I know what I say is controversial for some:

I must say first that I am Oromo (I have a bit of guraghe and sidamo but mostly Oromo cause I don't know any pure ethinic Ethiopian for that matter). Anyway, I am one of those that would like to see the rights of the Oromo and others who have been traditionally out of the Ethiopian system to be respected, not only respected but contitutionally protected. I realize for that to happen it might be a long shot cause I really don't support extreme organizations like OLF cause they are not independent, but supported by Eritrea and that has it's own unique set of problems as far as Oromo's are concerned and it's not just an issue of "self-determination" but one that has Sheabia's hateful dream of seeing all the major ethnic tribes in Ethiopia engaging in civil war as Issayas predicted some decades ago, I know this for a fact.

Having said the above I am encouraged by the recent plan not only the main opposition CUD but the recent agreement by all the Oromo parties (opposition) in Ethiopia to unite under on huge party, the future remains to be seen as their agenda matures. But as a quiet and often frustrated Oromo listening to most of my relatives supporting the ideas of OLF in America, and often without much fact finding, I am a bit glad that Oromo's are finally taking a legal, united effort to fight not only for the rights of Oromo's but also will have an agenda for the country, Ethiopia as well as far as the Oromo is concerned.

This is my first time letting my view known in public forum but I think and that most Oromo's (like me) wouldn't mind living in PEACE with our other non-Oromo brothers and sisters as long as we ALL are equal and contributing members of the future Ethio society.

I think others who are playing with such a risky ideas of seccession (example: Ogaden) don't really have a historic basis or a colonial one regardless of what they would like...I think there will always be the dangers of war over borders and other stupid issues, look at Eritrea...they have colonial issues regarding Ethiopia and still, I am sure there will be more war's with them.

JUST A FOOD FOR THOUGHT...especially mine:)

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How can Ethiopia prosper if it is governed by an ethnically exclusive party? The continuing ethnic rivalries are going to doom Ethiopia. I'm afraid it is going to deteriorate into the hell that was the Balkans in the mid-1990s. Too many people are only concerned with advancing their own ethnicity-based agenda. Who is concerned with Ethiopia as a whole? Look at what happened in Yugoslavia--that, I'm sad to say, is likley where Ethiopia is headed.

Dear "Ay, Ethiopia:"

Let me answer your questions as a concerned citizen and an ethnic Oromo:


Your said: "How can Ethiopia prosper if it is governed by an ethnically exclusive party?"

For Ethiopia to be united and prosperous, it cannot under any circumstance be ruled by an Ethnically exclusive party, EVER! I think if we are to learn from history, I think it's fair to say it has not served Ethiopia's children well, not even the ethnic parties who have been in power for that matter, at least not for the long run here. So, it would have to be a coalition of parties and fortuantely democracy is based on compromose or give and take, is it not? I think we'll have to learn this COMPROMISE thing...I know it's what separating me from my relatives who some are die hard OLF supporters (trust me on this!)



Your said:"The continuing ethnic rivalries are going to doom Ethiopia. I'm afraid it is going to deteriorate into the hell that was the Balkans in the mid-1990s. Too many people are only concerned with advancing their own ethnicity-based agenda. Who is concerned with Ethiopia as a whole?"

Yes, if a solution or a compromise is not found regarding the ethnic rivalries, there will be problems, especailly if extreme groups keep the propaganda going regarding seccession. Having said that, I think what most ethnic groups will accept is like I have said before...'A constitutional guarantee that all citizens of Ethiopia despite their ethnic background will have their civil liberties protected.'
I don't mean to sound naive, I am an educated man, but if the future gov't practices this basic democratic and human right, I think the rest will work it'self out.



Your said: "Look at what happened in Yugoslavia--that, I'm sad to say, is likley where Ethiopia is headed."

I hate to be the one to say this, since I don't belong to the traditional ethnic tribes of Ethiopia who've been in power...but...you are just too negative...Ethiopia, as a country...actually according to my readings has faced MUCH much worse...perhaps you should be more optimistic. Ethiopia is just a different country now, multi ethnic and so many people...there will have to be brave solutions that make sense...wether that comes from CUD/UEDF or some other much bigger oppossition comprised of unbeatable united parties 5 years from now remains to be seen.

Just a thought on the subject, peace!

