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Tim Clark implies that EPRDF has the majority

Mr. Clarke spoke of his fear that if the majority [i.e., EPRDF] do not address some of the problems of the opposition “then Ethiopia would be in trouble for some time ahead, with very unpredictable consequences.”

Mr. Clarke, the process is not even completed, why do you say the EPRDF has the majority?! The opposition leaders trusted him to be fair, but he is stabbing them in the back.

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Wednesday July 27, 2005

Delegation Head expresses fear and hope
By Bruck Shewareged, Capital Magazine

In an exclusive interview with Capital, European Union (EU) Delegation Head, Mr. Timothy Clarke, has described the post-election situation in Ethiopia as full of difficulties and tensions.

Mr. Clarke pointed out that there was a basic lack of trust between the main competing parties including the ruling Ethiopian People Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF).

According to him, there is also distrust towards the authorities running the election process on the part of the opposition parties. “This” he said, “has colored the entire electoral process from the beginning.”

“It is not clear”, he added, “whether the opposition parties will agree once the results are finalized, and the consequences of that could be very difficult for the government and the country.”

Speaking of potential scenarios for the final outcome, Mr. Clarke said that there were three possibilities, of which the easiest would be that everyone agrees on the final result of the May 15 national elections, and that opposition parties take their seats in the new parliament, resulting in the formation of a new government.

The second scenario, according to the EU Delegation head, is that opposition parties reject the results and their members refuse to sit in the Parliament and boycott government programmes, but don’t disrupt business, choosing to watch the process from outside.

As for the third scenario, in which the opposition not only boycott the next Parliament, but the 40-45 percent of the population that did not vote for the government starts protesting through violence or non-violent means. Mr. Clarke spoke of his fear that if the majority do not address some of the problems of the opposition “then Ethiopia would be in trouble for some time ahead, with very unpredictable consequences”.

Speaking of his current involvement in the post election negotiations Mr. Clarke noted that one of his tasks was to see what formula could be agreed upon between all the parties to ensure that any future government adequately addresses the views of society correctly, so that there is no “dislinkage” between government and society.

He explained that, at the moment, it was difficult to guess “whether the government is going to seek some sort of reconciliation with the opposition parties or assert its right to govern, whichever way it prefers, since it’s [been] given the mandate by the people. That is the 64,000 dollars question.”

What makes the situation more difficult, according to Mr. Clarke, is the mutual distrust that both sides have towards one another, which can partly be attributed to personalities and partly to policy differences. “Government says that unless the opposition parties play by the rules agreed upon, there is no point in sitting together and discussing things, [especially] while the opposition argues that […] they are under harassment, with their members being injured and detained. To sit and talk, when the mood of distrust is at large, will bring nothing.”

He emphasized that the situation calls for magnanimity, statesmanship and for politicians to swallow their scruples and try and find consensus: “They should find the modus operandi between now and the formation of the new government of whatever color, so that the ground rules are established and preparations made to make sure it starts in good shape.”

Linking the Ethiopian system to the global one, Mr. Clarke said that, once in parliament, the parties would have to conform to other parliamentary democracies throughout the world. “There shouldn’t be any pre-empting by the existing government on parliamentary procedures, major budget reallocation, changing the status of organizations etc….” According to the standard procedures of parliamentary democracies, no major decisions can be made unless with the proper consultation with the new parliament.

However, Mr. Clarke made his fears clearly known, by saying that the government is currently sending the wrong signal when taking major decisions, such as it redefining the distribution of powers between Addis Ababa – which the Coalition of Unity and Democracy (CUD) won – and the federal government. Although the EPRDF representatives he spoke with “believe that what they have done is fully in line with their policy”, he still holds that it is a misjudgment.

With regards to the new parliamentary code of conduct passed by the outgoing Parliament before it was dissolved, Mr. Clarke said that it is his firm belief that only the new Parliament should decide on the procedures by which it is to be governed. Any decision taken by the previous Parliament, which does not necessarily correspond to the views of the main competing parties, will be a cause of tension, perhaps permanent tension, and probably cause the in-coming Parliament to cease function effectively. As to the use of the media, which is one of the thorny issues where the ruling EPRDF and opposition parties are diametrically opposed, Mr. Clarke said that there is hope that some kind of agreement can be reached within a very short time.

He disclosed that, in the last 10-12 days, he had attempted to get “some sort of code of conduct or agreement on basic principles on how the parties should use the media, i.e. the line they should use, the integrity of their activities, the use of hate language of ethnic intolerance etc…”

Mr. Clarke said that the parties are now on the verge of agreement on the issue, “I am hoping to have a meeting tomorrow [Saturday, July 23] with all the parties to finalize the text” he said.

“It is quite a complicated decision, but I think all the parties [have] now found a common line.”

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this what Mr Tim Clark said

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NEBE conducting well investigation process under difficult circumstances :EU
Addis Ababa, 7/28/2005

Head of Delegation of the European Commission to Ethiopia says the National Electoral Board of Ethiopia (NEBE) has been well conducting the investigation process in difficult circumstances. He also urged political parties in the country to work closely with in the context of the constitution.

Tim Clarke told ENA on Thursday that given the constraints in Ethiopia, the electoral board has done remarkable job in trying to bring the process to a satisfactory end.

He has urged the opposition parties to stay with the course of the investigation and finish the process.

Clarke said that the international community would help try to identify how to address those problems in a way that gives satisfaction to opposition parties and the people voted for them if the oppositions are not happy with the results.

He said any thing, which attempts to turn the process, will cause even more anxiety and tension and potentially could lead to crisis.

Clarke said there would be a very high number of representatives of the opposition parties in the parliament, which he said, is a unique occasion for Ethiopia.

He said the international community strongly believes that the opposition parties should take up their seats in the parliament and work in a constructive way.

Citizens of the country expect the politicians to resolve problems in a sensible and rational way rather than ending up in hostility, he said adding that parties concerned should find common language to solve the problems.

Dialogue and peaceful negotiations are the way to overcome disputes, according to Clarke.

He said observation team of the EU has had various allegations of harassments from the opposition parties.

Each of the initially 26 Complaint Investigation Panels (CIPs) was accompanied at least by one international observer either from the EU, Carter Center or the African Union, according to Clarke.

He said it is regrettable that there are some cases in which the international observers were not present due to limited numbers of international observers.

Clarke said the international observers would produce reports in due course whether the process is free and fair, adding that the allegations of the opposition parties would be addressed then and would be brought to the attention of the authority.

