilil bosses are EPRDF members and all done by orders issued from TPLF. You are too bold to compare Weyane's dictatorship with switzerland and canada federalism. Radical decentralization is one thing setting Switzerland's political structure apart from others; the other chief distinction is its commitment to direct democracy, as opposed to representative democracy. In the federal structure and throughout the cantons, any legislative act may be sent to referendum by means of a petition carrying a certain number of signatures. Citizens' initiative is pervasive too, though the bar is usually somewhat higher; draft a law, convince some of your fellow citizens of its wisdom, win the resulting referendum and it goes right into the books. For the Swiss citizen, this means constant voting and discussion of individual political issues. Alex, many participating on this forum are well informed and educated Ethiopians. You may be able to cheat a DENKOPRO guy like mamo Qilo, but you can never ever cheat anyone else here by simply saying, "it is like the switzerland", "it is like the canada system". Weyane the last 14 years tried to cheat by simply citing countries. Even recently the MONSTER in his interview with the BBC was calling countries and repeatedly said, "in france, in england" blah blah. If you have watched that program, the journalist simply laughed....yetizibt smile neber yasayew. Alex, your days are numbered. It is all over. Kewedeku behuala meferaget lemelalat silehone you better accept your defeat.

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Hagere Ethiopia,

You are now coming as Aster H/M to accuse me of offending the Oromo. How come not a single Oromo came to suggest I offended them? Would you permit the Moderator to verify your IP to check if you are not Aster H/M. If Moderator confirms that you are not aster, I promise not to post anything on this forum for one month. Can you give the moderator authorizatin to check and verify?

I have rendered you lifeless and you have found it difficult to move on.

Ankasa Doror

Mamo Qilo:
You never ever cease surprising me. Why do you care about the identity of Aster, Goitom etc. Why don't you just try to respond to what is commented on your comment. Why do you resort to name calling and mud slinging. I, Goitom Medhane, could be aster, gemechu, mamo qilo whatever, why do you WORRY to know the identity of the person who posts against you. Let the different ideas collide and that collusion will bring a lively impression of truth. Come on Mamo try to grow up, just attack the opinion, not the person. Hagere Ethiopia is very smart in exposing your ignorance and arrogance. Anytime something against your comment is posted, you flare up and say "this should be Hager Ethiopia blah blah blah..." This is non sense. I now imagine you saying ummmmmmmmmm....Goitom is also Hagere Ethiopia. Let us say it is true. SO WHAT???!!! You need to resort to a focussed effort to convey your message. Stop mud slinging and name calling. You just state the facts and the facts will speak for themselves. I presume you resort to name calling anytime when you are out of ideas. It should be when you become tongue tied. Anytime you run out of ideas, you take comfort from your empty talks like "I rendered him life less". "I bruised him", "I shattered his ego". ALL THESE ARE HOT AIR.

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