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To quiet Oromo Ethio

I admire your courage for speaking up the truth about the problem & conflict our country goes through.
There is one thing this power hungry separetist group seem to ignore,which is there are the silent majority people who come from inter ethnic merriage.Frankly speaking I'm one of them(half Oromo/half Amhara).
If some one ask me which ethnic group I belong to?
My answer is simple & short,I say Ethiopian.

I am writing to express my total agreement with your concern and stand and I have very little to add to your quiet voice. The very little addition I wish to state here is the following. Ethiopia's external but traditional enemies and their woyane henchmen are doomed to fail in their 14 years drive for ethnic strife because of one simple but basic fact. A large portion of Ethiopians are of multi-ethnic origin and are cosequently but silently resisting against Meles's macabre call for "interhamwe". My grnad father was born in Wollega. He has been married several times and had children from all of them: from Gurage, from Oromo, from Tigre and from Amhara.
Was ethnicity an Ethiopian problem then?? apparently not. So why has ethnicity become a problem now?? Is it an intrinsic Ethiopian problem or is it a problem imported into Ethiopian society by external enemies?? Or is it Woyane itself the problem??? Thanks for any thoughts on this.

Quite Oromo Ethio,

Our country needs bold people with balanced minds and fairness, like yours.
Please break your silence and tell us more about your positive and reasonable dreams for a democratic Ethiopia

Dear quiteOromoEthio,
I am half Oromo and half Amhara.Thank you for your comment I really do like your meaning.
Regards
Dadi/Tej
Long live mother Ethiopia

First, I would like to thank some of the replies for their genuine words regarding my idea's, perhpas if people/politicians can find a middle ground that is based on common sense, they'll find that both their views however extreme can be negotiated while in the end benefiting not their ethnic tribes or families/friends but the overall people of the country.

To "Amy, Dadi, & Bale Adera":

I am glad that you are mentioning your ethnic backgrounds and the fact that you are mixed, should not be ashamed of any of it as I am proud of my mostly Oromo but my guraghe/Sidamo background. This is good cause you/we are using it for a different purpose then the Gov't who are as you know using it to keep a minority ethnic system while dividing the majority...unfortunately, they can only rule as long as the country is divided and hating itself and others, I am afraid Meles' agenda will involve this as long as he is in power but then again, every dog has it's day as the saying goes. Further, I think acknowledging our mixed backgrounds is important cause it serves as a uniting factor not a divinding one, extrem groups like OLF/ONLF don't address mixes among their people, in fact they perpetuate a myth that their people are oppressed cause they are pure and a tiny percentage mixed...but again, that is far from fact.

Anyway, here are questions some of you asked me:

'Bale Adera' said:
"Was ethnicity an Ethiopian problem then?? apparently not. So why has ethnicity become a problem now?? Is it an intrinsic Ethiopian problem or is it a problem imported into Ethiopian society by external enemies?? Or is it Woyane itself the problem??? Thanks for any thoughts on this."

Thank you first of all for sharing your background, I think oftne we don't know our backgrounds and that is more of a common ground. I think generally speaking ethnicity is somewhat natural, what I mean is, generally in human history people have preferred their own or mixing with their own, but it has also been filled with constant mixing. Ethiopia is a region that has always mixed within it's population and will continue to do so even more in the future I think, this is inevitable and it's not a bad thing at all, in fact, it is a scientific fact that intermixing not only between tribes but races contributes to stronger longevity for our genes. Having said that, you have a point in your question 'Bale Adera'...for the past few centuries, ever since Ethiopia almost disintegrated with Ahmed Gran and some say during that time, many converted to Islam, there have been attempts by regional powerful states to converting Ethiopia into a Muslim state as well as the colonial issue of Europe/Italy in trying to rule us by permanently dividing the major tribes, this was a proven science called 'divide and conquor' as my reading suggest. Meles unfortunately, is behaving just like a colonial power and ironically giving the regions in Ethiopia ultimate autonomy just like the Europeans did although they thought they'd rule Ethiopia or 'Italian colonies' literally forever, that is why such a divide/rule idea is dangerous. But then again, I think we often forget that ever since the current makeup of multiethnic Ethiopia since Ahmad Gran did so much damage years ago or so, we've had problems like these and others, I persoanlly think that if Meles is executing a sheabin dream (in secret, which he was influenced by Issayas for years and there are circumstancial evidence as some say) of seeing a disintegrated Ethiopia, he's underestimating Ethiopia as a whole and the people. Don't get me wrong, there will be bloodshed, people/young will die, people will be tortured in masses as long as Meles is in power, but that will not kill Ethiopia to the disappointment of Eritrea's leader/extreme groups who share the same ideas...IF, IF that is Meles ultimate agenda, otherwise, I would really be confused as to why he's clinging to power and take risks when even his own Tigrean people are politically becoming more and more divided agaist him although not the majority of them of course. Hope what I have said makes sense 'Bale Adera'.