''I myself participated in one investigation in one area to see how it worked. It was a fascinating and unique process as no other country in the world has gone through the same process like here,'' he said.

It was professionally managed and chaired by NEBE, he said.

He, however, said there is profound concern on the part of opposition parties that electoral board has not been independent. "I don't have evidences to support that allegation," he added.

''The ruling party has to understand they (opposition parties) should be inclusive and the policy should reflect very much the mood of the elected and take in to account oppositions' views,'' Clarke said.

''I will pass the message to the opposition parties that the international community would try to support everything they are doing to be integrated in to over all process, but the oppositions themselves have to be clear in their minds of what they want,'' he added.

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Source: ENA

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Mr. Tim Clark, what complicated the matter is EU & US lack of will to intervene and correct the cheating that was taking place by NEB and the ruling party, right under your collective noses.

Mr. Tim Clark, you have the audacity to prognosticate the ramification of what could happen in Ethiopia from here on.

Mr. Tim Clark, you lack the chutzpa and the fortitude to call a spade a spade and declare the electoral process defective and uncertifiable,

Mr. Tim Clark, you would be well advised if you refrained from your pretentious commentary about Ethiopia’s future and stop speaking with both sides of your mouth and seeking redemption.

Mr. Tim Clark, the people of Ethiopia are extremely angry and as they find themselves once again betrayed by the “civilized” west.

Mr. Tim Clark, from here on what happens in Ethiopia is no concern of your since you have effectively contributed to the inevitable consequences.

Mr. Tim Clark, just pack-up, go home, and take a long hiatus.

Mr. Tim Clark, just make sure you don’t forget to attend Mr. Melse Zenawi’s Yara award ceremony. He will be delighted to have you sitting in the front row, when the Prime Minister you appointed receives his award!

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Yea Everybody knows whom Mr. Tim Clark stands for.
But what a known fact is who the hell in the world is the prime minster of one country stands and defends the interests of a foreign country? Shame on him.Concerning Mr. Clark, he is serving not us we know it he is serving the interest of his country.But the thing is GOD is with us."Enante ezih dires yemitmetut ande(1) neger sitfelgu bicha new" alesh tayitu.

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Jackie,

Taitu was right then and still right today!

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It is amazing Meles's ability to convince to the white people. He has a very special magic trick gifted by GOD or by TENKWAY. I do not know how that magic is not working for Ethiopians. Is Mr Tim Clarke receiving Millions of Dollars from TPLF's Leader Meles Zenawi? He (Tim) might get 7000 US dollars a month that will charged probably to Ethiopian people for his “free international observer work” plus expenses, hotels etc. But, since he started receiving millions of pounds or dollars then he changed the course of his point and logic. Let's see how long will take his obstruction to justice in Ethiopia against Ethiopian People. For the time being Meles's Dollar magic is working in favour of Dismantling Ethiopian unity and Ethiopian people the same way the white people done 14 years ago. 1st Eritrea, 2nd Oromia, 3rd Tigray and so on. Mr Clark keep supporting Meles and you will keep getting millions of pounds.

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The Europeans are turning their back on CUD and UEDF, and the Ethiopian people. What a bunch of hypocrites! The mistake CUD and UEDF made was to trust them in the first place. Lidetu Ayalew turns out to be wiser than all the doctors and engineers in the CUD and UEDF leadership.

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Europeans want to see Ethiopia dying. Hiding the truth they (Europeans) are saying that we (Ethiopians) have to accept EPRDF has won. We knew from the outset that the EU or other westerners would not help us much. Clark has clearly told us his hidden agenda (leading the country to crisis by supporting EPRDF). But he has to know that we do not listen to him. CUD and EUDF have won the election. That is it.

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What do you all excpect from outsiders. They do not care what has been done or what is going to be done as long as they get what they want. When it comes to Africa, they talk about half Democracy. Whatever they do and are going to do, I personally do not trust them. We have long and ongoing history that they have been stabbing ethiopian people on the back. Therefore, the true Ethiopians must give their heart and mind to our creator God/Alah. That is the only thing we have left now. What happen election 97 or 2005, not only a person with two eyes even a blind person can joudge on it. Whay a half Democracy when it comes to Africa? The answer is not from Tony Blair or Prisdient Bush. The answer is from God. Let us keep it that way.

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Don’t be surprised my fellow countrymen. The whites have turned their backs to us since a long time ago. They have made it clear from the very beginning that Ethiopia has experienced the most democratic election in history and the opposition have won many seats they have never dreamed about. So, their conclusion is that shut the f... up and negotiate with the tyranny.

One has not to deny that we need the whites. The whites can relieve or aggravate our suffering depending upon their interest, the time factor, power balance etc. But we, on the other side, have to know that the fate of Ethiopia and Ethiopians will be decided by only Ethiopians. Stop whining over the whites conspiracy and stand together, organise yourselves and fight for democracy and justice. This the only way to get rid of the devil on power.

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I don't get it. Tim Clark and most of his collegues are not interested to get the real solution. It is obvious that EPRDF is manipulatig the outcome, they gunned peacefull demonstrators 36, they startde with their 5yr plan before the official outcome of the vote and the NEBE was/is assigned by EPRDF. again doubble standard (remember Giorgia and Ukraine). We have to fight to the bitter end. shame to Europe and US.

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who is this guy who tells us what to do? I tried to search his profile on the web and couldn't find any. is he hired by EPRDF or NEB?
Hey Tim clark, here is my advice for you. Pack your stuff and leave before it is late. We know how to handle our own problems. You are just there to add fuels to the problem and weaken us.



Dany

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I am not surprized to Mr.Tim Klerk to say this at this sensetive time of Ethiopia.

What i believe here after is that the game with EU and US is over. It is up to them to follow us or leave us.

It is the legitimate right of the Ethiopian people to change the Dectator and be lead by its own choices. If we are determinent to lead the people, whom elected, we will wine and EU and US will come again, surly.

Therefore, do not give your ear to white deplomats whom are chasing on our right for their own interest. After all, it is also a matter of individual vacancy.

CUD/UEDF should be close more that any time and lead the people!! Start by descussions all over and call for a support, then the world will see how Ethiopians are with the opposition.

Peace to all,

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THAT WAS THE FACT starting from may 16!!!
Really sorry for all of you in the chatting room....
If the truth comes from the trusted international observers ... you all start to bark on them like your bosses! shame! Atafrum?
The CUD and the EUDF were misleading not only you but also them...Brothers don't bark simply with out checking a fraction of the truth of our people..... at the end yastezazbal!! gin atafrum degmo...all confused and odd minded....ashamed of my people...

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I wasn't happy the way U.E.D.F & C.U.D. negotiated the investigation process in the first place.
The leaders made an error of judgement.Instead of the ETHIOPIAN people they tried to lobby the foreign powers.
Let it be known to our enemy & friends.Our country is at a cross road."Come hell high water"we will determine our kids future.
The people of ETHIOPIA will rize up to the historical calling & seize the opportunity to renew their valour & honour.
God bless ETHIOPIA & its beautiful people.
Hell for tyrant Meles & co.

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To Asku -
It is you who are shameless, kersam. If you are a beneficiary of EPRDF, you don't bother about others. If woyane doesn't kill & intimidate a member of your family, you don't care about others. Hell to you & woyanes.

Regarding the intervention of foreigners, Ethiopians must learn a lot from their invitation Meles in G-8 summit with leaders who are engaged in maintaining justice in this planet, the yara awards at this critical point of time. King Theodros commited suicide not to surrender hto British men. Ethiopians must not be submisive to these external forces as long as they are against justice. They have to learn their aid doesn't alleviate the real problems of Ethiopians rather it aggravated to 50% of the population to be aid seeking. Ethiopians need justice rather than aid.

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Dear Ethiopians,
The struggle will continue. We know this EU, US and UK are doing on Zimbabwe. They want Zimbabwe to Surrender to their supremesy. Rhodesian superiority. White superiority even in their country. we do expect at all from them.
So we need to know it is the people of Ethiopia interest which matters. This particular man has tried to ignore the people of Ethiopia interest, tried to speak of how the oppositions are wrong if they say NEBE is impartial (envite him HARDTalk), tried as well to separate the interest of the people from that of the oppositions. Is he WOYANE himself? We need to continue our struggle with Woyanes. WE know the people will win always.

God bless our country

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I didnt get where Mr. Clark is got the "40-45% of the people who is not voting for the EPRDF" trust me Mr. Clark It is more than 90% of the people who is not voting for the EPRDF okay ,even hadn't a gun been pointed on the Tigray people during the voting process I assure you that It would 've been 100% of the people who would be against that old regime EPRDF.
Trust me there is not place in the world who is gonna vote for EPRDF, who is letting its own people down especially the people of Badme and the surrounding okay. I am telling u your arbitration is coming to over okay.There is no place in the world where u like to live in it but the people of Ethiopia is hating to live in it, that the current government is serving not its own people but the people outside of its territory.No where in the world, i am telling u. It is never seen in the history of the world. The leader of a country should serve the people who elected it.The people of Ethiopia is alwayz suffering from hunger while the people of Egypt is getting more than 3 billion Dollars for planting the desert land and filling the EU markets with fruits, with our water.But the ethiopians get a million dollar which is nothing even a millionar guy would do it let alone a country.Shame on EU and US.

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Until now, Ethiopians are the only people in Africa who have little problem with Europeans. As they didn't officially sold our people and colonize our country the way they did towards the rest of Africa, we have had no deep problem with them. In recent years almost everyone northern, eastern and other parts of Africa with Muslim population have disagreements with deep hate behind, only the Ethiopians have no problem with them. The reason why first we have no deep-rooted problem with them instead we have long relationship for many years. Second until meles took power the country was known as a Christian nation and we assume that we have the same religion. But since they instated a gorilla leader to rule us, the Ethiopian people was watching them with suspicious. Right now when the country faces very critical point concerning the vote rigging by the ruling party they restored 14 years a go without consulting the Ethiopian people, they clearly have chosen to steak with a little evil creature (meles) to assist them for their secret agenda they might have in our country.
They must understand that their wrong move against Ethiopia could hurt the Ethiopian people in the short term. But in the long term it will be their turn. Ethiopia is the second populated country in Africa. The country is surrounding by Islamic nations. Thanks to meles naziawi, the country became an Islamic nation, too. Because of little meles hate driven rule, the general situation in the country will be worst than what is now. The people will say enough living with international help while the country is the water tower of Africa. All these reasons boiling together in people’s mind will create very deep hate and anti western feeling among the population. This feeling will not stop only in the country but will spread to the globe. We know the reason to the birth and rise of Islamic terrorism against the west. So, I’m afraid if meles Zenawi again illegally restored by US and EU as T. Clark is working hard to do so, the over 70 million Ethiopians will have very big problem with the cause in this case with EU, rather than with little evil meles who is a slave to them doing what they asked him to do.
Again I’m afraid, the biggest country among east, north and south Africa (Ethiopia) going to be the fresh breading nation for terrorism. Neither little meles nor EU with their second hand cloth or genetic modification maize as pretext will stop this. But Only the Ethiopian people. The Ethiopian people need to decide their future by themselves. Not by western individuals who have benefits from it at the expense of the Ethiopian people.
T. Clark or any official from EU must understand that the Ethiopian people are not as you are wrongly thinking off. They may sees as poor, weak, beggar, sick and etc. But the reality is more than that. It is in their soul far from material gain as you are valuing people according to this human made phenomena. I think the people know you very well than you are imagining about the people. Before it is too late, T. Clark or any one must stand with the people and give the right testimony about the vote rigging by the Govt. To analyse T.clark's stand was enough when he applauded the hand picked NEB by little meles for their very devastated work to the nation. I think he made his decision even before the election was started(15 may). Now he is in a hurry using the form of warning or advising the opposition and the brave Ethiopian people to accept the unelected Meles to rule them in order the hunger, misery, harassment, killing etc in the country continue. I think the source of the dollar from TPLF is draying out. and he would get no reason to stay in the country even for a minute. Instead he would declare little meles as winner as soon as possible and go back from where he came from to consume what he got from meles for his secret job. We know he and the rest of foreign observers, journalists, advisers and any one from the west gets treatments by Meles in the country where the vas majority of the population is living with less than 30 cents a day. All this is just to get illegal and wrong supports from them. This way of benefit both sides did work very well causing very devastated results to the Ethiopian people for the last 14 years. But now the people are already waked up. They are now the guardian to the nation matters. They are watching carefully and ready to take measures if it is necessary. Their pain and death will never continue being the luxury life to others.
The Ethiopian people will never accept meles to rule them with out their wish, Period. No opposition party or no true Ethiopian will accept the conspiracy made by little meles and NEB supporting by people like T.Clark. The Ethiopian people and the oppositions together will continue giving everything to solve the current problem peacefully. If this process is not acceptable by the foreign restored little meles, the people will rise up. They will take their matter on their hands. No one will rule them from hiding in nation palaces and big offices. They need leaders not rulers.
I thing EU will benefit more if the Ethiopians get good leaders rather than restore criminal leaders to cause misery, to harass people and to destroy the country. We are curious what the US are going to say or do about this matter. We hope they will steak with the truth understanding the long-term benefit from it. Ethiopian will continue standing side by side with US in the fight against terrorism. This will happen only if US gives respect to the Ethiopian people. What the people need right now is their vote must be respected. They don’t want rule by a criminal who was a gorilla leader for years. They don’t want to rule by some one who is ruling the country with division. They don’t want to rule by a criminal who has lots of crime against the interest of the Ethiopian people. It is the time not only the Ethiopian people but the US if the EU wants for them too, to benefit together or lose together. If the Ethiopian people lose their vote to have good leaders, in the long term the US also will lose. If the people get what they deserved to get, then the US will benefit strait away.
So, I’m optimistic and yet curious about US stands with the election issue. EU, think again. Don’t support a leader you know very well he does not deserve to become a leader. Go back and analyse the whole election process. About TPLF leaders and little evil Mele’s past. EU, face the reality. Your seams to me careless and simple decision about the work of NEB and EPRDF together will have very devastated results to millions of Ethiopians. Where is your humanity. The Ethiopian people know very well this is the work of few EU representatives. The people of EU is always for the truth.