The other interesting thing is, that unlike 'Bale Adera' grandfather, my grandfather actually had no mixtures as far as I knew him, but he does not support OLF although his children do and he is dumbfounded why ethnicity is so important in Ethiopa over other issues and why everyone is so emotional...he does not get it the uses of it...in short he's my inspiration:) I feel the same way.



'Liberty' asks:
"Please break your silence and tell us more about your positive and reasonable dreams for a democratic Ethiopia"

I think when people talk about Ethiopia's problems they complicate things that are by nature not really that complicated. Ultimately, we must have a goal for Ethiopia, whoever is a resident of it's land. Here is my dream:

1) There has to be a POLITICALLY STABLE Ethiopia. This means that the parties whom the people elect would have to work together and not agaist each other, that means compromise from a centrist frame of mind. The people will have to demand this of course...cause an African politician it is easy to act a fool, that is what we must get away from. Of course, the gov't can choose to implement rigorous training and code of conduct for the member of Parlament just as western countries do instead of bribing them for their loyalties and wasting the people's vote. I realise this is an evolving process that will get better in time.

2) There will have to be a solution to neutralize the ethnic question in which M.Zenawi has the country under. The opposition or future democractic gov't will have to work hard at showing the people the long run disadvantages of such destructive ideas for anyone including the Oromo or other majority/minority tribes. There will have to be a pubic search for truth on this matter cause it's time for Ethiopia anyway at this critical point in time...I would like to see a similar "Truth Commitee" like the one in South Africa where people, of every ethnic background can come in public forums in major cities and talk about their experiences and how it has effected them and their families. I am sure there is an untold story all over the country and families splitting when it comes to ethnic, not just a national issue-
Further, legally speaking, the universal human rights in Ethiopia comes with a stable gov't but I can't say it enough...these rights will have to be guaranteed. Meles is guranteeing them by providing a seccession for the ethnic tribes, which has a long list of dangers associated with it, then again, Meles will be far away somewhere probably in Eritrea - who knows. So, in short, address the question of ethnicity and hopefully packaged with the ideas of reconciliation that many countries are adopting currently. In short, people of Ethiopia (ALL of them) have to feel like there is a future in which we can all share and prosper, period. Legally Articulating this is the hard job of the oppossition and their intellectual community.

3) Other things must of course address things that a country like Ethiopia needs like a financial system and even maybe a stock market serving as the heartbeat of our economy. I think if/when the gov't gets out of the business world, it can do it's job and the ecnonomy will have no choice but to grow if a political stable gov't comes to pass. Of course this is a dream at this point but a realistic on I think. Trust me, when people are NOT on the edge of starvation, they wouldn't even think about ethnicity nor care for it, this is a pattern I see.

The following is my quick reply and thought I hope I have not put anyone to sleep here although I have enjoyed your replies and my replies...


I wish that the new Oromo parties form, there won't be an immediate goal of only 'self determination' that's what OLF is driving into the psyche of most Oromo's in N.America unfortuantely, but I hope those Oromo's in Ethiopia will speak although they don't really have voices to speak unless it's for Meles nor facts, and that is sad...but hopefully the ultimate agenda of all these Oromo parties will go beyond just the Oromo and prosperity for the Oromo, if it's just for the Oromo, then it's acting as a minority group and not a dignified majority group that is inclusive. In today's world order, I believe one must be inclusive, compromise, centrist, fair, respect the rights of others,etc. I hope the next phase of opposition coalitions will have some of these democratic ideas in 5 years time or should they take power now...which is unlikely I am sorry to say(I would like to see them take it though), but if not, at least they'll have some say. Then again, I am sure the cleaver Eritrean will make sure to strip all their powers legally while the west watches...I guess we'll have to see and do all we can for the Ethiopia of the future that good to all of us and for our children!

Thanks and I wish all genuine Ethiopians would think of these issues and to take a position that will benefit all in a dignified manner as productive citizens and in an atmosphere that has most of all, PEACE in mind. I think it's possible but more opposition parties are needed and they'll have to merge with civic organizations all over the world! This is the futuristic war that ALL Ethiopians will have to wage by having the west help us get rid of unwanted leaders that are only interested in filling their private world bank accounts with hundreds of million of dollars at the expense of selling out all the the people care about, especially the future. I wish for an orage revolution in Ethiopia...I wish for her prosperity unlike others...I WISH her peace!...however quietly but glad I am not alone!:)

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QuietOromoEthio.
Thank you. People like you give me hope. I am Amhara and Oromo. I hope some day Ethiopia will have a leader, who thinks for the good of all Ethiopian people.

MR QuiteOromEthio

I must say I do not have much faith on ethnic based factions/groups. They are not even political parties.They have a narrow base and do not have mass appeal. The legacy of ethnic liberation fronts like the Tigrai People Liberation front, shabia and others does not inspire confidence. They all trade in the name of the oppressed ethnic groups and masquarade as liberation fighters only to end up as the main oppressors.
However, I hope that your dream of a peaceful, democratic and prosperous Ethiopia is realised.

What is the purpose of having an ethnic party other than defending the specific interest of the ethnic group it stands for? nothing.This idea - ethnic parties - created by tplf actuallly paralyses the parliament by making it disfuntional in practice. For example, take oromo seats now about 178; and amara 138 out of the total 547 seats, they will never pass a single law without the wishes of the rest of the ethnic parties. Only and only if amara and oromo ethnic parties united can they succeed in securing a vote. Because this may never happen or might not happen as often as it should, it will just be a waste of votes. Only A party which is organised on principles and beliefs (that means a multinational party, is the only one that can get the vote and succeed.

Neverthless, I do hope this unity among the oromo parties will also lead to the merging of Hibret as one party. Hope this will be the next step.

Hibret come on!!!

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Meseret, you said it right. It a party that is organized in prenciple and believe that can save us from our country's uncertainty. I dont know why people are afraid to say I am a socialist loud and clear.

Cool! I am also of Amhara, Oromo and Tigre Background. Born and raised in Oromia. I love my country.

Regarding the 5 uniting Oromo parties: Even though I like the fact that there is someone representing and fighting for the interests of the Oromo people, as a person who is most described by the word Ethiopian than Oromo, it makes me feel excluded. It makes me say, "what about me?" Who is fighting for me? Who is fighting for my dad who is born and raised in Oromia but is of an Amhara and Tigrian background? See, even though there is nothing wrong with the purpose of the parties, the spirit surrounding it (the fact that they are of a specific ethnic group) makes the rest of Ethiopians feel marginalized. And we, Ethiopians, cannot afford to entertain the feeling of marginalization.

What I wanna see in Ethiopia is Amharas speaking out for the rights of Oromos, Oromos speaking out for Tigres and for the oppressed in the south. I wanna see real and genuine Ethiopians tirelessly speaking out for ALL Ethiopians regardless of their ethnic backgrounds!

If mixed Ethiopians like us form a group and start a movement, would it become another ethnicty by itself and make other Ethiopians feel marginalized? ...j/k

Even though most of us know what was at stake for the country we waited for to long to speak what is in our mind.Now the floog gates are open,This is the best opportune time to raise the voice of the silent majority to be heard.We are the voice of tolerance, equality & unity.
I know T.P.L.F. cadres & some extremist groups are going to level us dergist,amhara this & that in order to side line the issue.
There is nothing to be ashamed of by standing up with Ethiopian people against tyrany,which preaches medival age poletics.By playing the ethnic card they want to divert peoples attention so they can rule the country as long as they can.
The Ethiopian people knew their agenda even before 1991.In 2005 the only thing changed is the people are united & the oppositions are strong.
Yes I'm half OROMO,The title of my grang father on my mother side is GELETENA.
Yes I'm half AMHARA,The title of my grang father on my dads side is KEGNAZMACH.
In conclusion I'm hopeful about the future of our country,becouse of our brave & disciplined people.
The silent majority are awaken that is one more bad news for woyane & other ethnic extrimist forces.


long live Ethiopia & it's beautiful people.