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Westerners gave us lame democracy. If we have same democracy as thiers, then they will lose their superiority. We have to be somehow less in democracy than theirs. If they disliked meles, they could have spoken againnst him long before we did.

Meles strives to fulfill the interests of his native ethnic group and the West. He doesnt bother about the survival of ethiopia. And they like that.

Mentioning the term election and allocating money for it alone is enough for them. It is great for them when they fall-in-love with such ******* as meles.

God protect ethiopia and its peoples.

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Tsehay,
Well written. I appreciate that. But do not try to cheat yourself on the stand of the US on Ethiopia. Us has already given green light to Meles Naziawi. They have started donations and other apparantely and seemingly support to drought through the USAID by Bazelia, the ambassador. The recen visit of the US army general to Ethiopia is another greeen light to Woyane. We have become second citizines in our own land and we do not know what really is going on dear Ethiopians. If things continue like this and ended up the passive agression of the people of Ethiopia will be a good abd heavenly site for terrorism with the neigbouring Somalia. But this will previal in the neat future if the people of Ethiopia is betrayed the Westerns like this.
We need to raise up our voic against them. GET UP STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHT.

God Bless our country

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It seems to me the US policy has prevailed and EU has succumbed to the pressure exerted by the US.

The opposition ha played its card right thus far. It has been open to negotiation. It has shown its interest and willingness to protest in a peacful manner. Above all it has stood firm on a principled ground. This is a sign of maturity, strength and political savy.

The people have spoken and they know their voices are being stolen by EPRDF. Ethiopia has reached a point of no return. There is no way that EPRDF can rule the way it had in the past. And no way that it can steal the vote. I see turbulance days ahead.

Submitting to EPRDF wishes is not going to help one bit. As I have been saying armed looters are not likely to give up their booty. The day the opposition rejects the outcome and call for a peaceful rally would be the begiing of the end of EPRDF. Mark this word.

Mamo Qilo

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I think we shouldn't trust the European because they're the one who suppored the Meles dictatorial government by the apporoving the the ethnic based consitutiion and parlament. The other main agenda for the US & European is the Eritrea agenda, because if the opposition win they know that will be strong to preserve the ethiopian national interest. And if meles stays they will finish boarder marking and then normalization and eritrea will start sucking ethiopian resources. So, I beleive the log term Europe and US agenda and stratey is to keep meles and so, Eritera could take economical and political advantage. I think we the ethiopian people with the help of god we shall overcome this consiparacy

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Clark's view is not his personal view point. It reprsents the position that the West has taken regarding the regime in Ethiopia. The West see in Melse what it does with Pakistan's strong man, President Musharef.

Melse has shown his committement to serve the West as a client state in the war against terrorism. He has shown the willingness to go into any length including war to protect Western interest in the region. In return the West would protect him to cling to power and steal as it did, for example, with Zaire's Mobutu, Malawi's Dr Banda and Somali's Said Bare, during the cold war era.

As the saying goes a bird in hand (the Melese regime)is better than two in the bush (the opossion that the West does not know). It is up to the opposition and the supporters to falsfy this short sighted Western conclusion.

This can be done in two ways. One, continue to stand firm and weaken the ruling junta's grip to power. Second, keep contact with EU and American policy makers and continue to show the implication of supporting the dictatorial government of Melese grave. Ethiopia could fragment and the country might become a hot bed of criminals and terrorists.

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dont terste eropians because they are the one that started forced to colnize all corneres of human bening.they say they are cristine!who subject another human being as cristin? who is a terireost Iam sure europe is a moter of a terorest of all!! they killied so maney inocenet indegenous poeple in africa,middle east america.aoustralia,all coreners of the globe.they want thir supiriority by any means nessory to continue thats waht hppen in zembabew.for long in south africa ,...melse in ethiopia is agent of white man.