Dear QuietOromoEthio:
why are not you take over Ethiopia since you are the majority instead of creating a way out for these settlers?
The rich land of Ethiopia is not Amhara land and it belongs to Oromo. I hope that you are not fooled with the children of settlers who are still dreaming to exploit your land.
Moreover, our Honorable Prime Minsiter who does not disagree with your right to claim Addis Abeba and tranform to Finfine deserve to be respected and supported.
In addition, I hope that you can see how much the settlers are happy when they read your analys. They are reasoning from their stomach and jumped to your wagan and claimed they are half Oromo and Half Amahra. Do you know that they learned this trick from European settlers, Americain, who will say that I am 1/4 Irish, 1/2 Italian 1/4 french 1/4 German( They miss the point of human being due to their thinking of a bread and land ) in order to create an identity crisis and access to the resouces.
The settlers do not have the capacity to understand the abovementioned mathematics; therefore, I have to change to 1/4 Italian. I know that they are still not getting when you add up the number, it will be one.

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I do agree with QuiteOromoEthio and Ami
Long live mother Ethiopia!
regards
Dadi

Greetings/Selam/Akambulte to all:

Interesting discussions and reactions to the topic at hand regarding the political merging of Oromo parties in Ethiopia, I felt the need (since I have not been on Ethiopianreview for some days)to address a particular users reaction to the even, namely MR."Ibrahim Shirdon":



MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:
"Dear QuietOromoEthio: why are not you take over Ethiopia since you are the majority instead of creating a way out for these settlers?"

First of, I think your view on the whole matter appears to be only one sided. Namely, the ruling party along with extreme political groups like OLF share your view and then some. I have to mention that Meles, whatever political parties emerge in the country, he does everything in his power to encourage an ethnic party, that is why his biggest enemy is the Hebret or UEDF whom target the southern people, bringing them under the umbrella of unity...again, your side view along with Meles/extreme groups does not support this notion. The problem with this one sided thinking of "I will take all cause I can" while at the same time pretending to protect the rights of others or minorities is multifaceted for the long run. Ethiopian past history is filled with such ideas and long term - chronic problems. If you look at the new nations that came to be in just the last generation (25years), you will see, despite the so called resources the land has, are struggling, mainly cause they depended mostly on aid from the US/EU, more and more of that aid/loans is not like they had in mind and as a result a political situation is forced to be an extreme form and the people are repressed if the ideas of the gov't are not fully accepted. This is a pattern of most of the new nations, it's not as easy as you think nor it means that the Oromo's should they become an independent state, have peace, in fact, it's most likely that there will be a border dispute due to the history of the region...if we are honest here, a good deal of Oromos tend to have lived their loives as pastoralists searching for fertile lands to live off, nothing wrong with that I think. But if Ethiopia claims to have existed for more than 100 years (cause Meles part reason for the ethnic homelands is that Etthiopia is only 100years old as a country) then she can claim all the land saying that the Oromo and other tribes migrated to Ethiopia and that they are really not it's true people, countries have gone to war over such claims. The history a gov't adopts of a country has a lot to do with the policies it passes regarding ethnic rights and so on. I am simply concerned that the ethnic problems we currently are subjected by the meles regime are complicated if one looks carefully and that such extreme solutions will only destabelize the whole region regardless since the independent ethnic states (should ethiopia disintegrate for example) will not agree on much, infact, political and possibly war is highly likely...are you ready to put your children and their neighbors children (who are closely related anyway - genetically speaking) into chaos???? I think the popular political modern method of survival and prosperity is "bigger is better"...be it Militarily, Financially even politically...for economic prosperity. Case in point? European Union and now African union following in thier footsteps. I like to think of the future for all as oppossed to the same past ideas that have not benefited anyone...why repeat the mistake and importantly what is wrong for an Oromo to think for the future benefit of all?!?!



MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:
"The rich land of Ethiopia is not Amhara land and it belongs to Oromo. I hope that you are not fooled with the children of settlers who are still dreaming to exploit your land."

First of all, Ethiopia does not have a rich land, it has potential for utilizing it's natural resources and grow economically as a result of it. Ethiopia is barely developed at all, despite the Prime Minister's statistics. I am puzzeled by your statement saying'Ethipia is not Amhara but Oromo?'...not sure how to reply except I would like to see your hisorical evidence for such a statement. I have never heard from a Amhara making such statements either to be fair. I don't think Amhara's nor Oromos feel like the whole of Ethiopia belong to only them.


MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:

"Moreover, our Honorable Prime Minsiter who does not disagree with your right to claim Addis Abeba and tranform to Finfine deserve to be respected and supported."

Well, I don't think the PM is honorable by any standards at all and just cause he's playing political game of divide/conquor regarding finfine, it does not mean he deserves respect let alone support. But it's your democratic right to respect and support him!



MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:

"I hope that you can see how much the settlers are happy when they read your analys. They are reasoning from their stomach and jumped to your wagan and claimed they are half Oromo and Half Amahra.The settlers do not have the capacity to understand the abovementioned mathematics; therefore, I have to change to 1/4 Italian."

The above is almost humerous actually, I am wondering at the same time what ethnic you are for such statements. Look, the fact that a lot (millions) of Ethiopians are mixed is a fact, yes there are those who are not mixed. The so called "Settlers" you describe want to see Ethiopia live to it's potential, I think that is one point that happen to agree. Further, I understand Ethipians of the classic traditional sense (Amharas, Tigres who are oppossing Meles' future ethnic Ethiopia) are or may be worried, but that does not mean they hate the south and want to destroy it by exploiting it's resources and oppressing it's people as extreme groups would have you believe. Of course, this is far from the truth, in fact, people in Ethiopia are getting more and more united against this gov't who enforces Apartheid like ideals by pretending this solution is what the people need politically. The political solution for stability in Ethiopia is and must be the creed of democracy itself! Which says "Majority Rules and Minority Rights." It does not stipulate that the majority in this case has to be an ethnic majority, but an ideal one...people with like minded ideals for all and you can be Tigre, Amhara, Sidamo or Oromo for that matter. Political Ideals rather than Ethnic ideals have a pattern in history of a better system. That's my opinion though. In terms of your statements that all the 'settlers' think about is their 'stomach', and that all they want is to exploit others (Oromo, south,etc.) that is your opinion of course, I do think overall that these days, I see in the Oromo Community people although they are led by OLF groups to think politically, It's obvious that a lot of them are quietly thinking PEACE. Cause they know, the extreme philosophies of OLF and others exploit past discrimination and second class citizenship of these Oromos and convert that hurt into an extreme solution of self-determination, nothing else...all I am saying is that there is another much better way of guaranteeing end of discrimination based on ones background or name for that matter...in other words, having your civil liberties and human rights fully guaranteed and protected under an independent judiciary system. What is wrong with this Mr. Ibrahim???? After all, matured democratic states all have a standard of for such ideals...Ethiopia should do the same...in the near future of course, it will not happen under Aite Meles.



I do like the idea that someone suggested of forming a group be it civic or political that will try and shape internal policies in EThiopia having it's members being a mixed group of any ethnic group or nonmix group, I think the ideals...anyone can agree to some extent despite thier possible extreme views such as Mr. Ibrahim...


I have enjoyed the replies, what do you think ?

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Ibrahim.

Don't say Oromo is the richest , Amhara is the poorest...If we get peace we Ethiopian are very rich , talk about love and unity, forget your Woyane divide and rule......
Don't forget Amhara blue nile never dry up and can feed the whole world let alone Ethiopia......don't forget awash, tekeze.... and back bone of Ethiopia which is agriculture. In addition to this don't forget brave, inteligent, kind,well behave, well cultural and traditional people of Amhara...to conclude this , Woyane Ibrahim shut up!!!

Response to Ibrahim

I was laughing regarding about your response.
Look be fore you level some one as a son/daughter of settlers,It's better to reason with the issue at hand.
Actualy you come to the trap with out looking right & left.From time to time I see your response to others.You are doing a very lousy job.That makes your boss unhappy,Have you heard of getting fired.You action speaks a lot about you.I say you are the one who sold your soul for your stomach not the other way around.

This is to "QuietOromoEthio and Ibrahim Shirdon"

Issue #1. Oromos should take over Ethiopia since they are the majority.