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Yastersereyal,

Tsehaye have written deeper than what you thinks of about. Doesn’t matter what the US ambassador or a single military official doing currently in Ethiopia, you have to see the wider picture. Politics in US is not working the same we do in Ethiopia. They are working closely with you not only to indorse but also to reject you completely. They are not people like us throwing away what they have with out knowing exactly they will get another. To their benefit, if there is nothing to choose, they are dealing with the worst. If there comes the bad, they choose the bad from the worst. Then they choose the good, then the better and the final goal is to have the best. Doesn't matter how it is, they prefer to engage rather than cut all ties and lose all meanness to be sure about what is going on in a nation, organization or individual they are looking for. If the oppositions and especially the people rise up with determination for specific outcome, today's US policy towards Ethiopia will be dramatically switched to the interest of the people. US is a nation always believes to have strong and liable ally. We know and US itself knows little evil Meles is not strong. But to show his weakness not only as a leader to an old and big country Ethiopia but as a human being must be the work of the Ethiopian people. This very important job is perfectly conducted by brave Ethiopians in Diaspora especially in the US. There are more than 600,000 Ethiopians in US. Many of them have influences in US politic, economic, social and cultural developments. So, these brave Ethiopians will never get rest even for a second from persuading the US govt, members of the Senate, congress and the people in general about what is going on in Ethiopia. They know perfectly about present the time and condition to act to benefit their country rather than listening and watching their people starving and disrespecting by the world media. This brave Ethiopians in America know very well they have tremendous influence in US govt rather than the lie an work by evil little creature-meles. I think, that is why Tsehay has a positive attitude towards the US politic in Ethiopia rather than the EU. Despite their number, Ethiopians in Europe except some countries like other immigrants have no strong political or economic influences in the country they are living. As a result, some voices by the Ethiopians in Europe would be seen by some EU officials like birds’ noise that have no power to protect their cheeks from the snake.
I also as Tsehay am optimistic about US final decision on the current Ethiopian situation. It will be decided not by US but by the Ethiopian people in US and in the country. If we show them and others in practical ways about the people vote will never stolen by a criminal and this criminal will never rule as long as we are alive, not only US but those seems to have no respect for the Ethiopian people will be our allies and friends. So, don't concentrate how the US is doing right now with some isolated cases, we have to concentrate on big pictures. No matter when or how, the people's vote must be respected. This must be our goal. Ethiopia will never ruled by a criminal who is stolen their vote to rule them. A little criminal will never rule our country from his familiar hiding place, the public palace. Criminal groups will never share high position posts by themselves to cause misery. The Ethiopian people must understand this and must be very strong, determine and result looking. Bluffing like a dog against little evil rule will bring us nothing except worsen the situation. We have to unite as one force and take practical actions such as peaceful demonstration through out the country. The same time Ethiopians in Diaspora must demonstrate to show strong support to the Ethiopian people in the country. The international media must be invited to cover any event happening in the country. Unless little evil will commit grave crime and hide it as he did the past 30 years started from mountains and valleys he was living and learning from snakes, foxes, hyenas, vultures, monkeys and other killers to apply on us.

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I think i cannot clearly speak the difference between T.clark and Ethiopian Election Board,what ever EEB and T.CLak speaks not far from saying one party is the leader the winer but you can see and speak no one have won

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Tola, Thanks so much for your deeper explanation. I agree with you that the US foreign office knows even much more about every move in Ethiopia than most Ethiopians. It is undeniable fact that the pressure the US exerts on the little evil Meles would have a tremendous effect on the general out come of the struggle against the ruling Woyanes.
However, I do not believe the necessary change will not be achieved unless the Ethiopians in US start to show their opposition against the current attitude of the US and EU very urgently to curb it to the interest of the people of Ethiopia before it gets too late. I believe Ethiopia will only be free from the infectious ethnic idealogy of Woyane only by struggle of Ethiopians. And not by US or EU. We have usually a dangerous tendency to rely on them and wait for their for their opinion instead of a exerting a constant presssure on them and the ruling woyanes. It is only the people of Ethiopia and the opposition parties who are reponsible to bring about victory. Then we a re sure all the rest of the world will follow us. I hope we need to start urgent protests agains EU and US positions especially in the US. Meles has called on the opposition parties and given them a sort of hard time("HardTalk") and gave them order to accept the vote. Who is he after all?
Struggle aginst Meles will continue.

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This is the EU for real towards Africa. It started 500 years a go and continues changing its face according to the situation for the same reason. Africa must take big and open notice about the EU stands. An old man like EU ambassador to the EU, T. Clark who has only old ideas about Africa(racism, slavery, colonialism, apartheid, segrigation, etc) is giving very false and wrong testimony about the election process in Ethiopia. His action indicates that his decision about the vote was already decided by the EU even before the election started. It is their stand towards Africa. If the Africans were strong, there would never happened the worst human atrocity towards them, slavery. If the Africans were strong, no one would take them as hostage to use them, their wealth and land indiscriminately for hundreds of years. If Africans are strong, multinationals would never plunder the African resources without the feeling of nature and dump their unwanted products with high price and dangerous industrial wastes. There are many reasons to say way the EU do want strong leaders in Africa. Almost all members of the Ethiopian opposition parties have the highest level of education while many of them are doctors and professors. The Ethiopian people gave them permission in the ballot box to become leaders. But the EU doesn’t want that. We know the reason why. AFRICA look another crime is going on against you by the same people who sold, bought, used, killed and treated you less than anything existed on the surface of the earth.

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These westerners will never have concerns to the interest of the general public as far as their interests are not clearly in danger! The recent activities of Tim Clarke clearly show their indifference to the public votes! I think it is this type of double standard that gave raise to a negative sentiment to the westerners in the Muslim world. Tim Clarke should be advised to pack his stuff and leave the Country!

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City: addis

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You see some thing?
A day back Tim Clark gave a comment that the opposition should their parlamentary seats and added that the NEBE is free and fair on the Ethiopian News Agency(ENA). Today, the same story with some threatening from Mele is heard. Meles said, the oppositione should take their seats, accept the result the of the NEBE, if not they will face the consequences. Are these two people (Government and EU at large) working together in some way????????
It is a real betrayal of the people of Ethiopia. But it is a historical fact that people should always win.

God Bless Ethiopia

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Goodbye CUD hello EPRDF.

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Mr Clark is the new "Herman Cohen.". The CUD should not listen or try to please this man !!!

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I never thought the white men to support us on our quest for democracy.
The foreign policy of the US,EU when it come to third world countries is to support dictators who follow orders from the west and regimes who pretend like they are democratic gov. and our little PM is perfect candidate for thier policy. so we all know whatever comes next the west is going to stand with the dicator meles naziawi unless we, the ethiopian people rise up at this time were our vote is stolen and justified by the west, to rise up and depose this minority gov and claim our freedom ourselves. otherwise we will spend the rest of our life with a little majid meles naziawi for yrs to come.
GOd bless the ethiopian people.

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About westerners - can anyone translate French ?

I am Ferengi ant utterly disgusted by Tim Clarke 's position or that what I can hear in Addis international community.

I think people in Europe and US would be disgusted too if only they knew. Do not give up, you have to pressure them until they understand their politics leads nowhere.