If Amharas should humble themselves and work towards righting the wrongs of the past and make all the concessions to protect the rights of the oppressed people then we indigenous people can work together with the habesha people (Also known as Amhara and Tigreans or Hametic-Semetic). However, if Neftagnas like Kefagn start to only pursue the interest of Amhara alone, we Oromos and southerners can even win democratically if the votes of Oromos and Southern people are counted properly. We will rule Ethiopia the way South African black rule South Africa.

Issue #2 Hebret or UEDF whom target the southern people, bringing them under the umbrella of unity...again, .... pretending to protect the rights of others or minorities is multifaceted for the long run. Ethiopian past history is filled with such ideas and long term - chronic problems.

My friend this is not just a chronic problem. It is the butcheries and domination of Tigreans and Amharas for the last few centuries and non compromising dealings that we southerners faced. Do you know that Amharas were selling southern hametic (Kembta, Hadya, Gumuz, Gambela and Wolayta Slaves up to 1930s. Let me tell you why IBRAHIM feels rage, he is saying to you and himself that Amhara superior ruling regime will not come back again.


MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:
"The rich land of Ethiopia is not Amhara land and it belongs to Oromo. I hope that you are not fooled with the children of settlers who are still dreaming to exploit your land."
QuietOromoEthio said:
First of all, Ethiopia does not have a rich land, it has potential for utilizing it's natural resources and grow economically as a result of it. Ethiopia is barely developed at all, despite the Prime Minister's statistics. I am puzzled by your statement saying 'Ethiopia is not Amhara but Oromo?…………….

Mr QuietOromoEthio :You seem to sympathize with Amharas a lot. How can you deny that the most fertile lands belongs to Oromos and Southern people it is region formerly known Keffa, Illibabour, Wolega, Airisi, Bale, Gamogofa and Gogam which is half Benshangul.
Most of the arable land in Amhara and tigrean region is depleted because of centuries of farming and the expansion of Sahara. In addition there are no major natural resources to in the north. Growing economically is how well you are able to manage and organized academically and skill wise to exploit your resources but it has nothing do with what you already have.

MR.'Ibrahim Shirdon' said:

"I hope that you can see how much the settlers are happy when they read your analys. They are reasoning from their stomach and jumped to your wagan and claimed they are half Oromo and Half Amahra.The settlers do not have the capacity to understand the abovementioned mathematics; therefore, I have to change to 1/4 Italian."

In support to Mr. 'Ibrahim’ here are few notes.
I challenge anyone even though still I want to learn more but the known historical facts from archeological finding and historical resources are the following
1. The original and indigenous true east African are Hamities. Cush people are descendant of hametic people.
2. Cush are the same people as the Nubians the way tigreans and amharas are classified as Habeshas together.
3. Nubians and cu****ic people are the indigenous hamites and today’ Oromos, Somalis, Omotic, Bejas and Kemat/kemet etc
4. Unlike popular belief the Axumite empire and the rest of Ethiopian history is predominantly Hametic incliding lalibela and zaguwe or agew.
5. The Amharas and Tigreans are breed between Some semetic Sabean settlers or Phonentian traders and local hametic people.

You Habesha therefore have to recognize that hamtic people are indigenous and you are decendants of hametic people and settlers of some Lebanese-Phoenician or Oman/Bahrain-Sabean people as well. The question is not how much hametic blood do you have to have to be considered indigenous but it is emphasized on the legal recognition of indigenous people right.


Sara.

Oromo is the richest , Amhara and Tigray are the poorest. That is a fact just scroll and see what I wrote above. Blue nile mostly belongs to Benshagul people not to Amharas. Awash, tekeze and other rivers either belongs to Oromos or southern Hametic people. Amharas are trained culturally to pretend to be brave, inteligent, kind,well behaved, cultured but they are arrogant and inflated with false pride, cowards who historically only know how to use uneducated brave southerners like Defense minster gebreye of king Tewdros ,Bulcha Aba Nefso, and Gobena.

All,
I love it the genie is out of the bottle, the silent majority is beggining to step up, afer long hibernation. Show me any modern day Ethiopian, i will show you he come from mixed tribes. We are the majority, proud of our parents heritage but not dumb enough to tie ourselves to one tribe - tha is such moronic way of thinking (ie Ibrahim S.). Our goal is to eradicate poverty, and build hospitals better people's life. Not X tribe is in charge, or if you come Y tribe everyone in it is good. Please don't stop the silent majority, son's and daughters of Ethipia, lets drawn out the haters/dividers.....lets get ready to forgive for those who are willing to see the light and want to leave in peac and harmony....Tigrians are our brothers, sisters friends, wifes, daugthers girlfriends and the same goes to the Oromos, Ahamr, wulamo, sidama....we are one and the same....our enemies are the haters, the dividers...

Email: mamo@yahoo.com

Senseless killings on the border of Ethiopia and Kenya:

http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=10655

Ibrahim,

You have lost this debate. Lick your wonds and move on. QuietOromoEthio is one heck of a debator. Even VJ, my mentor and role model, seems to tremble underneath the powerful reasonong of QuietOromoEthio.
I too am half Oromo and half Amhara. It adds up to one.

This QuietOromoEthio guy is something. He is evaporating your ethnic politics. I must go on the record, I still like you and feel that I can work with you than I can with Ledetu. This Lidetu guy gives me the creeps. VJ is OK, but once in a while he gets on my nerves when he succumbs to ethnic politics. I would like to see him above the frey.

Mamo Qilo

"How can Ethiopia prosper if it is governed by an ethnically exclusive party?"

What a question! Has Ethiopia, politically, ever been run without ethnocentrism? No! Never! Now when non-amharas wake up and raise issues of self-governace, things mixed up and they face such questions. I think that mentality has no longer a place since 1991, when issues of nations and nationalities have been legalized. Individual cases, where participants on this forum say "I am half this and half that" does not lend any solution to the nations' and natinalities' matter. The fact on the ground refers to identity and that is it.

Email: Jirru@yahoo.com

City: Finfinnee

All,
I love it the genie is out of the bottle, the silent majority is beggining to step up, afer long hibernation. Show me any modern day Ethiopian, i will show you he come from mixed tribes. We are the majority, proud of our parents heritage but not dumb enough to tie ourselves to one tribe - tha is such moronic way of thinking (ie Ibrahim S.). Our goal is to eradicate poverty, and build hospitals better people's life. Not X tribe is in charge, or if you come Y tribe everyone in it is good. Please don't stop the silent majority, son's and daughters of Ethipia, lets drawn out the haters/dividers.....lets get ready to forgive for those who are willing to see the light and want to leave in peac and harmony....Tigrians are our brothers, sisters friends, wifes, daugthers girlfriends and the same goes to the Oromos, Ahamr, wulamo, sidama....we are one and the same....our enemies are the haters, the dividers...
Email: mamo@yahoo.com

Ethiopia,

No Walayita would like to be identified as a "Wulamo" as you put it above. That tells enough of your inner personality -- you are an imposter, in the name of peace you gleam the same colour and that is of the old nefxegna.

Email: Jirru@yahoo.com

City: Finfinnee

In my opinion Individual right has to come before group right in order:
1)For peace,freedom & democracy to florish.
2)To conquer back illetracy & disease.
3)To develop our land & prosper.
I will give you one good example to readers:-
In the current structure of kililization there is lots of artificial walls all over the country.
*Which is obstacle for movement of peaple & capital.
*Bad to make a good & informed decision to invest.
I could have written more about the draw back of medival style woyane poletics,but the above reasen is enough why individual right has to be at the fore front of our struggle.
We are a force for peoce,love,equality & prosperity of all ethiopian people.
We say no to tribalist,extremist & medival thinkink.

Amy
You said "In my opinion Individual right has to come before group right in order:
1)For peace,freedom & democracy to florish."

Amy you can not be more wrong. In North America there was a constitution and individual right was supposed to be respected but that did not stop whiteman to treat black as rats.

You said "2)To conquer back illetracy & disease
3)To develop our land & prosper."
we have to how we are going to live together before
we start other campaigns. If a marriage does not work why worry about how to decorate the house. Fix the relationship first.

I agree with what you said about "kililization there is lots of artificial walls all over the country.
Which is obstacle for movement of peaple & capital.
Bad to make a good & informed decision to invest."
So I suggest, lets talk about issues of nationalities deal with it and get over with it. Turning a blind eye
will not work.

Ideas and people like you are the ones who can set the mind of Our people free. keep putting your thoughts Out. One thing people need to under stand is that "you can't have frredom without confrontation."

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City: Nashville