With a small group of friends in France, we have created a support commitee - see

http://addisferengi.over-blog.com

From today there is an on-line petition. If anyone could translate it in good english, mine is uncertain


By the way, we all perfectly know EPRDF did not win a majority, Tim Clark included... or he should get out more ofter of his four wheel drive car.

Nth

Email: addisferengi@wanadoo.fr

City: Addis

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Good job, Addis Ferenj.

To my Ethiopian sisters and brothers,
We can be angry, all what we want, at Tim Clarke or the rest of them who chose to ignore the plight of the Ethiopian people and are quick to advice the opposition to play along.
As annoying and irritating what they are doing and saying is we cannot afford to waste our energy boiling ourselves in anger. We have to focus on action.

I think it is time now for those of us in diaspora to come out in mass, as we did after the Addis masacre, and give voice to the Ethiopian people. We have to help echo the demands of the opposition. We cannot afford to give up. We have to be relentless in our efforts. It is not enough to say we tried before and they did not listen to us. We have to keep doing it until they listen.

I call upon the leaders among us to please, once again, help us channel our anger and frustration to postiive action. Thank you.

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Ethiopians, don't take orders from Brits or anyone else. Never have, never will. This our fight and we'll fight it our way. Tim Clarke can take his spineless behind back to London.

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City: Portland

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Let's not panic at this latest betrayal. We have got enough history lessons. We are used it, so lets keep our momentum going and support the opposition.
gm

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City: College Park

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Don't be panic!!

First of all why ER posted such rubish news from ENA.

As we know all ENA, WIC, Fana etc. are EPRDF Medias. I really would be surprized if Tim Clark interviewed by any other neutral agencies and said the same thing.

I think it is absolutly one sided.

It would be better to confirm from him whether he said it exactly the same or not.

GOD BLESS ETHIOPIA and Its Inocent Citezens!

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City: Ambo

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Mr. Clarke doesn't seem to have a good grasp of the issues. Or he refuses to understand the issues. Either way he is doing a diservice to the ethiopian or and the office he represents. The more Mr.Clarke speaks the more he reminds me of Herman Cohen.
The NEBE thespians wouldn't fail to impress him if he joins the investigation to observe. They know how how to act, how to hide facts and appear genuine if they are not confronted with questions.
Clarke might have attended one meeting but is one enough to pass judgement about the professionalism of NEBE? Did he attend the investigation in Etaya where flagrant election violations took place? Or did he attend the panel that decided to hold reelection in Bugna where the proganda minister (Askari Bereket) was decisively and woefully defeated?
More than ever before, Ethiopians realize that they are the ones who ultimately decide their future.
Clarke and the likes could positively contribute and facilitate the democratization process but certainly will not decide Ethiopia's future.
GOODBYE LEGESSE AND CO. HELLO TO THE WINNING OPOSITION PARYTIES.

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Thanks visitor ;-)

By the way, did you read T. Clarks'interview on Walta web site. I know it is propaganda.. and I can't admit he really sait THAT !

Donors are blind and they cannot support Meles for long, problem is information about what's really happening here does not reach western public opinion.

Nth

Email: addisferengi@wanadoo.fr

City: Addis

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Tim Clark is telling us what Meles has been feeding him.
Shame on him !! We are not idiots. We won't walk away with whatever has been thrown at us. We want the truth.
Like Michael Jackson said ..."KEEP ON WITH THE FORCE DON'T STOP TILL YOU GET ENOUGH !!"

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City: Boston

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WEGEN we have to learn from history except GOD there is no one in our side.ispecialy westner's they don't want to see our progress what so ever!!!!!WE KNOW THAT our joureny is hard and ruogh but by the help of god we will be there.
GOD BLESS ETHIOPIA

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City: london

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Maybe EPRDF is not as bad as you think. Maybe the opposition is trying to take power by any means necessary including crying all day long. At this time the opposition parties are acting immature. Can't we just move on? Afterall EPRDF gave us much more opportunities than we ever dreamt of....

City: Dallas

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Tim Clarke helped broker to humilate the oppostion leaders by Meles Zenawi. Apart to be told in what to do and not by Meles, I hope this time they didnt sign an aggrement of any kind. It is only civil unrest which is the effective weapon and be understood by Meles and his bosses.

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I think the process has to end somewhere. The CUD or UEDF needs to come to accept the final outcome as long as they agreed and put their signature. They need to start initating a stragegy how to be a part of the political process for the next five years. If they think assuming power is the only way to serve the people, then they need to pull their legs out of the process totally and start working on maturing in thier political party system. I can see only an option to choose. Wheter to be in the process of out. Please for the sake of the poor Ethiopian people, do not confuse the already confused society. It is a high time to decide. Addis has become the cutting board for the CUD now. Allow us to see how you prepare the dishes in your kitche. Peace to all.

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Selam to All

Understandably many of you are upset with EU's resident observer’s statement regarding the election outcome. That said, you guys need to learn how to separate the message from the messenger. The irony here is that some of you hate or want to hate Mr. Clarke while demanding justice and democracy. I thought we are grown up and old enough to separate the message from the messenger.

With Love!

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We all need to be patient and strong specially this times. The European or the American are not interested about our democracy, they are interested about their own country. The time is different now, They need a partner to deafeat their so called terrorist around the world. We are the who can decide our future, not tim Clark or the US. If we stand up for our rights where ever we are sooner or later we will win. If we all remember the opposition three four years ago like we have not was unthinkable. No matter what happens now we need to look a head. We need to support the opposition by what ever means we can if we really are interested for new era in our country. We can criticize Tim Clarke and his gang, however for now they are the key for our success. We need to be smarter than meles and Co. we need to learn from our enemies and beat them by their own tactics. Let us not forget the people of Ethiopia does not have gun to fight for now. What we have is our unity when it comes to Meles. We shall win if we keep our hope for our future.

God bless Ethiopia and the Ethiopian people

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City: Seattle

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Dear Fellow Ethiopians!

Why Mr.Clark went Berserk?!Could it be the London bombings?

Why the sudden change of Heart by Mr.Tim Clark?Was not he ,at the beginning of the election debacle,complaining about EPRDF/Woyane being not ready to give up power !Was not he roughed up /shoveled by the undisciplined Woyane secutity forces guarding the residence of Hailu Shawel?Was not he overheard complaining about Ato Bereket Sim-on?Has not Ana Gomez witnessed the brutal killings of innocent civilians?Was not the EU concerned with the way the election results were handled by the NEB?Why then he declared the election process astonishing,especially at the time when the two main opposition parties still have serious misgivings about the process?Could the London bombings change the position of great Britain and hence Tim towards the dictator little Meles.In the face of terrorist attacks in London,did the Brits figured that Meles could be thier partner in the fight against terror?If so they are misguided!

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City: san jose

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Miseker,

I was saying this for months. That the way to the palace is through Washington. Some fools like Hagere Ethiopia insulted me. Now you guys are catching up. I wish you were vocal some months ago.

Mamo Qilo

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The way to the palace is not only through Washington but also through the disintegration of EPDRF as an institution the way Derge/WPE lost the support of its own members. That should be our goal. That is why mamo is right about the attitude of CUD and article 39. When that happens I am sure that people like Gebremeles will daily post about the true nature of EPDRF. Then we can say that is the end of Meles. One of the reasons I like UEDF is because one of their member organization is TAND which is Tigrayan Alliance for National Democracy which includes previous leader of TPLF Aregawi Berhe. He is doing a good job exposing the iron rule of Meles in Tigray.

Mr. Clark is a diplomat and he will change position if the opposition stands their ground and keep on insisting that

1. EPDRF rigged the vote and the methods that they used are …..
2. They prevented peaceful student from holding non violent demonstration,
3. They took extreme measure to stop demonstration
4. The Election Board is not independent and is entangled with the EPRDF
5. The NEBE has disregarded majority of the opposition claims with forceful intimidation and unlawful means going outbound of their mandate and involving in illegal scheme
6. The international community should investigate NEBE itself
7. The Prime Minister is harassing and intimidating opposition officials to carry out his will with out Consulting their members.

..... and so forth, unfortunately the burden of proof is on the opposition shoulder.

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what is wrong if the good Ambassador makes effort to narrow the difference btween the ruling and opposition parties? In my opinion it makes him a very concerned person to take the initiative and try to bring peace in the dirt poor country of ours unlike some of you who preach destruction putting your and your family azzez in a safe heaven.
The trend of picking the two moderate politicians Dr Beyene and Dr berhanu by Meles to talk with paves the way to form a coalition government X the extremists and should be encouraged.

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Kebede Ali,
I think you are missing the point.Why talk about coalition governoment? when the truth of the matter is,the election has been rigged.The Etiopian people have shown in full force that they have had enough with eprdf.Thier votes need to be respected.You go on with your orgiastic admiration of T.clark,but stop your blunt reasoning to cover it up.Have you heared T.clark condemening the massacres? Or urging weyane to stop the random impresment,and torture of opposition parrty leaders? If you genuenly look at it,T.clark has his comfort zones.He doesn't want to indulge him self in real talks with the weyane regime, who is singlehandedly responsible for all the destructions.I suggest you refrain from giving this kind of opinion that you will eventually regret when you start looking at things broadly.

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City: Losangeles

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This is one of the many tactics against the peaceful society by the west for centuries. This snake old man (T.Clark) false and wrong testimony will be his last post in diplomatic. As soon as meles took power, he will leave our country consume what he has got in the name of election, and the EU will appoint another fresh mad man against us. The coming mad man will cheat the Ethiopian people by saying I’m not T. Clark. I’m here just to work and help you. This way the people's outrage against EU could subside.
So, People don't allow others to decide for you. You have to take your matters on your hands. The economical differences between countries are created by human. Look cold Europe. Naturally it is the example of hell on Earth. But because of the people, the life in Europe seems better that of ours. Our country is the most naturally gifted nation on earth. The reason why we are poor is not because of nature but because of us. To have good life, you have to do things on the right way. The first and best thing to do is have good leader(s). Without good leader(s) there will never come prosperity, peace, good life etc in any nation.
I’m ready and I ask you all to strive to have good leader(s). We have to come together with completely determined character to restore good leader in our palace rather than a bandit who is hiding there. It is not mean to us what an old racist (T.Clark) or else said about our country, it is our duty to make the wrong to write. There is nothing could challenge the people. Yet they can kill few more among us as they did in the past, but the people will take the country palaces, offices or institutions at the final goal. if it's possible peacefully. If not by any means necessary. It is the matter of time. Even if T.Clark restore little evil creature (meles) on us, he would never stay on at maximum time one year. We need time to prepare. We need to be brave. We need to be faithful. We need to be very determined. We need to be very hostile against the people enemies. We need to be vigilant. We need to be concentrate not only in Addis but also all over the country. We have exactly know the position of people in Tigry. We have to watch very closely what is going on in Tigry after more than half of the present territory in Tigray is illegally taken from gonder where Ato Addisu Legese said came from and from Wollo where Ato Bereket Simon said came from. These are the two x-leaders including the mad woman who is the responsible to the death of hundreds of students Genet Zewdie, the so called for the Amhara People.
Do you think Meles would divide the people of Gojjam that is known with its homogeny and unity from existence? My people in gojjam is not sleeping, not accepting the cheat and defeat. Even those who are betrayers to gojjam’s hard working people joining little meles and assisted NEB to steal vote from the hard working gojjam farmers, will join with their people against the TPLF. The Belay Zelekes’ (the people of Gojjam) will never divided and become against each other to serve a little creature that has millions of dollars in international banks, who is destroying the country including gojjam to build only Tigray. Today including many villages in Tigray people have Electricity. But the hard working farmers in gojjam where the land is the mother of rivers including the Nile have no Electricity, no Irrigation dam, no roads, no industry, no tractor, no other agricultural assistances while they are busy to improve the stony territory for agriculture in Tigry. So, People in Gojjam you are known as the big fire starter. Your fence, offence and defence is given to you by God (Nile). You have to rise up while the worst vote rigging was happened in East Gojjam. My strong people don't divided to serve a little creature meles and his vultures (Cadres). Those who are the so called in EPRDF must leave right now to help their people in the fight against TPLF. TPLF is the smallest coalition in the EPRDF. But the last 14 years meles was a president, then the prime minister. The foreign minister, interior, not long a go defence, other high military posts, diplomatic posts and so on are occupied by TPLF. After all except TPLF what are doing the rest of the coalition with this sheet EPRDF? To serve TPLF for leftover reward? Shame on you. You have to wake up and act as an equal human being in your own country.
To get the people's vote back from NEB and TPLF the fire must star in Gojjam or elsewhere right now to finish it before the Meher started. Are those in Gonder still breathing? Or should I have to go there to berry them completely. Is the present generation in Gonder is not any more like their fathers , mothers, grand fathers and grand mothers. Let the spirit of those heroes in Gonder shine on their children. Woyane only with peaceful means will never give power to the people. They came with force, this is the way they understand very well. They are killing us. We have to kill them, too.
So, the people of Ethiopia, fight woyane with internet, with pen, with radio, with unity, with huge and continues demonstration, and if they intended to kill you also with gun.

Email: Defar@hotmail.com

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Selam Defar

You got to be out of your mind or else you must be the likes of Shabia. Your definition of Ethiopia is limited to Gondar and Gojjam. Please wake up and smell the coffee: Ethiopia is a nation of 72 million people with amazing cultures and different languages glued together by unflinching love for their country. That is the way it was, that is the way it is, and that is the way it will always be despite the vocals from the right or the left.

Ato. Defar Just humble your self, and love all Ethiopians. Is that too much to ask?

With Love!

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Western politicians have decided that Meslese is their man because he has succeeded to convince them that he would listen to their call and answer to their demand. Do not take their position to mean that they deslike Ethiopia. They do not have love or deslike for Ethiopia. What you see as unfair international politics is a politics of greed. What Western politians are after is for a client government that they would control; and they have found one in Melese.

The consequences of standing up to Melese regime could be serious but outome is never to doubted if the battle would be fought at two fronts: at the passive resistance movement front and at propagand front, for example, to expose the "genocidal" intent of Melese's regime.

In short the opposition should show the world that it is fighting to prevent Ethiopia from further disintegration and that the blind support to Melese regime by EU and American bureaucraies would exactly do that.

When EU bureaucrates see that the people of Ethiopia do not want to see Melese in power and when they see that he is no longer able to rule they would definitely ask him to leave.

This process could be hard and long because EU burreaucrates would not easily give up their position before they have tried three different methods of persuation first. One is bribing the opposition leaders and weaken their resolve. The second is tricking the opposition into accepting defeat. The third is blackmailing the opposition or individuals in submission.

The opposition strategy, on the other hand, should be two folds. One to act in haste or under the duress of emmotions. Two, conduct open discussion with who ever it meets, e.g., EU,USA, CIA or Melese regime. It should report its meetings and the highlights of the meetings as soon as they take place.

An opposition that stands for the right cause will emerge triumphant because it would have the backing of the majority.

City: Paris

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My dear Maya, where were you all these days? We have been suffocated by lengthy and abstract articles that will not give solution to the dilema we are facing. I like the practical steps that you suggested to be taken by the oppostion. Beka! the steps if properly applied will enable us to bulldooze Meles.

Local politics vs internation politics

We seem to be troubled within our own domain (local politics). The level of granting democracy to the people has come with its price. The local politcians expect Melese has never got the dynamism of the global politics which has a strong impact in the local process of politiking. No matter the number of Ph.D titles or diaspora's coffee shop meetings, a single process of political decsion has to align with the international politcal process. In this case, the issue of terrorism which plays a dominat role in making the process of local political decision has been running. Politically speaking, the Melese regime has meet if not all but almost all the global leadership requirements. Unlike the oppostion leaders (cancelthe name Enginner Shawel.. who never understands the dynamism), the current government fits perfectly to align the ever demand of erradicating terrorism from the Horn of Africa. Ethiopa is the center of the game on which Melese and his leadership has proved to deliver the requirements. Technically speaking, we all have no choise but one. Allow the local election process to be finalized and institute Meles's leadership to run the show of local politcs. Politics in the Horn of Africa requires a strong leader within the systems. The only candidate to run the show will be Melese in this case. It's therefe, the CUD or UEDF's dream of grapping the power would be a day dream. Needless to mention, the EU has confirmed the local process is the right one so that it would align for the comming global assigments, which is a crucial factor for the world community. Wish you luck

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Beza Beza I am glad that you are also the openion that there is a consensus that Melese had rigged the vote and that he must go. At this stage of the struggle there does not seem to be any need to hammer this point any longer.

I am sugggesting the struggle has to move on to another stage, a higher level. In this respect, the discussion should attempt to answer the following questions: what the strength and weakness of the enemy camp? To date, what have we done to weaken Melse regime? What are our failures and successes? What more should we do organizationally, politically and financially to break the back of Melese's regim.

I presented, the article you quoted above, with the fear that unless we proceed to the realm of action, the enemy camp and its supporters might catch us while our trousers are down. I am not in any way dismissing the considerable contributions made by those who gave their lives to the struggle and those others who are rotting in Melese's prisions. What I am saying is that we start where the brave women ane men of Ethiopia have left!

City: Paris

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hey Felasfaw Do you think meles met the international standards imposed by western countries? I dont think so because so far meles met the needs of westeners by weaking our integrity so that countries like Egypt could dominate us from not using our water resources , think that way.It is not because of the somali's terrorism that disturbs the westerns.

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Mesfin has hit the nail right on its head when he said that the EU leaders (under the Chairmanship of Prime Minister Blare) look at Melese as their man. They are after a client government for their own going military adventure in the Middle East and they have found one in Melese's regime.

It is up to us to show them that in Ethiopia we do not accept a leader imposed upon us from outside. Melese might have an organizational muscle and a military machinery behind him but he does not have the backing of the wider public.

On the other hand, the opposition has the people behind it. People's power eventual wins when it uses it strength without hesitation and effectively. One such power is the power of passive resistance (breaking the regime's laws and directives or making the country ungovernable). The name of the game in this struggle is organization, organization and again organization.

The opportunists (the EU bureaucrates) would shift their poistion when they see the opposition has strength and not before that happens.

City: Paris

Re: Tim Clark implies that EPRDF has the majority

Participants,

Most of seem to distrust the ferengis(US&EU). If that was the case why a need for repeated anti-Meles demonstrations across America and Europe? If you don't trust and sometimes worship their leaders(Bush& Blair), why a waste of time?

The point, here, is clear. You just blame and black any one that has different view from the opposition.
For your information, mr. Tim Clarck has been an ardent suppurter and advisor of the opposition for a long time. Ask Dr. Berhanu and Dr. Beyene for the role
he played in the opposition's success of May 15 election.I hope they will tell you the truth.

Anyway, try to be some how objective. Don't be blind to suuport or oppose any view.The world has many faces. Don't take every one against your viewas enemy.The beauty of democracyis its diversity.

Ali

Email: alimodi_akrimodi@yahoo.com

City: Addis Ababa